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On 2010\08\08 10:55, wrote:
On Aug 7, 2:00 pm, wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.

That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.

So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is
nonsense.

Most people in shops are employees and so are not free to decide what is
or is not acceptable payment to their employer. They aren't saying
they'll be prosecuted if they accept it, they're saying they'll be
sacked if they accept it. Most Scottish people IME become aggressive
when their money is rejected, even when a debt has been accrued in
London and legal tender is required.

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Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

On Aug 8, 4:11*pm, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\08 10:55, wrote:
On Aug 7, 2:00 pm, *wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender * * * * * * * *Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.
That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.
So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is
nonsense.

Most people in shops are employees and so are not free to decide what is
or is not acceptable payment to their employer. They aren't saying
they'll be prosecuted if they accept it, they're saying they'll be
sacked if they accept it. Most Scottish people IME become aggressive
when their money is rejected, even when a debt has been accrued in
London and legal tender is required.-

With the greatest of respect you are under a misapprehension when
you say that legal tender is required. Were this indeed the case
then
no credit cards would be accepted as credit cards are certainly not
legal tender, nor are cheques nor debit cards.

What does constitute legal tender is set out by law, and in
London (as in the rest of England) consists mainly of Bank of
England Notes. Wikipedia does quite a good explanation for
various places, and is worth consulting.

The reason Scottish notes are rejected is because the person
on the till does not want to take them. This may indeed be their
employers policy or, as you write they may fear their employers
reaction because they have not been fully trained regarding what
they may accept. They really should come out into the open and
say that they are unfamiliar with these notes and do not want
to accept them, rather than hiding behind the "not legal tender"
routine.

I got a very clear explanation of one Scots unhappiness when
his money was rejected. "I thought" he said "that I lived in
an United Kingdom"

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On Aug 8, 5:22*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
wrote
On Aug 7, 2:00*pm, Clive wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender * * * * * * * *Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.
That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.
So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is nonsense.

Nope, it's shorthand "when I try to use it, someone else may refuse to
accept it as they are entitled to do".
Money that may not be accepted is a genuine inconvenience - I recall
solving the problem for Guernsey notes and coin by paying it over
NatWest's bank counter for the credit of my UK bank account the day my
holiday ended and drawing Bank of England notes from the appropriate
cash machine at the same time. Mike D

Anybody is certainly fully entitled to refuse Scottish, Northern
Irish,
Manx or Channel Islands notes, as are they entitled to refuse
payment by cheque, Debit Card or Credit Card, as all of them
are equally not legal tender. For the same reason Bank of
England notes could be refused for payments made outside
England and Wales. What would be more honest would be
to say that they are refusing payment of a type with which
they are not familiar, or not trained to accept.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:58:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Anybody is certainly fully entitled to refuse Scottish, Northern
Irish,
Manx or Channel Islands notes, as are they entitled to refuse
payment by cheque, Debit Card or Credit Card, as all of them
are equally not legal tender.

Anyone is entitled to refuse any payment of any kind for any reason
(so long as it is not a reason, e.g. racial discrimination, that is
against the law) so long as the payment is in a situation where no
debt exists.

Legal tender only applies to things like a meal in a restaurant, where
a debt exists at the time of paying because you've already eaten the
food. If you buy a Tube ticket, you're doing so in advance of the
journey, so no debt has occurred, so they may take or not take any
method of payment they wish. If you fare-dodge then are charged a
Penalty Fare, OTOH, a debt exists (as the travel has already occurred
and cannot un-occur) so the legal tender rules would apply.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:47:58 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

What does constitute legal tender is set out by law, and in
London (as in the rest of England) consists mainly of Bank of
England Notes. Wikipedia does quite a good explanation for
various places, and is worth consulting.

But as per my other posting, legal tender is completely irrelevant
where no debt exists.

