Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks
Ross Lydall
25.06.10

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...three-weeks.do

Passengers on the Circle line face more upheaval in the summer during
a three-week part-closure.

Building work at Paddington station for Crossrail means Hammersmith
and City platforms will be closed for safety reasons.

Hammersmith and City and Circle line services, [the latter of which]
which were extended to Hammersmith in December, will be suspended
between Hammersmith and Edgware Road from July 24 to August 15.

This will return the Circle line, which carries 218,000 passengers on
weekdays, back to its old layout of a full circle, clockwise and
counter-clockwise, rather than the "lasso line" that saw trains
terminate at Edgware Road.

Hammersmith and City services will operate only between Edgware Road
and Whitechapel rather than to Barking. Rail replacement services will
operate between Hammersmith and Edgware Road. The [separate]
Piccadilly [and District] line[s] will still serve Hammersmith.

The Crossrail works at Paddington involve removing a disused taxi ramp
and canopy above the Hammersmith and City platforms. It is not safe to
carry out the work while trains run below. TfL says it will take
advantage of the closure to carry out essential upgrades that would
otherwise have required weekend closures.

The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air-
conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and
London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in
weeks.

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Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met.
and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy
enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the
underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about
lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.?

=========

On 26 June, 09:51, CJB wrote:
Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks
Ross Lydall
25.06.10

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-crossrail-wor...

Passengers on the Circle line face more upheaval in the summer during
a three-week part-closure.

Building work at Paddington station for Crossrail means Hammersmith
and City platforms will be closed for safety reasons.

Hammersmith and City and Circle line services, [the latter of which]
which were extended to Hammersmith in December, will be suspended
between Hammersmith and Edgware Road from July 24 to August 15.

This will return the Circle line, which carries 218,000 passengers on
weekdays, back to its old layout of a full circle, clockwise and
counter-clockwise, rather than the "lasso line" that saw trains
terminate at Edgware Road.

Hammersmith and City services will operate only between Edgware Road
and Whitechapel rather than to Barking. Rail replacement services will
operate between Hammersmith and Edgware Road. The [separate]
Piccadilly [and District] line[s] will still serve Hammersmith.

The Crossrail works at Paddington involve removing a disused taxi ramp
and canopy above the Hammersmith and City platforms. It is not safe to
carry out the work while trains run below. TfL says it will take
advantage of the closure to carry out essential upgrades that would
otherwise have required weekend closures.

The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air-
conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and
London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in
weeks.

=========

Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met.
and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy
enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the
underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about
lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.?

=========

If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner.

They have merged two snippets into one I expect.

On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote:


If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner.

They have merged two snippets into one I expect.

Indeed complete nonsense! H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock
will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock

In message
, CJB
writes

The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air-
conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and
London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in
weeks.

=========

Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met.
and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy
enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the
underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about
lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.?

Seven-car trains aren't scheduled to start appearing on the H&C until
next year.
--
Paul Terry

On Jun 26, 9:51*am, CJB wrote:
Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks
Ross Lydall
25.06.10

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-crossrail-wor...

Passengers on the Circle line face more upheaval in the summer during
a three-week part-closure.

Building work at Paddington station for Crossrail means Hammersmith
and City platforms will be closed for safety reasons.

Hammersmith and City and Circle line services, [the latter of which]
which were extended to Hammersmith in December, will be suspended
between Hammersmith and Edgware Road from July 24 to August 15.

This will return the Circle line, which carries 218,000 passengers on
weekdays, back to its old layout of a full circle, clockwise and
counter-clockwise, rather than the "lasso line" that saw trains
terminate at Edgware Road.

Hammersmith and City services will operate only between Edgware Road
and Whitechapel rather than to Barking. Rail replacement services will
operate between Hammersmith and Edgware Road. The [separate]
Piccadilly [and District] line[s] will still serve Hammersmith.

The Crossrail works at Paddington involve removing a disused taxi ramp
and canopy above the Hammersmith and City platforms. It is not safe to
carry out the work while trains run below. TfL says it will take
advantage of the closure to carry out essential upgrades that would
otherwise have required weekend closures.

The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air-
conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and
London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in
weeks.

=========

Does this last mean the new ELL cattle trains are coming to all Met.
and H&C lines? Being longer will they fit at all stations? Its easy
enough to lengthen Paddington H&C platforms, but what about the
underground stations like Edgeware Road etc? And what about
lengthening the stations between Hammersmith and Paddington H&C.?

=========

The sub-surface lines new stock, the S-stock, is not the same as the
London Overground stock. The Circle, District and H&C line trains (7
cars each) will have a similar internal layout to the LO trains, but
the Metropolitan units (8 cars each) will still have some transverse
seats to keep the Amersham commuters happy.

Edgware Road platforms don't need much work to fit the new trains, but
most of the stations from Paddington - High Street Kensington do and
selective door opening may be needed. Hammersmith needs a lot of work
to get the new trains to fit, but most of the stations inbetween
Paddington and Hammersmith don't offer so much challenge.

CJB wrote on 26 June 2010 09:51:03 ...
Crossrail work closes section of Circle line for three weeks
Ross Lydall
25.06.10

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...three-weeks.do
[snip]
The work includes platform lengthening to accommodate new air-
conditioned trains. They are in service on the East London line and
London Overground, and will start running on the Metropolitan line in
weeks.

Ross Lydall is, I think, the Standard's local government "expert", but
quite often writes on transport matters. You'd think he would realise
by now that (1) the ELL is part of London Overground, and (2) their
trains are not the same as the S-stock to be introduced on LU
sub-surface lines.

But the Standard's transport correspondent, Dick Murray, is no better.
Earlier this week he wrote that Tube Lines was responsible for the
infrastructure of the District, Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines instead of
Jubilee, Northern and Piccadilly.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On 26/06/2010 10:22, jon b wrote:
On 26 June, 10:09, wrote:


If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner.

They have merged two snippets into one I expect.

Indeed complete nonsense! H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock
will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock

AIUI, they will first start to operate on the Met later this year. H&C,
District and Circle lines will only seem them in about 2013 and in a
somewhat modified form.

I wonder if they will be as difficult to find later this as the '09
stock on the Victoria Line.

On Jun 26, 10:22*am, jon b wrote:

On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote:

If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner.

They have merged two snippets into one I expect.

Indeed complete nonsense! *H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock
will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock

It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London
Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock -
there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're
rather different trains.

On

The S Stock ran for the first time yesterday on the Met during traffic
hours without a possession being needed. *This will carry on over the
next few weeks as preparations continue for their introduction on Met
services.

--
Paul C

I am surprised that this is the case
I came back from a meeting in lLondon on Monday 14 th Jume about 11.30
pm on a fast Amersham which went to HOTH platform 1
sitting in Platform 3 was definatly " Tim O Toole " full of weights
and laptops and men in orange high wiz bombardier jackets

How did it get there in traffic hours if yesterday was the first
time ???

HTH Phil

On Jun 26, 4:38*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:22*am, jon b wrote:

On 26 June, 10:09, MIG wrote:

If it isn't complete nonsense, I'll eat my dinner.

They have merged two snippets into one I expect.

Indeed complete nonsense! *H&C / Met / District / Circle line stock
will be replaced with S stock, starting from later this year -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S_Stock

It's just confusion between the new class 378s (as used by London
Overground on the NLL, WLL and ELL) and the upcoming LU S-stock -
there are a fair number of similarities, though ultimately they're
rather different trains.

It surprises me that TfL could not come up with a common design for
Overground and sub-surface stock.