In message MBoZn.113143$m87.61574@hurricane, Steve Dulieu
writes

Of course, the last web chat was before TfL took back control of
Tubelines, which looks like leading to postponement of the new
Piccadilly line stock. So SWT might need to come up with a new plan.

Quite, I'm hearing that a 'refresh' might now be on the cards to eke
them out to 2020. I wonder if SWT will be so keen then?

Indeed, and a 2 car '73 stock is something I'd be interested to see...

It might go a bit, assuming that they are both motor cars.
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In message MBoZn.113143$m87.61574@hurricane, Steve Dulieu
writes

Of course, the last web chat was before TfL took back control of
Tubelines, which looks like leading to postponement of the new
Piccadilly line stock. So SWT might need to come up with a new plan.

Quite, I'm hearing that a 'refresh' might now be on the cards to eke
them out to 2020. I wonder if SWT will be so keen then?

Indeed, and a 2 car '73 stock is something I'd be interested to see...

It might go a bit, assuming that they are both motor cars.

'Refurbishing them to make them fit for the Island Line' presumably covers
any conversion to two car?

Are the existing '38 stock exactly 'as received from LU', or are they
significantly different?

Paul S

On Jul 8, 11:55*am, "Pat O'Neill" wrote:
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On Jul 8, 11:36 am, "





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On Jul 7, 5:29 pm, "
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On 07/07/2010 21:52, Paul Scott wrote:

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On 07/07/2010 11:19, Paul Scott wrote:

What about for the Island Line? Any going that way?

No - 'Island line' is to get 73 stock, according to SWT a few months
ago.

What's the timeframe on that?

They didn't say, I guess it'll depend purely on when the stock gets
replaced on LU - so whenever the 2014 (???) stock starts arriving in
large numbers?

Paul S

That's five to six years. Will the 38s hold out that long? I've heard
that they are really not in great shape.

Where is the Island Line?

The Isle of Wight.

This stuff innit.

http://patrickoneill204.fotopic.net/p58004145.html

Beautiful! Must bokmark your pictures.

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On 07/07/2010 21:52, Paul Scott wrote:

wrote in message
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On 07/07/2010 11:19, Paul Scott wrote:

What about for the Island Line? Any going that way?

No - 'Island line' is to get 73 stock, according to SWT a few months
ago.

What's the timeframe on that?

They didn't say, I guess it'll depend purely on when the stock gets
replaced on LU - so whenever the 2014 (???) stock starts arriving in
large numbers?

Paul S

That's five to six years. Will the 38s hold out that long? I've heard
that they are really not in great shape.

Where is the Island Line?

The Isle of Wight.

This stuff innit.

http://patrickoneill204.fotopic.net/p58004145.html


Or even http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/c1694014.html :-)

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On 08/07/2010 13:24, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:46:34 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote:

"Matt wrote in message

I've never understood why they didn't grab some 1983 stock when they
had the chance. Decades newer than what they've got and the single
leaf doors wouldn't have been a problem on the IOW.

Presumably because at the time, the (at the time, recently
refurbished) stock was still fit for purpose, and replacing it with
the ex-Jubilee stock would have been a false economy. Perhaps if
there were six or seven units of 83 stock available now, then it might
be worthwhile, but with 69 stock becoming available soon, I think
there's a strong possibility that some of them will head to Grockle-
Central, rather than straight to CF Booth's tin-can factory.

I presume you mean 1967 stock. I assume that driving it in purely
manual mode in short formation won't be a problem?


The stock earmarked for the Island Line is either 1972 or 1973 stock.
The 1972 stock is almost identical to 1967 stock but has manual diving
controls.

67 stock also has manual controls. But it seems that they are set up
similar to the Berlin U-Bahn in that the controller and the deadman
feature are separate, whereas they are integrated into one on all other
underground stock here.

67 stock is also restricted to 25 miles when in manual, although they
can modify to run at speed on the Island Line.

BTW, has anybody ever thought of increasing the bridge height at St.
John's? Is that the only obstacle for them to bring on something like
the 62 stock?