Ryanair, for instance, does not accept cash for booking of flights
(well, it might at the airport, but I'm not entirely sure it does). It
doesn't need to because no debt exists at the time of booking, as
you're booking before you fly.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

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On Aug 8, 10:28*pm, Neil Williams
wrote:
semiretired wrote:

Anybody is certainly fully entitled to refuse Scottish, Northern
Irish, Manx or Channel Islands notes, as are they entitled to
refuse payment by cheque, Debit Card or Credit Card, as all
of them are equally not legal tender.

Anyone is entitled to refuse any payment of any kind for any reason
(so long as it is not a reason, e.g. racial discrimination, that is
against the law) so long as the payment is in a situation where no
debt exists.
Legal tender only applies to things like a meal in a restaurant, where
a debt exists at the time of paying because you've already eaten the
food. *If you buy a Tube ticket, you're doing so in advance of the
journey, so no debt has occurred, so they may take or not take any
method of payment they wish. *If you fare-dodge then are charged a
Penalty Fare, OTOH, a debt exists (as the travel has already occurred
and cannot un-occur) so the legal tender rules would apply. Neil

Then I think we are agreed that refusing money "because it is not
legal tender" is a red herring.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:09:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Then I think we are agreed that refusing money "because it is not
legal tender" is a red herring.

I think so, yes.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

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On Aug 8, 10:29*pm, Neil Williams
wrote:
semiretired wrote:

What does constitute legal tender is set out by law, and in
London (as in the rest of England) consists mainly of Bank of
England Notes. Wikipedia does quite a good explanation for
various places, and is worth consulting.

But as per my other posting, legal tender is completely irrelevant
where no debt exists.
Ryanair, for instance, does not accept cash for booking of flights
(well, it might at the airport, but I'm not entirely sure it does). It
doesn't need to because no debt exists at the time of booking, as
you're booking before you fly. Neil

Of course they are not a U.K. company, and this seems to
aid them in some of their arrangements.

My point was that when refusing to accept payment the
real reason should be stated and not an irrelevance
about legal tender.

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On 08/08/2010 17:22, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
wrote

On Aug 7, 2:00 pm, wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.

That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.

So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is nonsense.

Nope, it's shorthand "when I try to use it, someone else may refuse to
accept it as they are entitled to do".

Money that may not be accepted is a genuine inconvenience - I recall
solving the problem for Guernsey notes and coin by paying it over
NatWest's bank counter for the credit of my UK bank account the day my
holiday ended and drawing Bank of England notes from the appropriate
cash machine at the same time.


Banks in London will accept all notes from the United Kingdom of Great
Britian & Northern Ireland, as well as those from Guernsey, Jersey and
the Isle of Man. The automatic deposit machines will not accept single
notes, however, which come from Scotland, Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle
of Man.

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On 08/08/2010 21:58, wrote:
On Aug 8, 5:22 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
wrote
On Aug 7, 2:00 pm, wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.
That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.
So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is nonsense.

Nope, it's shorthand "when I try to use it, someone else may refuse to
accept it as they are entitled to do".
Money that may not be accepted is a genuine inconvenience - I recall
solving the problem for Guernsey notes and coin by paying it over
NatWest's bank counter for the credit of my UK bank account the day my
holiday ended and drawing Bank of England notes from the appropriate
cash machine at the same time. Mike D

Anybody is certainly fully entitled to refuse Scottish, Northern
Irish,
Manx or Channel Islands notes, as are they entitled to refuse
payment by cheque, Debit Card or Credit Card, as all of them
are equally not legal tender. For the same reason Bank of
England notes could be refused for payments made outside
England and Wales. What would be more honest would be
to say that they are refusing payment of a type with which
they are not familiar, or not trained to accept.


I think that, technically, they should not have a problem accepting
Scottish and Northern Irish notes as they are all in the United Kingdom.
But they are not under obligation to accept notes and coins from the
Channel Island or from the Isle of Man as they are not part of the
United Kingdom.

