On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
In ,
d wrote:
So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.

Correct. See, for example, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7203378.stm
and http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx

This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

In article ,
d wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?

Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?

English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English
banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them
every day.

The same is not true of Scottish notes.

What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?

If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.

Not if the pub's policy was "no Scottish banknotes please - we're English".

--
Mike Bristow

In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.

--
Paul Terry

In message , at 18:47:03 on Tue,
10 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in
addition to those issued by the government there

I have one here issued by the "Hongkong and Shanghai Banking
Corporation".

I wonder if they have a snappier name these days, hmm, H-S-B-C might be
a candidate?
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed,
11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then?

Correct.

Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there?
--
Roland Perry

On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:49:31 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?

Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?

English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English
banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them
every day.

The same is not true of Scottish notes.

I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without
specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for
2 seconds.

B2003

On Aug 11, 8:05*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:





In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?

Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in
this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a
weekend in London.

One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly.
I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had
nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess
which one he took!

In message , d
writes
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?
Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?
What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?
If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.
As we've not had one pound notes for years here, I can accept that
foreign (Scottish) notes could cause problems. The proprietor is
entitled to refuse and a contract does not exist until he accepts to
serve you.
--
Clive

In message , Roland Perry
writes

In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed,
11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then?

Correct.

Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there?

Bank of England notes below the value of five pounds (i.e. ten-shilling
and one pound notes) were once legal tender in Scotland, but now that
they no longer exist, no banknotes are legal tender in Scotland. Coins
are, though.

As has been said repeatedly, "legal tender" in the UK is a highly
specialised concept that very few people will ever encounter. See:

http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/legal_position.php

--
Paul Terry