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[original thread on uk.railway] On Jun 27, 12:34 am, Josie wrote: Can I have a ticket to Loogahgbaroogah? http://notalwaysright.com/theyll-nev...ive-welsh/5582 I year or two ago on a busy Sunday afternoon I came across two Polish guys at the bottom of the escalators in Camden Town tube station quizzing two puzzled looking LU employees as to how they could get to "Ladbroke Junction" - no such place they were saying, there's Ladbroke Grove but not Ladbroke Junction, but the Poles insisted there *was* a Ladbroke Junction station because they lived there! Having overheard this whilst deciphering from the displays which platform I should head for (those au fait with Camden Town will understand), I scratched my head to try and work out where they were going - they continued to protest that Ladbroke Junction was very real, whilst the LU chaps remained politely adamant that there was no such place. Eventually I clocked it - they wanted Loughborough Junction! Evidently no-one had told them, and they hadn't picked up on, the correct way to pronounce the name of the place they lived in - one thing I would certainly recommend be on the agenda when moving to a new area, even temporarily! Given the uncertainty over whether or not the Thameslink service was running, we deemed to direct them to Elephant & Castle from which they could easily get a bus were there no trains. But I'm not entirely sure that we adequately impressed on them how to pronounce it properly, and I'm not entirely convinced they didn't just think that for these two transport employees and this further interested gent, this "Ladbroke Junction" simply wasn't really on their radar. True story. |
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On 27 June, 07:51, Mizter T wrote:
[x-posted to uk.transport.london] [original thread on uk.railway] On Jun 27, 12:34 am, Josie wrote: Can I have a ticket to Loogahgbaroogah? http://notalwaysright.com/theyll-nev...ive-welsh/5582 I year or two ago on a busy Sunday afternoon I came across two Polish guys at the bottom of the escalators in Camden Town tube station quizzing two puzzled looking LU employees as to how they could get to "Ladbroke Junction" - no such place they were saying, there's Ladbroke Grove but not Ladbroke Junction, but the Poles insisted there *was* a Ladbroke Junction station because they lived there! Having overheard this whilst deciphering from the displays which platform I should head for (those au fait with Camden Town will understand), I scratched my head to try and work out where they were going - they continued to protest that Ladbroke Junction was very real, whilst the LU chaps remained politely adamant that there was no such place. Eventually I clocked it - they wanted Loughborough Junction! Evidently no-one had told them, and they hadn't picked up on, the correct way to pronounce the name of the place they lived in - one thing I would certainly recommend be on the agenda when moving to a new area, even temporarily! Given the uncertainty over whether or not the Thameslink service was running, we deemed to direct them to Elephant & Castle from which they could easily get a bus were there no trains. But I'm not entirely sure that we adequately impressed on them how to pronounce it properly, and I'm not entirely convinced they didn't just think that for these two transport employees and this further interested gent, this "Ladbroke Junction" simply wasn't really on their radar. True story. Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Having learned about Greenwich and feeling clever, somone wanting to go a bit further east did ask for "Grinnith". This was long before a certain shopping metropolis had opened there. |
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MIG wrote:
Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) |
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On 27/06/2010 08:13, MIG wrote:
On 27 June, 07:51, Mizter wrote: [x-posted to uk.transport.london] [original thread on uk.railway] On Jun 27, 12:34 am, wrote: Can I have a ticket to Loogahgbaroogah? http://notalwaysright.com/theyll-nev...ive-welsh/5582 I year or two ago on a busy Sunday afternoon I came across two Polish guys at the bottom of the escalators in Camden Town tube station quizzing two puzzled looking LU employees as to how they could get to "Ladbroke Junction" - no such place they were saying, there's Ladbroke Grove but not Ladbroke Junction, but the Poles insisted there *was* a Ladbroke Junction station because they lived there! Having overheard this whilst deciphering from the displays which platform I should head for (those au fait with Camden Town will understand), I scratched my head to try and work out where they were going - they continued to protest that Ladbroke Junction was very real, whilst the LU chaps remained politely adamant that there was no such place. Eventually I clocked it - they wanted Loughborough Junction! Evidently no-one had told them, and they hadn't picked up on, the correct way to pronounce the name of the place they lived in - one thing I would certainly recommend be on the agenda when moving to a new area, even temporarily! Given the uncertainty over whether or not the Thameslink service was running, we deemed to direct them to Elephant& Castle from which they could easily get a bus were there no trains. But I'm not entirely sure that we adequately impressed on them how to pronounce it properly, and I'm not entirely convinced they didn't just think that for these two transport employees and this further interested gent, this "Ladbroke Junction" simply wasn't really on their radar. True story. Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Having learned about Greenwich and feeling clever, somone wanting to go a bit further east did ask for "Grinnith". This is known as "hypercorrection". |