Anyway, I do hope that they keep some of the 67s around for the public
to see after the fact. Maybe at Covent Garden?.

On 08/07/2010 14:21, Andy wrote:
On 8 July, 13:57, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT), Matt Forbes

wrote:

I presume you mean 1967 stock. I assume that driving it in purely
manual mode in short formation won't be a problem?

I did. Oops!

The stock earmarked for the Island Line is either 1972 or 1973 stock.
The 1972 stock is almost identical to 1967 stock but has manual diving
controls.

But when with the 72/73 stock be replaced? I thought that they were
up for replacement around 2015, and surely by that time the IoW fleet
will be falling to bits. With the ex-Victoria vehicles becoming
available somewhat sooner, I'd have thought that they would be used.

Sorry, I am just repeating what I have heard and read. I don't know
the reasoning behind it, but perhaps the cost of installing manual
controls and the extra age of the 1967 stock count against it?

Some of the 1972 stock was actually built as late as 1979, so perhaps
those are the vehicles that have been selected? That would make them
a decade younger than even the last produced 1967 stock.

Another consideration is that there are 7 x 4 car units (plus 3 extra
cars) of 1972 Mk I stock which were converted (in the late 1980s /
early 1990s) to run in the middle of 1967 trains. These units were
split in half and each half coupled to 1967 stock half unit. This put
the 1967 stock cabs (with the ATO equipment) at the outer ends and the
1972 stock cabs (with the manual equipment) in the middle of an 8 car
train.

i.e.
from DM(67)-T(67)-T(67)-DM(67) + DM(72)-T(72)-T(72)-DM(72)
to DM(67)-T(67)-T(72)-exDM(72) + exDM(72)-T(72)-T(67)-DM(67)

A possibility is that these units will be the trains for the Island
Line, reformed back to 4 car 1972 stock trains. I believe that the
driving equipment is still used for shunting when reforming trains in
the depot.

When/If Island Line gets "new" rolling stock, then what will be of the
guards?

On 08/07/2010 16:12, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:30:52 -0500,
wrote:

The remaining 1972 stock is mainly on the Bakerloo but some is
incorporated in Victoria Line trains with 1967 stock, with the cabs in the
middle of trains out of use.

A significant part of the 1972 stock, whatever was on the Northern Line
before the 1995 stock arrived, has already been scrapped. I wonder why
that didn't go to the Island?


Left hand, right hand. There was talk of trams, and even the
suggestion of a guided busway. Not such a bad idea, as buses could
then go on the normal road to serve Ventnor.


Cambridgeshire Guided Busway.

On 08/07/2010 18:42, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message
, Andy
writes

A. Rolling stock for the Island Line will be in a two car formation.
Before using replacement stock we will refurbish the units to be fit
for the
Island Line.


Of course, the last web chat was before TfL took back control of
Tubelines, which looks like leading to postponement of the new
Piccadilly line stock. So SWT might need to come up with a new plan.

Quite, I'm hearing that a 'refresh' might now be on the cards to eke
them out to 2020. I wonder if SWT will be so keen then?

Perhaps keep the 38s running, as the Manx Electric Railway does with its
rolling stock?

Admittedly, the circumstances between the two networks are different.

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

Are the existing '38 stock exactly 'as received from LU', or are
they significantly different?

Not exactly. They ran as four car (three motored) and three car (two
motored) units in London.

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In article , ()
wrote:

On 08/07/2010 16:12, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:30:52 -0500,
wrote:

The remaining 1972 stock is mainly on the Bakerloo but some is
incorporated in Victoria Line trains with 1967 stock, with the cabs
in the middle of trains out of use.

A significant part of the 1972 stock, whatever was on the Northern
Line before the 1995 stock arrived, has already been scrapped. I
wonder why that didn't go to the Island?

Left hand, right hand. There was talk of trams, and even the
suggestion of a guided busway. Not such a bad idea, as buses could
then go on the normal road to serve Ventnor.

Cambridgeshire Guided Busway.

LOL!

Colin Rosenstiel
Cambridge