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Boris on the box
Anyone else see Boris on the local news last night threatening the protesting
motorbikers with not being able to use the bus lanes if they didn't stop the protests? While I think the bikers are whinging about nothing (its only a quid a day FFS) I don't think Boris did himself any favours whatsoever as he came across as rather petty and vindictive. I wonder if Cameron might start moving him out to arms length fairly soon... B2003 |
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Anyone else see Boris on the local news last night threatening the protesting motorbikers with not being able to use the bus lanes if they didn't stop the protests? While I think the bikers are whinging about nothing (its only a quid a day FFS) I don't think Boris did himself any favours whatsoever as he came across as rather petty and vindictive. I wonder if Cameron might start moving him out to arms length fairly soon... Most of the comments to BBC London seemed to favour him -- motorbikes aren't particular popular, even when they're not protesting about a measly £1/day parking charge. At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:42:21 +0100
"Recliner" wrote: measly £1/day parking charge. At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Well thats true. Ken still hasn't had the balls to apologise for that remark AFAIK. B2003 |
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On 4 June, 11:46, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:42:21 +0100 "Recliner" wrote: measly £1/day parking charge. *At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Well thats true. Ken still hasn't had the balls to apologise for that remark AFAIK. No, it isn't true. Well, he may have made drunken outbursts, but the "anti-semitic" accusation was rather contrived even if one didn't know the character. Actually knowing his work makes it totally ridiculous. It was Boris, not Ken, who scuppered the anti-racist festival in London and has made dubious racial remarks. |
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On 4 June, 11:46, wrote: On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:42:21 +0100 "Recliner" wrote: measly £1/day parking charge. At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Well thats true. Ken still hasn't had the balls to apologise for that remark AFAIK. No, it isn't true. Well, he may have made drunken outbursts, but the "anti-semitic" accusation was rather contrived even if one didn't know the character. Actually knowing his work makes it totally ridiculous. It was Boris, not Ken, who scuppered the anti-racist festival in London and has made dubious racial remarks. I agree that Ken isn't really anti-semitic, but his virulent hatred of the Daily Mail/Evening Standard meant that he rather lost control of what he said when drunk (which seemed to happen quite often), leaving himself wide open to such criticism. He was also keen on some rather rum, not to say dangerous, characters. |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
MIG wrote: No, it isn't true. Well, he may have made drunken outbursts, but the "anti-semitic" accusation was rather contrived even if one didn't know the character. Actually knowing his work makes it totally Possibly, but it was still an unpleasent and OTT remark. ridiculous. It was Boris, not Ken, who scuppered the anti-racist festival in London Thank god. The unemployed crusty brigade and militant left have enough excuses for causing a nuisance without giving them another one. And what would it achieve anyway? Would all the BNP members watching that load of scruffy oiks on TV suddenly see the error of their ways, hand in their memberships and go buy Mandela T-shirts? Do me a favour. B2003 |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIG wrote: No, it isn't true. Well, he may have made drunken outbursts, but the "anti-semitic" accusation was rather contrived even if one didn't know the character. Actually knowing his work makes it totally Possibly, but it was still an unpleasent and OTT remark. ridiculous. It was Boris, not Ken, who scuppered the anti-racist festival in London Thank god. The unemployed crusty brigade and militant left have enough excuses for causing a nuisance without giving them another one. And what would it achieve anyway? Would all the BNP members watching that load of scruffy oiks on TV suddenly see the error of their ways, hand in their memberships and go buy Mandela T-shirts? Do me a favour. Boltar -- you and I agree again! |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:30:48 +0100
"Recliner" wrote: Boltar -- you and I agree again! Doctors are developing a cure even as we speak, hold on in there! B2003 |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:30:48 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote: wrote in message On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIG wrote: No, it isn't true. Well, he may have made drunken outbursts, but the "anti-semitic" accusation was rather contrived even if one didn't know the character. Actually knowing his work makes it totally Possibly, but it was still an unpleasent and OTT remark. ridiculous. It was Boris, not Ken, who scuppered the anti-racist festival in London Thank god. The unemployed crusty brigade and militant left have enough excuses for causing a nuisance without giving them another one. And what would it achieve anyway? Would all the BNP members watching that load of scruffy oiks on TV suddenly see the error of their ways, hand in their memberships and go buy Mandela T-shirts? Do me a favour. Boltar -- you and I agree again! You are Boltar's dad and ICMFP. ;-) |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT)
MIG wrote: It's more to do with what would be left of music and entertainment if it was left to straight, white men. I spose we'd still have the beatles, but not so many of their influences ... Spare us your self hating nonsense. I suppose if it was left to "straight white men" we wouldn't have cRap, R&B, Garage, Spike Jonze, Graham Norton and Lenny Henry. Oh dear, what a tragic loss to the world of entertainment that would be. How would we cope just with all the thousands of rock & dance bands, composers, musicians, A list directors and actors who were left? It would be tough... B2003 |