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On 27 June, 12:44, Chris Tolley (ukonline
really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. I am not sure what to make of the length limit. Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. |
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"MIG" wrote in message ... On 27 June, 12:44, Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. I am not sure what to make of the length limit. Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. If it's more than 15 letters it can't be entered on the board anyway. Overgeneralisation is 18 letters. Unless you are playing Super Scrabble, I have checked and it is invalid. |
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On 27 June, 19:44, "Steve" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message ... On 27 June, 12:44, Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. *I am not sure what to make of the length limit. *Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? *Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. If it's more than 15 letters it can't be entered on the board anyway. Overgeneralisation is 18 letters. Unless you are playing Super Scrabble, I have checked and it is invalid. Duh. As a last resort, consider the bleedin obvious. Meantime, I am sure I already mentioned the pronunciation reported to me by someone I believe, by a tourist wanting to go to Inga-testony. (The implausible bit is that someone wanted to go there.) |
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On Jun 27, 8:13*am, MIG wrote:
Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. *Having learned about Greenwich and feeling clever, somone wanting to go a bit further east did ask for "Grinnith". *This was long before a certain shopping metropolis had opened there. Indeed. Can I have a return from Blox'ich via Ips'ich to Nor-wich, please? |
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"MIG" wrote Meantime, I am sure I already mentioned the pronunciation reported to me by someone I believe, by a tourist wanting to go to Inga-testony. Bill Hayles, formerly of this parish, recounted the time when he was booking office clerk at St John's and tried to sell a ticket to Yeovil to someone who wanted to go to Oval. Peter |
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On 27/06/2010 21:06, Ian Jelf wrote:
Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? -- Josie Reverse 'liar' to e-mail me. |
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Josie writes:
On 27/06/2010 21:06, Ian Jelf wrote: Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? The Americans are no better, with Kansas and Arkansas. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Brit were refer to Ar-Can-Zus while in the USA. |
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In message , at 21:06:26 on Sun,
27 Jun 2010, Ian Jelf remarked: War - sester (Worcester) And War-Wick. Changing industries for a moment, I find myself increasingly surrounded by Americans who use the Inner-net (and not as a contraction of Intranet). -- Roland Perry |
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MIG wrote: On 27 June, 12:44, Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. I am not sure what to make of the length limit. Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. Will it fit on the board? -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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"The Gardener" wrote in message ... On Jun 27, 8:13 am, MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Having learned about Greenwich and feeling clever, somone wanting to go a bit further east did ask for "Grinnith". This was long before a certain shopping metropolis had opened there. Indeed. Can I have a return from Blox'ich via Ips'ich to Nor-wich, please? Is that Norrich or Naarridge? |
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MIG wrote:
On 27 June, 12:44, Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. I am not sure what to make of the length limit. Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. The board is only 15x15, and words can't go round corners. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683652.html (Class 108 51916 at Kettering - last day of the Corby service, 1990) |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:06:26 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote: snipped Real ones (ie to me, in 18+ years in tourism), complete with the reasons "tourists" might want to go to sometimes unlikely places): Neck-ells (Nechells area of Birmingham. To get to the "Star City" complex)) Sluff (Slough, as they;d been told to get a bus from Heathrow with that destination, in order to reach an hotel) Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) War - sester (Worcester) Lie - ces - ter (Leicester) Bury Street in Edmunds (Bury St Edmunds) Not quite a place name but an American lady living in Britain on a tour of mine once said she caused amusement among her new British friends by always calling Sainsbury's "Sains - berry"; apparently they ended up calling it that, too! sure there have been more. Tourists and natives alike are asked in this country to pronounce the new name for Abbey as San-tan-daire. I asked the staff whether they would look at the cal-en-daire on the wall, and whether I could ten-daire a 5 pound note. Sensible answers were prohibited by management. Guy Gorton |
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"Graham Murray" wrote in message ... Josie writes: On 27/06/2010 21:06, Ian Jelf wrote: Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? The Americans are no better, with Kansas and Arkansas. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Brit were refer to Ar-Can-Zus while in the USA. Nothing. It's an easily understood mistake tim |
