At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new, not very
busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction station is HUGE.

Why is it so huge? And what are the plans for Shoreditch High Street (or
as i like to call it, Directly Opposite My Office On Commercial Street) -
will the views to the arches and pillars and other quite nice old bits of
railway architecture be maintained, or is the surrounding area going to be
turned into a tower block?

The stretch from Dalston to Shoreditch was oddly reminiscent of being in
New York; one of the elevated bits of ths subway (or the Metro-North,
perhaps) looking down over converted warehouses and so on. The
buildingscape is much more clean and cubic and less blobby and random than
the otherwise comparable stretch of the West Anglia line from Hackney
Downs to Bethnal Green.

I was late for work because of the detour i took to go on it, so i hope
you all appreciate this report!

tom

--
My goal wasn't to make a ton of money. It was to build good computers. --
Woz

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
th.li...
At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new, not very
busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction station is HUGE.

Why is it so huge?

I expect they have planned the platform sizes to allow for the maximum flows
expected when the 16 tph service is running. Because only 8 tph will run
between there and Highbury and Islington, it will be the obvious place for
people to change when going 'southbound' - but may also be encouraged
northbound as well if the smaller stations (for example some of those on the
original ELL) start suffering platform level congestion due to changing
trains?

BTW, can anyone provide a link to a categoric statement on which of the four
sub-services will run through to Highbury, and which will terminate at
Dalston Junction? I see it has come up in the London Reconnections blog
without a quick answer...


And what are the plans for Shoreditch High Street (or as i like to call
it, Directly Opposite My Office On Commercial Street) - will the views to
the arches and pillars and other quite nice old bits of railway
architecture be maintained, or is the surrounding area going to be turned
into a tower block?

Seems it is planned to be submerged under tower blocks eventually.

Paul S

In article i,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new,
not very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction
station is HUGE.

Why is it so huge? And what are the plans for Shoreditch High
Street (or as i like to call it, Directly Opposite My Office On
Commercial Street) - will the views to the arches and pillars and
other quite nice old bits of railway architecture be maintained, or
is the surrounding area going to be turned into a tower block?

The stretch from Dalston to Shoreditch was oddly reminiscent of
being in New York; one of the elevated bits of ths subway (or the
Metro-North, perhaps) looking down over converted warehouses and so
on. The buildingscape is much more clean and cubic and less blobby
and random than the otherwise comparable stretch of the West Anglia
line from Hackney Downs to Bethnal Green.

Have you not been on the District West of Earl's Court? Quite a few
viaducts with elevated running. From Putney Bridge to East Putney is
probably most similar to what you describe, though that viaduct is
narrower, having always been only double track.

I was late for work because of the detour i took to go on it, so i
hope you all appreciate this report!

I've not yet got to go. Too busy with the election. Next week, hopefully!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 5 May, 10:40, wrote:
In article i,



(Tom Anderson) wrote:
At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new,
not very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction
station is HUGE.

Why is it so huge? And what are the plans for Shoreditch High
Street (or as i like to call it, Directly Opposite My Office On
Commercial Street) - will the views to the arches and pillars and
other quite nice old bits of railway architecture be maintained, or
is the surrounding area going to be turned into a tower block?

The stretch from Dalston to Shoreditch was oddly reminiscent of
being in New York; one of the elevated bits of ths subway (or the
Metro-North, perhaps) looking down over converted warehouses and so
on. The buildingscape is much more clean and cubic and less blobby
and random than the otherwise comparable stretch of the West Anglia
line from Hackney Downs to Bethnal Green.

Have you not been on the District West of Earl's Court? Quite a few
viaducts with elevated running. From Putney Bridge to East Putney is
probably most similar to what you describe, though that viaduct is
narrower, having always been only double track.

I was late for work because of the detour i took to go on it, so i
hope you all appreciate this report!

I've not yet got to go. Too busy with the election. Next week, hopefully!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I contributed virtually all of the following pics on Wikipedia:

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On Wed, 5 May 2010, wrote:

In article i,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

The stretch from Dalston to Shoreditch was oddly reminiscent of being
in New York; one of the elevated bits of ths subway (or the
Metro-North, perhaps) looking down over converted warehouses and so on.
The buildingscape is much more clean and cubic and less blobby and
random than the otherwise comparable stretch of the West Anglia line
from Hackney Downs to Bethnal Green.

Have you not been on the District West of Earl's Court?

Yes, now and then.

Quite a few viaducts with elevated running.

Also seen on the Northern north of Golders Green or wherever it is it
comes out of its tunnel. Those both run through low-rise, leafy suburbs,
and feel very London to me. They didn't have the surprising feeling of
blocky urbanism that Haggerston and Hoxton did. This is very much a
subjective impression, though!

From Putney Bridge to East Putney is probably most similar to what you
describe, though that viaduct is narrower, having always been only
double track.

Ah, now that i think i haven't done. I'm not sure i've ever been on the
Wimbledon branch of the District.

tom

--
Gotta treat 'em mean to make 'em scream.

Tom Anderson wrote:
At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new, not
very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction station is
HUGE.

Why is it so huge?


IIRC it's been built with more than one eye on the future
Chelsea-Hackney Crossrail 2 line sharing the same facilities. Obviously
building it big enough in the first place is a good deal easier than
enlarging a too-small station when it's actually in daily use.

Tom

On May 5, 10:03*pm, Tom Barry wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new, not
very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction station is
HUGE.

Why is it so huge?

IIRC it's been built with more than one eye on the future
Chelsea-Hackney Crossrail 2 line sharing the same facilities. *Obviously
building it big enough in the first place is a good deal easier than
enlarging a too-small station when it's actually in daily use.

Tom

Yet they didn't build the bays capable of taking 8-car trains?

Jamie Thompson wrote:
On May 5, 10:03 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
At last!
Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new, not
very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction station is
HUGE.
Why is it so huge?
IIRC it's been built with more than one eye on the future
Chelsea-Hackney Crossrail 2 line sharing the same facilities. Obviously
building it big enough in the first place is a good deal easier than
enlarging a too-small station when it's actually in daily use.

Tom

Yet they didn't build the bays capable of taking 8-car trains?

No, but that's only for ELL trains from the south, the Chelsea-Hackney
stuff would be underground roughly at right-angles from that plans I've
seen.

Tom

On May 5, 10:40*am, wrote:

I've not yet got to go. Too busy with the election. Next week, hopefully!

Election?

Jamie Thompson wrote:
On May 5, 10:03 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
At last!

Bit late to the party, i know, but i went on it. It was very new,
not very busy, the trains were very quiet, and Dalston Junction
station is HUGE.

Why is it so huge?

IIRC it's been built with more than one eye on the future
Chelsea-Hackney Crossrail 2 line sharing the same facilities.
Obviously building it big enough in the first place is a good deal
easier than enlarging a too-small station when it's actually in
daily use.

Tom

Yet they didn't build the bays capable of taking 8-car trains?

That's probably because there are so many other platforms on the original
ELL that cannot easily be extended beyond current size. If they wanted to
use longer trains generally, Dalston would be the least of the problems.

Paul S