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Terminating in a through platform then returning "wrong direction"
Are there ever occasions during planned or unplanned service
disruption where an LU train heading say "eastbound" will require to finish its journey in the "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" on the "eastbound" line in order to access a crossover to the "westbound" line? -- gordon |
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Terminating in a through platform then returning "wrong direction"
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, " writes On the Piccadilly line at least that can happen at Oakwood, Kings Cross, Hyde Park Corner, Hammersmith, Northfields, Hounslow Central, Hatton Cross, Heathrow T123, South Harrow and Rayners Lane. Are there ever occasions during planned or unplanned service disruption where an LU train heading say "eastbound" will require to finish its journey in the "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" on the "eastbound" line in order to access a crossover to the "westbound" line? -- gordon -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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District + H&C (my patch)...cont.:
Bromley-by-Bow....EW Plaistow (disregarding Bay road)...EW Dagenham East (disregarding Bay road)... EW Hornchurch.....EW Embankment (District) - if turned west to east. South Ken (District) - if turned west to east. West Ken (District) - if turned east to west. High Street Ken (Circle) - if turned outer rail to inner rail Highbury & Islington - if turning south to north. *Ditto for Warren Street. Piccadilly Circus (Bakerloo) - if turning south to north. Charing Cross (Northern) - if turning south to north Paddington (Bakerloo) if turning south to north. I'm sure there are many. many more on the LU network. *I've done the Victoria Line ones and I think Picc Circus on the Bakerloo line. I don't recall doing the others although many of them have been scheduled during engineering works. -- Paul C |
Terminating in a through platform then returning "wrongdirection"
On 13 June, 17:51, explorette wrote:
District + H&C (my patch)...cont.: Bromley-by-Bow....EW Plaistow (disregarding Bay road)...EW Dagenham East (disregarding Bay road)... EW Hornchurch.....EW Embankment (District) - if turned west to east. South Ken (District) - if turned west to east. West Ken (District) - if turned east to west. High Street Ken (Circle) - if turned outer rail to inner rail Highbury & Islington - if turning south to north. *Ditto for Warren Street. Piccadilly Circus (Bakerloo) - if turning south to north. Charing Cross (Northern) - if turning south to north Paddington (Bakerloo) if turning south to north. I'm sure there are many. many more on the LU network. *I've done the Victoria Line ones and I think Picc Circus on the Bakerloo line. I don't recall doing the others although many of them have been scheduled during engineering works. -- Paul C- For some reason I interpreted the question to mean places where the same station could be used to reverse trains in opposite directions at the same time, but not continuing through for some reason. It was done at Island Gardens on the DLR when one track at a time was being worked on at Cutty Sark, but that was a very special arrangement. There are a few places on the Central where it ought to be possible: North Acton, White City, Leytonstone, Woodford, Hainault (of course). On the Northern, I think Golders Green. On the Piccadilly, Arnos Grove. These are all places were trains do terminate sometimes, but not usually in both directions. |
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, MIG writes On the Northern, I think Golders Green. On the Piccadilly, Arnos Grove. Ah but there are 3 roads at Arnos. The OP asked about: "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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On 13 June, 20:32, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , MIG writes On the Northern, I think Golders Green. *On the Piccadilly, Arnos Grove. Ah but there are 3 roads at Arnos. *The OP asked about: "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" OK; if it's down to stations with only two through tracks that could reverse trains in opposite directions at the same time, then I don't suppose there are many. It might come down to just Woodford then (there's a bay platform too, but let's assume it's being used for stabling and isn't available). |
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Terminating in a through platform then returning "wrongdirection"
On 13 June, 22:09, Barry Salter wrote:
On 13/06/2010 16:00, wrote: Are there ever occasions during planned or unplanned service disruption where an LU *train heading say "eastbound" will require to finish its journey in the "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" on the "eastbound" line in order to access a crossover to the "westbound" line? I've "done" such a move at King's Cross St. Pancras (Met) in the past few years. Westbound trains terminating in the Westbound platform, then gaining the Eastbound line via a crossover just off the East end of the platform. If memory serves, it's also possible to have a "wrong road" move from the Eastbound platform at Moorgate (Met), though I'm not sure whether that counts for the purposes of your question, given the two bay platforms. There is a trailing crossover there. Only Woodford seems to have trailing crossovers at both ends, although I suppose Lambeth North and maybe Hatton Cross or something that way have a trailing crossover before the next station in both directions. |