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In message , at 06:52:40 on Mon,
28 Jun 2010, Graham Murray remarked: Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? The Americans are no better, with Kansas and Arkansas. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Brit were refer to Ar-Can-Zus while in the USA. Poughkeepsie. (or should that be: Mornington Crescent). -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 08:02:20
on Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jim remarked: American customers used to refer to the place in Sarf Essex as 'Bay- zill-don' from the way they pronounce the herb 'basil'. Oh-ray-gan-oh / Orry-gah-no (Tomayto/tomartoe) -- Roland Perry |
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Ian Jelf wrote:
Meantime, I am sure I already mentioned the pronunciation reported to me by someone I believe, by a tourist wanting to go to Inga-testony. (The implausible bit is that someone wanted to go there.) Real ones (ie to me, in 18+ years in tourism), complete with the reasons "tourists" might want to go to sometimes unlikely places): Neck-ells (Nechells area of Birmingham. To get to the "Star City" complex)) Sluff (Slough, as they;d been told to get a bus from Heathrow with that destination, in order to reach an hotel) Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Not quite a place name but an American lady living in Britain on a tour of mine once said she caused amusement among her new British friends by always calling Sainsbury's "Sains - berry"; apparently they ended up calling it that, too! sure there have been more. Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309741.html (43 015 at Wolverhampton, 4 Oct 1987) |
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On 28 June, 08:05, Graeme wrote:
In message * * * * * MIG wrote: On 27 June, 12:44, Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. *I am not sure what to make of the length limit. *Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? *Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. Will it fit on the board? No, as has been pointed out. Didn't realise it was so small, but it's been a long time. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... In message , at 21:06:26 on Sun, 27 Jun 2010, Ian Jelf remarked: War - sester (Worcester) And War-Wick. Changing industries for a moment, I find myself increasingly surrounded by Americans who use the Inner-net (and not as a contraction of Intranet). -- Roland Perry And yet Berwick in Sussex is supposed to be pronounced Ber-wick, although it seldom is. -- Regards John |
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"Peter Masson" wrote in message
... "MIG" wrote Meantime, I am sure I already mentioned the pronunciation reported to me by someone I believe, by a tourist wanting to go to Inga-testony. Bill Hayles, formerly of this parish, recounted the time when he was booking office clerk at St John's and tried to sell a ticket to Yeovil to someone who wanted to go to Oval. Peter Oban or Holborn? -- Regards John |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris Tolley wrote:
Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) -- Alex |
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Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: On 27 June, 12:44, Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: MIG wrote: Overgeneralisation can also be a problem. Indeed. It's illegal in Scrabble. --http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309759.html (66 410 at Winwick, 10 Mar 2005) Well, it's too long for the Collins Scrabble Checker, which accepts both overgeneralise and generalisation. I am not sure what to make of the length limit. Does it imply a rule, or is it just the limits of the checker? Not rejected anyway; just can't be entered. The board is only 15x15, and words can't go round corners. A bit like Harley-Davidsons... -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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Alex Potter wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris Tolley wrote: Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) I'm sorry, being of tender years, the reference is lost on me. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632834.html (33 017 at London Waterloo, 14 Mar 1981) |
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Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Alex Potter wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris Tolley wrote: Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) I'm sorry, being of tender years, the reference is lost on me. Radio 7, Thursday Mornings at 0800 might give you a clue. -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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Graeme wrote:
In message Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Alex Potter wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris Tolley wrote: Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) I'm sorry, being of tender years, the reference is lost on me. Radio 7, Thursday Mornings at 0800 might give you a clue. I'll clarify. I know of the Ying Tong song. I even looked it up to see if there is some reference in the Lyrics to the names of main roads in London, but couldn't see one. NB The "Key Apsiddy" mentioned above was uttered with what seemed at the time a fairly reasonable Cockney accent, so it wasn't a case of him being a stranger in Town. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13309756.html (47 455 at Helsby, 5 Jun 1985) |
