On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Basil Jet wrote:

On 17/06/2010 14:50, Paul wrote:

The metro in Lille is completely automatic, but is monitored by CCTV at
every station.

What stops the monitor monitors from going on strike every time the
World Cup is on?

The fact that football isn't terribly popular in India yet. Where a job
is done over a wire, it can be offshored!

tom

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On 17/06/2010 13:18, MIG wrote:
On 17 June, 11:32, wrote:
On 17 June, 11:00, "Ian wrote:

"Mizter wrote in message

...

I suspect Bob Crow's analysis - that this is a bit of kite-flying - is
probably on the money.

How could we ever have driverless trains? There'd be no one to shut the
doors at Kennington just as you're rushing to change trains from the Bank to
Charing Cross platform.

Ian

Or at Finsbury Park when you want to change from the Piccadilly line
to the Victoria line. Mind you I am sure that the line controllers
could achieve the same with judicious use of CCTV cameras.

Bottom line is, you can't very well have staffless (which is what it
really means) trains without platform edge doors, although I am not
entirely certain of their efficacy.

An anorak string with a large bobble, of the kind that got a boy
killed in the Piccadilly a few years ago, might be able to get trapped
between both the train doors and the platform doors without detection,
although a person would presumably just be slammed into the latter
rather than dragged under the train.

But they have them in Vancouver.

On 17/06/2010 13:18, MIG wrote:
On 17 June, 11:32, wrote:
On 17 June, 11:00, "Ian wrote:

"Mizter wrote in message

...

I suspect Bob Crow's analysis - that this is a bit of kite-flying - is
probably on the money.

How could we ever have driverless trains? There'd be no one to shut the
doors at Kennington just as you're rushing to change trains from the Bank to
Charing Cross platform.

Ian

Or at Finsbury Park when you want to change from the Piccadilly line
to the Victoria line. Mind you I am sure that the line controllers
could achieve the same with judicious use of CCTV cameras.

Bottom line is, you can't very well have staffless (which is what it
really means) trains without platform edge doors, although I am not
entirely certain of their efficacy.

An anorak string with a large bobble, of the kind that got a boy
killed in the Piccadilly a few years ago, might be able to get trapped
between both the train doors and the platform doors without detection,
although a person would presumably just be slammed into the latter
rather than dragged under the train.
I think Detroit as well.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:28:03 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
The problem with the deep level tube is that evacuation is difficult. You
need a member of staff around.

Do you really? I am struggling to think of an occasion when a driver on
his / her own have evacuated passengers down a tunnel with no support
from staff from stations / those who been brought in to manage an

The point is that if he had to he probably could. How long will it take
station staff to walk to the train compared to the driver already being there?

Even with the drive around we still had the situation of people stuck on
a central line train in mid summer for hours a few years back. Quite what the
morons in charge were thinking instead of just leading the passengers off is a
mystery that will probably remain unsolved.

Depending on how well SBS Transit managed such an event may colour my
view about completely unstaffed systems. In reality it's not a lot
different to getting in a lift - they're unstaffed and take you from one
point to another. Most people are completely unphased by using a lift.

And how long do most people spend in a lift? 30 seconds to go maybe 100 metres?
Its somewhat different.

Interesting that you want a driver on the train just in case and yet you
routinely condemn everyone who works for LUL as thick, useless, overpaid
and workshy. Why would you want a person in a train in a safety

Given how long my wife was delayed on the central line yesterday because
of a "signal failure" at shepherds bush that opinion hasn't changed.

question btw - there does appear to be a slight glimmer of double
standards here which is most unusual. You're usually consistently
negative and obnoxious about LUL.

When you have a screw and no tools, even a hammer would be better than nothing.

B2003

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
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On 17/06/2010 13:18, MIG wrote:

Bottom line is, you can't very well have staffless (which is what it
really means) trains without platform edge doors, although I am not
entirely certain of their efficacy.

Copenhagen

only at the "open air" stations

tim

On 18/06/2010 12:38, tim.... wrote:
"Arthur wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/06/2010 13:18, MIG wrote:

Bottom line is, you can't very well have staffless (which is what it
really means) trains without platform edge doors, although I am not
entirely certain of their efficacy.

Copenhagen

only at the "open air" stations

tim


What's the difference?

wrote in message
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On 18/06/2010 12:38, tim.... wrote:
"Arthur wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/06/2010 13:18, MIG wrote:

Bottom line is, you can't very well have staffless (which is what it
really means) trains without platform edge doors, although I am not
entirely certain of their efficacy.

Copenhagen

only at the "open air" stations

tim


What's the difference?

Dunno,

But ISTM that if you're using Copenhagen as a comparison for the Victoria
line (which I assume would be the easiest to convert as it already has
trains which can drive themselves) then only a comparison with the
underground stations is valid.

tim

In message
,
Mizter T wrote:

All trains on the London Underground should be driverless, according
to the Conservative group on the London Assembly.

I suspect Bob Crow's analysis - that this is a bit of kite-flying - is
probably on the money.

The new signalling being designed for the Piccadilly Line involved
driverless trains.

If a train needed to be driven manually because of a problem, it would
be driven by someone sitting in the control centre looking at the view
from a camera mounted at the front of the train.

I don't know the current state of this project - it's been a couple of
years since I talked with my source on this.

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