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On 06/08/2010 21:12, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 3, 9:34 am, Mizter wrote:

A belated thank you for this information - ultimately not at all
surprised to find that Euro coinage is not accepted, only Euro notes -
I imagine the cost and hassle factor basically rules it out, and
acceptance of foreign coinage just isn't a done thing.

There are London businesses that will not even accept Scottish
currency, although I suspect that they a legally obliged to do so.
There have been times when I have refused to pay with anything else,
having no English money about my person.

When in England and Wales, I just stick with paying with English notes.
Any notes received from the Northern Ireland or Scotland I simply
deposit into a separate account for savings.

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Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

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In message B3H7o.57309$lF5.51609@hurricane, "
writes
I think that, technically, they should not have a problem accepting
Scottish and Northern Irish notes as they are all in the United
Kingdom. But they are not under obligation to accept notes and coins
from the Channel Island or from the Isle of Man as they are not part of
the United Kingdom.
Here (Cumbria) Scottish notes are recognised and accepted, but in my
home town of Bristol, it can be very different.
--
Clive

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On 2010\08\09 03:52, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in Scotland,
Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.


I would imagine the tills are uniform across the country for cost
reasons, which is why the London ones accept Scottish money.

No idea about tills but there are reports of Scottish retailers declining
Northern Irish notes, which does make the Scottish complaint seem a little
hollow.


A while back a Scottish MP brought a Private Members' Bill that
sought to make it a requirement for all retailers throughout the UK who
accept English notes to accept Scottish notes on the same basis (carefully
structured to avoid the issue of legal tender);

If the Scots would just start using English money, wouldn't that remove
any problem for the Scots without legislation? It seems like his aim is
not to solve problems for the Scots but to force English people to
accept as money portraits of people famous for nothing but killing the
English. The English, of course, would never stoop to putting pictures
of someone famous for killing Scots on our money.

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On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:30:49AM +0100, wrote:

When in England and Wales, I just stick with paying with English notes.
Any notes received from the Northern Ireland or Scotland I simply
deposit into a separate account for savings.

I spend Scottish notes like I would Bank of England notes. In my
experience they Just Work.

--
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

You are so cynical. And by "cynical", of course, I mean "correct".
-- Kurt Starsinic

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Basil Jet wrote:

A while back a Scottish MP brought a Private Members' Bill that
sought to make it a requirement for all retailers throughout the UK who
accept English notes to accept Scottish notes on the same basis
(carefully
structured to avoid the issue of legal tender);

If the Scots would just start using English money, wouldn't that remove
any problem for the Scots without legislation? It seems like his aim is
not to solve problems for the Scots but to force English people to accept
as money portraits of people famous for nothing but killing the English.
The English, of course, would never stoop to putting pictures of someone
famous for killing Scots on our money.

The Scots do use English money though - certainly in Edinburgh I've often
had English fivers in my change and never had a problem with any English
note offered.

I presume you mean the Scottish banks dropping their issuing of notes but
this is a different matter and it's not the Scottish banks who have the
problems (apart from the inconvenience of people in mainly border branches
queueing up to "change" their money into English notes). Whenever I've used
a cash machine in Scotland or Northern Ireland I have never been offered a
choice of banknotes; nor for that matter have I been given one for my change
in shops. People find that when they leave Scotland or Northern Ireland the
only cash notes they have are Scottish or Northern Irish notes because that
is all they can obtain; they then arrive in England and either:

* get into arguments when purchasing small amounts, usually things like
refreshments and food on the final stage of the journey home or after
arriving, or petrol when driving down or getting taxies to their door
* have to go through the hassle of paying their Scottish or Northern Irish
notes into the bank (not helped by most banks having inconvenient opening
hours and machines that either aren't accessible out of hours and/or won't
recognise the notes) only to take out the same amount in English notes.

