In message , Steve
Dulieu writes

"Kat" wrote in message
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In message , Paul Corfield
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:11:35 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Hi all,

The rumour mill says that the new surface stock should be ready to
replace
the A, C and D stocks in 2013, and that it will also be used on South
London
Metro services. It will have some method of dealing with curved
platforms
(I'm guessing short articulated carriages). The Acton Town to Uxbridge
services will become part of the District Line, with all Piccadilly
trains
going to Heathrow.

Interesting rumour mill John - not heard any of that from within LUL. I
must find myself a better source.

I heard that the Victoria Line was next for new stock.. I know what C
and D is, so maybe that's A......
'fraid not, A is A60 as used on the Met...

Thanks,
Just goes to show that 99% of what you hear on LU has suffered from
Chinese Whispers syndrome....
--
Kat Frogs have it easy. They can eat what bugs them.

"Rob" wrote in message
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"Kat" wrote in message
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I heard that the Victoria Line was next for new stock..

It may well be, that doesn't contradict anything in this thread.

A stock is the Met main and East london line
C H&C
D DIstrict

Incidentally, the letters stand for Amersham, Circle and District.

Were supposed to be getting new stock starting with
the met main in 2012. Its gonna be the same stock
for all of ssl. The only difference will be the number
of carridges. Met 8, Distict 7 and h&c an circle will have 6.

So the carriage length will be the same as now? What will be the curved
platform solution.... movable footplates on trains... or on platforms?

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
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In message , John Rowland
writes
"Rob" wrote in message
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"Kat" wrote in message
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I heard that the Victoria Line was next for new stock..

It may well be, that doesn't contradict anything in this thread.

Who said it did?
It was a humorous comment about stock names and rumours....
--
Kat Frogs have it easy. They can eat what bugs them.

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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So the carriage length will be the same as now? What will be the curved
platform solution.... movable footplates on trains... or on platforms?

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001


AS far as i know, its only the d stock that will ahve shorter carriges, but
it will have an extra one making it approx the same length. Why would that
cause a problem? in times of Q, R, CP and other 1930's stock the peak
service were made up of 8 cars.

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Hi all,

The rumour mill says that the new surface stock should
be ready to replace the A, C and D stocks in 2013,
and that it will also be used on South London Metro services.

You can't have a 4th rail train running over 3rd rail lines
because the centre shoe will
foul points without a ramp to lift it over

Shoes are sometimes (always?) retractable. ISTR Eurostars have to retract
their shoes in France or they would lose them.

Also you need lots of doors on stock on the circle line
because of the number of crowds but on the met and on
south london mainline services passengers won't be
happy standing for hours because of the lack seats.

I heard some time ago that the stock would have short articulated carriages
of three types: with cab, cabless standing and cabless seated. Every train
would have two cabs and both types of cabless segment, but the proportion of
the types of cabless segment would vary between different lines.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
Hi all,

The rumour mill says that the new surface stock should be ready to replace
the A, C and D stocks in 2013, and that it will also be used on South London
Metro services. It will have some method of dealing with curved platforms

I forsee a problem with that. Will it be 4th rail or 3rd? You can't have a
4th rail train running over 3rd rail lines because the centre shoe will
foul points without a ramp to lift it over and you can't have a 3rd rail stock
running on 4th rail as the return current in the wheels will bugger up the
signalling (except on places where the libe was originally 3rd rail such as
the bakerloo north of queens park). Also you need lots of doors on stock
on the circle line because of the number of crowds but on the met and on
south london mainline services passengers won't be happy standing for hours
because of the lack seats. My guess is the basic design will be the same but
with differences for different lines.

B2003

In article ,
(Boltar) wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
Hi all,

The rumour mill says that the new surface stock should be ready to
replace
the A, C and D stocks in 2013, and that it will also be used on South
London
Metro services. It will have some method of dealing with curved
platforms

I forsee a problem with that. Will it be 4th rail or 3rd? You can't
have a
4th rail train running over 3rd rail lines because the centre shoe will
foul points without a ramp to lift it over

A ramp shouldn't be needed to lift the shoes as the shoes should be higher
than the running rail (this is certainly so on LUL tracks, and I assume
that mainline rails are the same height. The point fouling problem (if
indeed it is a problem) would still apply on LUL lines as the shoes still
have to pass over the running rails at junctions etc. There may be ramps
at some locations to ensure the shoe is lifted IF it is lower than it
should be, but there aren't ramps provided as a matter of course
everywhere that shoes would pass over the running rail.


Roger