In message , at 18:06:53 on
Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Bruce remarked:
Obviously none of these changes would be impossible, but they would
greatly reduce the utility of the station. Whether that would be
worth the reduction in security risk is difficult to evaluate.

How likely is someone to drive a car-bomb into the station inside
something that looks like a taxi?
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Roland Perry

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:05:44 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

How likely is someone to drive a car-bomb into the station inside
something that looks like a taxi?

I would say it is an acceptable risk, just as, for instance, having
cycle racks inside stations is an acceptable risk.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:26:02 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:05:44 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

How likely is someone to drive a car-bomb into the station inside
something that looks like a taxi?

I would say it is an acceptable risk, just as, for instance, having
cycle racks inside stations is an acceptable risk.


Roland Perry is so touchingly naive. Does he really think that the
driver of a car bomb would obey the "Taxis Only" sign?

I sometimes wonder what planet Roland Perry is on. The conclusion is
never "Earth".

On Jul 11, 11:26*pm, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:05:44 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

How likely is someone to drive a car-bomb into the station inside
something that looks like a taxi?

I would say it is an acceptable risk, just as, for instance, having
cycle racks inside stations is an acceptable risk.

Cycle racks at major stations are all located away from the main
concourse, which lessens the risk.

In message , at 10:29:47 on
Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Bruce remarked:
Roland Perry is so touchingly naive. Does he really think that the
driver of a car bomb would obey the "Taxis Only" sign?

I sometimes wonder what planet Roland Perry is on. The conclusion is
never "Earth".

Oh dear, the Polson troll is in good form today.

I agree completely that the concept of a "law abiding terrorist" is
rather odd - but many precautions appear to assume that this is the
case.

However, I used the term "something that looks like a taxi", which means
that such a vehicle would not arouse any suspicion until it actually
exploded. Someone driving a "not-taxi" could possibly have been stopped
before they reached that part of the station where they could do most
damage.
--
Roland Perry

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Possibly. But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I normally
take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the Met line from
there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the option of using the
Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met because it is less crowded.

John

In message of Mon, 12 Jul 2010
18:15:29 in uk.transport.london, John C writes


"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Possibly. But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

Neil
-- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I
normally take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the
Met line from there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the
option of using the Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met
because it is less crowded.

If you wait inside the Metropolitan Ticket Hall gateline above the steps
down to platform 5 (eastbound arriving from Edgware Road), you can
monitor train arrival on a screen. There is only a minute's notice for
Circle and Hammersmith & City trains. It took me years of occasional use
to discover that. At the moment, "From Monday 5 until Friday 23 July,
southbound Metropolitan line trains to Aldgate are non-stopping." I
think you may have a good suggestion with respect to Bakerloo usage. I
find queues on arrival at Paddington are not much of a problem as I know
the doors nearest the stairs (16E-2.3 15W-5.2). Leaving from it is vile,
now they have removed the seating and seem to have put in distressed
decoration.
--
Walter Briscoe

On 11 July, 14:20, Neil Williams
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:14:28 +0100, "Paul Scott"

wrote:
The 'design and access statement', figure 3.2.2 is a relevant section, but
the text quality is very poor.

Cheers - it looks like this will help a lot. *Though I think the
gateline for the bridge is badly placed - it is not wide enough and
should move out into the open area at the end of the bridge to allow
for enough gates for the large flow.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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Admittedly, yes the gateline is narrow (assume you're referring to the
gateline on the North side of platforms 13/14; not the gateline for
H&C platforms because that one looks pretty adaquete), however since
the second bridge can be used by all other passengers (except those
who want platforms 10/11 and 13/14) so there shouldn't be quite as
much of a crush. Currently ALL Paddington passengers changing from H&C
have to go through the current gateline, whereas in future a lot of
passengers; especially long distance travellers - i.e. those with
luggage who hold up commuters, will be able to bypass that gateline
and use the other bridge instead where there are no barriers to hold
them up.

On Jul 12, 6:50*pm, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

In message of Mon, 12 Jul 2010
18:15:29 in uk.transport.london, John C writes:

"Neil Williams" wrote:

Possibly. *But I think going away from Padd that people would as a
whole "default" to the Circle Line, just because that's the known
quantity. *Commuters, of course, will have their own way of doing
things, but there would at least be some split.

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I
normally take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the
Met line from there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the
option of using the Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met
because it is less crowded.

If you wait inside the Metropolitan Ticket Hall gateline above the steps
down to platform 5 (eastbound arriving from Edgware Road), you can
monitor train arrival on a screen. There is only a minute's notice for
Circle and Hammersmith & City trains. It took me years of occasional use
to discover that. [...]

That's a useful tip, thanks - as much as waiting for a Met might be
the more civilised choice, I'm often to be found in a rush and caring
little for such niceties!

[...] At the moment, "From Monday 5 until Friday 23 July,
southbound Metropolitan line trains to Aldgate are non-stopping." I
think you may have a good suggestion with respect to Bakerloo usage. I
find queues on arrival at Paddington are not much of a problem as I know
the doors nearest the stairs (16E-2.3 15W-5.2). Leaving from it is vile,
now they have removed the seating and seem to have put in distressed
decoration.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:15:29 +0100, "John C"
wrote:

If I am heading from Paddington to King's Cross or Liverpool St I normally
take a southbound Bakerloo train to Baker Street and then the Met line from
there. If there is a long wait for the Met I have the option of using the
Circle instead but normally I wait for the Met because it is less crowded.

Tried the 18 bus this morning, and it seemed a good choice - not much
slower (even though I had to wander round a bit before I found the
back entrance) and not overcrowded - I think that will now be the
default.

Don't know about going home, though, as the Marylebone / Euston Road
seems a lot busier in the evening peak going east than it is around
0800 going west.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
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