On May 11, 7:56*pm, "Willms" wrote:

Am Tue, 11 May 2010 15:12:17 UTC, *schrieb SB
*auf uk.railway :

How is it possible to stop getting tail-gated by dishonest commuters,
down and outs, and other opportunists? Usually I hesitate just after
passing through the gates of a gateline. But invariably some oik -
usually male - rushes past the open gates pretending to use the Oyster
scan - and then deliberately pushes into me or pushes me out of the
way.

* Lambada only happens with ticket barriers. Get rid of the barriers,
and there will no more Lambada.

Oh **** off Lueko...

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

Throw them to the ground!

Very woughly?

Ian

On 11 May, 22:50, "Batman55" wrote:
"SB" wrote in message

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How is it possible to stop getting tail-gated by dishonest commuters,
down and outs, and other opportunists? Usually I hesitate just after
passing through the gates of a gateline. But invariably some oik -
usually male - rushes past the open gates pretending to use the Oyster
scan - and then deliberately pushes into me or pushes me out of the
way. Once I stopped esrly and caught one and he got trapped in the
gates - I walked off. He had to be released by the staff. But usually
the gateline staff don't do anything even when the attempt is so
obvious. But it pi$$es me off - why should I give a free ride to
someone who can't be ar$ed to buy a ticket. Rush hour at major
stations are the worst time. SB

Although I heard this when a crush of people were getting on a train at
Mansion House one evening, it could still work. You just say in a loud voice
"Are you trying to bugger me?"

Down ower way, that would be taken as a come-on.

On 11/05/2010 19:56, Willms wrote:
Am Tue, 11 May 2010 15:12:17 UTC, schrieb
auf uk.railway :

How is it possible to stop getting tail-gated by dishonest commuters,
down and outs, and other opportunists? Usually I hesitate just after
passing through the gates of a gateline. But invariably some oik -
usually male - rushes past the open gates pretending to use the Oyster
scan - and then deliberately pushes into me or pushes me out of the
way.

Lambada only happens with ticket barriers. Get rid of the barriers,
and there will no more Lambada.

How will getting rid of ticket barriers prevent dishonesty?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In uk.railway Ivor The Engine twisted the electrons to say:
On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:56:15 +0200, "Willms"
wrote:
Lambada only happens with ticket barriers. Get rid of the barriers,
and there will no more Lambada.
or revenue.

Didn't someone, some time ago (a few years ago perhaps?), try to suggest
in uk.railway that the reason that the Paris Metro had a higher rate of
fare evasion than the Berlin U-Bahn was entirely due to the Paris Metro
having ticket barriers?
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

On 12/05/2010 19:57, Willms wrote:
Am Wed, 12 May 2010 16:58:01 UTC, schrieb Arthur Figgis
auf uk.railway :

Lambada only happens with ticket barriers. Get rid of the barriers,
and there will no more Lambada.

How will getting rid of ticket barriers prevent dishonesty?

How will keeping (and expanding) ticket barriers prevent dishonesty?

Because with barriers the dishonest need to tailgate others to get out -
and there are ways to reduce this, ways which can be discussed in
newsgroups....

Isn't dishonesty a favored attitude by a ruling ideology which
prescribes the egoistic battle of each against each other?

Aren't ticket barriers just another expression of this ideology
which elates personal greed as the supreme virtue?

Personal greed is expecting other people to pay for your travel.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Wed, 12 May 2010 20:57:19 +0200, "Willms"
wrote:

Aren't ticket barriers just another expression of this ideology
which elates personal greed as the supreme virtue?

No, they're an expression of the view that one should pay for services
one receives, when said services are not on offer free of charge.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

On 13/05/2010 06:58, Willms wrote:
Am Wed, 12 May 2010 19:59:39 UTC, schrieb Arthur Figgis
auf uk.railway :

Aren't ticket barriers just another expression of this ideology
which elates personal greed as the supreme virtue?

Personal greed is expecting other people to pay for your travel.

Personal greed to make a fast buck at the expense of other people is
considered to be the best motive force for the creation of the best of
all possible worlds, for a Brave New World, isn't it? At least in your
Holy Books, right?

My hovercraft is full of eels.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Willms wrote:

Am Wed, 12 May 2010 16:58:01 UTC, schrieb Arthur Figgis
auf uk.railway :

Lambada only happens with ticket barriers. Get rid of the
barriers, and there will no more Lambada.

How will getting rid of ticket barriers prevent dishonesty?

How will keeping (and expanding) ticket barriers prevent dishonesty?


By making it harder to put into practice.

I overheard some men on a train journey a couple of months ago. They
were saying about how great it is that you don't need to pay on trains,
just walk into the station, get the train, walk off at the other end,
no-one ever pays because no-one ever needs to pay, and wouldn't it be
great if all other forms of transport like planes were free too...

Putting barriers up on that line would make free travel a bit harder for
them, since they wouldn't be able to walk in and out of the station
quite so easily.


Isn't dishonesty a favored attitude by a ruling ideology which
prescribes the egoistic battle of each against each other?

No.


Aren't ticket barriers just another expression of this ideology
which elates personal greed as the supreme virtue?

No, their the expression of an ideology which elates _corporate_ greed
as the supreme virtue. The corporations want your money, and want to
rob you of the opportunity to make journeys without paying.

It's a _lack_ of barriers that expresses the victory of personal greed
over corporate greed, and that's sadly happening less and less these
days.

In uk.railway Willms twisted the electrons to say:
Am Wed, 12 May 2010 19:06:28 UTC, schrieb Alistair Gunn
auf uk.railway :
Didn't someone, some time ago (a few years ago perhaps?), try to suggest
in uk.railway that the reason that the Paris Metro had a higher rate of
fare evasion than the Berlin U-Bahn was entirely due to the Paris Metro
having ticket barriers?
I can't recall that, but the gating of the Paris Metro did
apparantly not result in a _lower_ rate of fare dodging than Berlin,
where the network is open accessible (and therefore operated with
lower cost).

But how did the rates of fare evasion compare *before* the gating of the
Paris Metro? Also, did the rate of fare evasion on the Paris Metro
change after the gating and if so in which direction?
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