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, MIG writes I've "done" such a move at King's Cross St. Pancras (Met) in the past few years. Westbound trains terminating in the Westbound platform, then gaining the Eastbound line via a crossover just off the East end of the platform. If memory serves, it's also possible to have a "wrong road" move from the Eastbound platform at Moorgate (Met), though I'm not sure whether that counts for the purposes of your question, given the two bay platforms. There is a trailing crossover there. Only Woodford seems to have trailing crossovers at both ends, although I suppose Lambeth North and maybe Hatton Cross or something that way have a trailing crossover before the next station in both directions. Hatton Cross only has crossovers off the east end of the platforms but you can be routed into either platform to reverse back east. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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Terminating in a through platform then returning "wrong direction"
"dB" wrote wrote: Are there ever occasions during planned or unplanned service disruption where an LU train heading say "eastbound" will require to finish its journey in the "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" on the "eastbound" line in order to access a crossover to the "westbound" line? I've seen it happen a couple of times at Northolt on the Central line, where a westbound train is reversed without going into the siding. I don't know why they don't do it more often, as it does speed up the process. Interesting. I've never done this move at Northolt (or Oakwood, or Hornchurch) but I think I've done just about all the others mentioned in this thread. Anyone interested in traversing rare crossovers - both on LU and on the national network - needs to read my weekly 'PMO' report on the Gensheet Yahoo! Group. Royal Victoria crossover (DLR) was used last weekend, I think for the first planned time, by DLR trains reversing at Custom House. |
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"John Salmon" wrote in message ... "dB" wrote wrote: Are there ever occasions during planned or unplanned service disruption where an LU train heading say "eastbound" will require to finish its journey in the "eastbound" platform of a two-platform station, pick-up intending "westbound" passengers for the next departure whilst still on the "eastbound" platform then head "westbound" on the "eastbound" line in order to access a crossover to the "westbound" line? I've seen it happen a couple of times at Northolt on the Central line, where a westbound train is reversed without going into the siding. I don't know why they don't do it more often, as it does speed up the process. Interesting. I've never done this move at Northolt (or Oakwood, or Hornchurch) but I think I've done just about all the others mentioned in this thread. Anyone interested in traversing rare crossovers - both on LU and on the national network - needs to read my weekly 'PMO' report on the Gensheet Yahoo! Group. Royal Victoria crossover (DLR) was used last weekend, I think for the first planned time, by DLR trains reversing at Custom House. Don't think it's been used lately, but back in the days when I sat behind a 'andle rather than a desk, we had a night turn that came out of Northfields, ran down to West Ken then reversed back east to west to run to the airport and back up to Arnos for relief. As far as I know the facility to do the West Ken reverse is still there, but I don't think it's on the (Piccadilly) T/Ops road training any more. -- Cheers, Steve. Change jealous to sad to reply. |
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On Jun 14, 8:12*am, dB wrote:
I've seen it happen a couple of times at Northolt on the Central line, where a westbound train is reversed without going into the siding. I don't know why they don't do it more often, as it does speed up the process. There is one daily booked Northolt reverser that does exactly that - its a so called ''rusty rail'' move to keep things activated. If you really wish to know I could look it up, i can't recall the precise details. I know it is in the current WTT64 and in the forthcoming WTT65 is its existence produced odd results on serious work related Central Line simulations I was running ((problem being the simulator not set up for moves like this.)) -- Nick |
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In message MWQSn.79010$oi7.37339@hurricane, Steve Dulieu
writes Don't think it's been used lately, but back in the days when I sat behind a 'andle rather than a desk, we had a night turn that came out of Northfields, ran down to West Ken then reversed back east to west to run to the airport and back up to Arnos for relief. As far as I know the facility to do the West Ken reverse is still there, but I don't think it's on the (Piccadilly) T/Ops road training any more. It was 'talked through' 8 years ago at least. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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