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On 4 June, 15:06, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) MIG wrote: It's more to do with what would be left of music and entertainment if it was left to straight, white men. *I spose we'd still have the beatles, but not so many of their influences ... Spare us your self hating nonsense. I suppose if it was left to "straight white men" we wouldn't have cRap, R&B, Garage, Spike Jonze, Graham Norton and Lenny Henry. Oh dear, what a tragic loss to the world of entertainment that would be. How would we cope just with all the thousands of rock & dance bands, composers, musicians, A list directors and actors who were left? It would be tough.... I'm not arguing about WHICH race, gender or sexual orientation entertainment should be restricted to. The whole idea of restricting anything according to prejudice is the opposite of creativity; that's me point. |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:43:53 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote: In message , Recliner writes At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Interested to hear your definition of the term "often"? Only once. But in a right winger's rant against a left-wing former Mayor, it becomes pluralised. I think the accusation arose because a certain journalist on the London Evening Standard who was known to be virulently anti-Livingstone persistently provoked Ken on successive days. Ken asked why the journalist was hounding him on a daily basis - which the journalist freely admitted he was - and the reply was that he was only doing what he had been told to do by his bosses (Associated Newspapers). Ken's response was something along the lines of "So you are only following orders? The concentration camp guards used that excuse". The journalist happened to be of Jewish descent, and decided to carefully spin Ken's remarks in order to accuse Ken of being anti-Semitic. But there was not the slightest hint of anti-Semitism in anything Ken had said. The journalist was Oliver Finegold. Having been wound up by Finegold, the Board of Deputies of British Jews made a complaint. It went to the Adjudication Panel for England (who the h... ?) and they grossly over-reacted, giving Ken a month's suspension from his position as Mayor. It was such an over-reaction that the Board of Deputies of British Jews were extremely embarrassed. They had only wanted an apology. ;-) |
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
In message , Recliner writes At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Interested to hear your definition of the term "often"? Remember these stories (OK, reported by the Daily Mail and ES)? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509257/Channel-4-film-attacks-Ken-Livingstones-astonishing-shocking-drinking-habits.html http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-437764-drunken-ken-and-my-15ft-plunge.do |
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:10:47 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote: "Ian Jelf" wrote in message In message , Recliner writes At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Interested to hear your definition of the term "often"? Remember these stories (OK, reported by the Daily Mail and ES)? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509257/Channel-4-film-attacks-Ken-Livingstones-astonishing-shocking-drinking-habits.html http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-437764-drunken-ken-and-my-15ft-plunge.do Good grief! A politician who drinks alcohol! This is completely unprecedented! © Associated Newspapers 2010 I note there is absolutely no mention of any anti-Semitism. Neither is there mention of the repeated hounding and provocation of Mr Livingstone by an employee or employees of Associated Newspapers. Perhaps there should be a variant of Godwin's Law for whenever anyone quotes the Daily Mail or Evening Standard on newsgroups? |
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:10:47 +0100, "Recliner" wrote: "Ian Jelf" wrote in message In message , Recliner writes At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Interested to hear your definition of the term "often"? Remember these stories (OK, reported by the Daily Mail and ES)? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509257/Channel-4-film-attacks-Ken-Livingstones-astonishing-shocking-drinking-habits.html http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-437764-drunken-ken-and-my-15ft-plunge.do Good grief! A politician who drinks alcohol! This is completely unprecedented! ? Associated Newspapers 2010 I note there is absolutely no mention of any anti-Semitism. Neither is there mention of the repeated hounding and provocation of Mr Livingstone by an employee or employees of Associated Newspapers. Perhaps there should be a variant of Godwin's Law for whenever anyone quotes the Daily Mail or Evening Standard on newsgroups? Nah, just hanging. It's the only language they understand. tom -- The trouble with eating German cuisine is that 3 days later, you are hungry again! -- Graham, uk.food+drink.misc |
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wrote in message Anyone else see Boris on the local news last night threatening the protesting motorbikers with not being able to use the bus lanes if they didn't stop the protests? While I think the bikers are whinging about nothing (its only a quid a day FFS) I don't think Boris did himself any favours whatsoever as he came across as rather petty and vindictive. I wonder if Cameron might start moving him out to arms length fairly soon... Most of the comments to BBC London seemed to favour him -- motorbikes aren't particular popular, even when they're not protesting about a measly £1/day parking charge. At least Boris was sober and sensible when he made his verbal attack; Ken was filmed often enough making drunken outbursts that were hard to support (eg, anti-semitic). Care to back up something that looks rather libellous with some actual facts? Speaking as someone of Jewish descent who voted for Ken three times I've never taken the anti-Semitic thing as being remotely true*, rather it's another in a long line in groundless smears from the part of the political spectrum that shouts 'anti-Semitism!' every time someone points out obvious facts such as that Israel is run by barking mad psychopaths. Actually, anyone wanting film of a drunken Mayor making a fool of himself is advised to seek out the footage of Boris at last year's City Hall reception for London Pride (the LGBT festival, not the beer, although it's possible Boris got confused). As for the bikers - Boris has previously said there'll be a decision based on an independent report into the effect of the bus lane trial, so if he's now changing his mind in favour of making transport policy decisions based on political patronage to people who please him that's a retrograde step in my book, and worth noting as a footnote to his real character. Tom * A couple of examples: Nicky Gavron, Ken's long-term deputy Mayor, is of much the same origins as my Mum, daughter of a German Jewish refugee mother. He was also mates with the Miliband brothers' father Ralph, also a Jewish refugee from Europe. Plenty of Marxist Jews around left-wing London in the old days, of course, so anti-Semitism isn't really a great position to adopt for ambitious left wing London politicians. If you want real anti-Semites try the old-school Tory right, fundamentalist US Christians or the BNP. |
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