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Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Graeme wrote: In message Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Alex Potter wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris Tolley wrote: Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) I'm sorry, being of tender years, the reference is lost on me. Radio 7, Thursday Mornings at 0800 might give you a clue. I'll clarify. I know of the Ying Tong song. I even looked it up to see if there is some reference in the Lyrics to the names of main roads in London, but couldn't see one. NB The "Key Apsiddy" mentioned above was uttered with what seemed at the time a fairly reasonable Cockney accent, so it wasn't a case of him being a stranger in Town. Despite coming from a London family, I've still not decoded that one. sounds of brain cogs whirring, albeit somewhat squeakily Doh! OK someone was extracting the urine, obviously. -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:24:46 +0100, Zhang Dawei
wrote: You say Car-mee-na, I say Car-my-na ... mee-na, my-na ... Let's call the whole thing Orff" Zucchini/Courgette (haven't got the hang of this, have I!) |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:54:43 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: Changing industries for a moment, I find myself increasingly surrounded by Americans who use the Inner-net (and not as a contraction of Intranet). oop North we use tin-ter-net. |
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Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:24:46 +0100, Zhang Dawei wrote: You say Car-mee-na, I say Car-my-na ... mee-na, my-na ... Let's call the whole thing Orff" Zucchini/Courgette (haven't got the hang of this, have I!) I have always wondered why I've never seen a courge. Mind you, it's fair to acknowledge that Majors rarely look how one might imagine fully-grown Majorettes to look. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9628984.html (13336 (ex 08 266) at Haworth, 15 Jan 2000) |
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On Jun 28, 4:34*pm, Graeme wrote: Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Graeme wrote: Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Alex Potter wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:21:32 +0100, Chris *Tolley wrote: Was in London decades ago and got in a taxi wantong to go to St Mary-le-Bow Church in the City. Taxi driver responded, "that's the one just off Key Apsiddy, innit?" Why do I think of the Ying-Tong song? :) I'm sorry, being of tender years, the reference is lost on me. Radio 7, Thursday Mornings at 0800 might give you a clue. I'll clarify. I know of the Ying Tong song. I even looked it up to see if there is some reference in the Lyrics to the names of main roads in London, but couldn't see one. NB The "Key Apsiddy" mentioned above was uttered with what seemed at the time a fairly reasonable Cockney accent, so it wasn't a case of him being a stranger in Town. Despite coming from a London family, I've still not decoded that one. sounds of brain cogs whirring, albeit somewhat squeakily Doh! *OK someone was extracting the urine, obviously. Indeed! (Keep up at the back!) |
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Josie wrote: On 27/06/2010 21:06, Ian Jelf wrote: Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? Dunno - I'm not sure there are many people from Edinburg either. There is a Peterborough (Peter-burr-OH) in Ontario. Sam |
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Graham Murray wrote: Josie writes: On 27/06/2010 21:06, Ian Jelf wrote: Edin - burrow (Edinburgh, as almost *always* pronounced by North Americans) Are any of them from Pitsburrow? The Americans are no better, with Kansas and Arkansas. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Brit were refer to Ar-Can-Zus while in the USA. If they were talking about the river that flows through Colorado or Kansas, they'd be right, though the pronounciation changes when you get downstream, apparently. Sam |
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Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Jim writes American customers used to refer to the place in Sarf Essex as 'Bay- zill-don' from the way they pronounce the herb 'basil'. Maybe Bay-zill Jet knows this. Oh, I'd forgotten this story! I once had a US client who amused me somewhat by referring to Basil (the herb!) As "Bay - zil". Indeed, I was *so* taken with this, I actually asked her "Does that mean you say 'Bay - zil' Brush, too?" Unsurprisingly, she had no idea of what I was on about! Cecil the Seasick Seaserpent doesn't work in British English, either. Sam |
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Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: Ivor The Engine wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:24:46 +0100, Zhang Dawei wrote: You say Car-mee-na, I say Car-my-na ... mee-na, my-na ... Let's call the whole thing Orff" Zucchini/Courgette (haven't got the hang of this, have I!) I have always wondered why I've never seen a courge. Or a zuccho? Used to be quite common when I were a lad. Mind you, it's fair to acknowledge that Majors rarely look how one might imagine fully-grown Majorettes to look. :-) I'm trying to think of a joke about a small former Prime Minister and failing. Sam |
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Ian Jelf wrote: In message , Roland Perry writes In message , at 21:06:26 on Sun, 27 Jun 2010, Ian Jelf remarked: War - sester (Worcester) And War-Wick. D'oh! Slaps forehead. I work there - and thus get that - **ALL** the time! Dionne has a lot to answer for. Sam |
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Sam Wilson wrote: In article , Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote: I have always wondered why I've never seen a courge. Or a zuccho? Used to be quite common when I were a lad. "zucco" of course. Sam |
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