Not everybody has branches of their bank conveniently close and open at
accessible times - my nearest branch doesn't open Saturdays and has no out
of hours deposit service beyond dropping an envelope into the letterbox. The
next nearest branch frequently locks its lobby & letterbox, and has machines
that won't recognise the notes. My workplace doesn't have a branch of my
bank in the immediate vicinity; whilst I could get a bus down to the nearest
one to pay in, I'm not confident I could get there, get through the
cashier's till and then get back within the half hour I get for lunch (which
sometimes has to be broken up simply because of fixed timings).

Working on university campuses I've often seen particular problems caused by
conferences in both directions as many attendees are postgraduate
researchers on particularly tight budgets or cashflow shortfalls who can't
keep taking cash out of their accounts if they're not spending what they
already have, compounded by the cash machines running out (the number of
machines on QMUL's campus has plummeted in recent years and most of the
machines are now inside outlets not open all the time; at least we have some
just off the campus to go to).

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:24:29 +0100
Tony Dragon wrote:
wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

There should just be one set of notes for the whole country. Not have this
absurd situation where in the provinces some banks (not all!) are allowed
to print their own money which may or may not be legal tender in other
parts of the UK. If you think trying to spend a northern ireland note in
england is hard try using one from the isle of man or the channel islands!
If its not legal tender then why is it called sterling?

B2003

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On 2010\08\10 11:24, Tony Dragon wrote:
wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside
of Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.


It has "Bank Of England" writ thereon.

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On Aug 10, 7:59*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\10 11:24, Tony Dragon wrote:

wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally..

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside
of Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

It has "Bank Of England" writ thereon.

Indeed, it does. Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has
the names Wales or Cymru on it!

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On Aug 10, 3:34*am, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:24:29 +0100

Tony Dragon wrote:
wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally..

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money..

There should just be one set of notes for the whole country. Not have this
absurd situation where in the provinces some banks (not all!) are allowed
to print their own money which may or may not be legal tender in other
parts of the UK. If you think trying to spend a northern ireland note in
england is hard try using one from the isle of man or the channel islands!
If its not legal tender then why is it called sterling?

Who would print it and how would it be supplied? No one else on the
planet should have a Federal Reserve. It is an awful institution.

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On 2010\08\10 16:22, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 10, 7:59 am, Basil wrote:
On 2010\08\10 11:24, Tony Dragon wrote:

wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside
of Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

It has "Bank Of England" writ thereon.

Indeed, it does. Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has
the names Wales or Cymru on it!

There are pound coins with Welsh writing.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
1506 wrote:
There should just be one set of notes for the whole country. Not have thi=
s
absurd situation where in the provinces some banks (not all!) are allowed
to print their own money which may or may not be legal tender in other
parts of the UK. If you think trying to spend a northern ireland note in
england is hard try using one from the isle of man or the channel islands=
!
If its not legal tender then why is it called sterling?

Who would print it and how would it be supplied? No one else on the

The bank of england guides the UK economy (whatever the toytown council in
edinburgh might believe) so it should print the money as it does at the
moment.

planet should have a Federal Reserve. It is an awful institution.

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money. Can you imagine the chaos if every US state now printed its
own money which may or may not be valid in the others? The situation we
currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling notes should be valid
everywhere in the UK or there should just be one set of notes for the whole
UK. Not the daft mishmash we have at the moment.

B2003

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On Aug 10, 4:22*pm, 1506 wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:59*am, Basil Jet wrote:

On 2010\08\10 11:24, Tony Dragon wrote:
[snip]
I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

It has "Bank Of England" writ thereon.

Indeed, it does. *Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has
the names Wales or Cymru on it!

Not even any Welsh banks that could issue you with a dragon themed
debit card ;-(

Might well be an affinity credit card available with the WRU or Welsh
National Opera or something, but a quick google hasn't found an
amazingly obvious candidate.

Though I did find an interesting piece on the BBC Wales website about
the history of Welsh banks:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/waleshist...lsh_banks.html

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On 2010\08\10 16:50, d wrote:

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money. Can you imagine the chaos if every US state now printed its
own money which may or may not be valid in the others? The situation we
currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling notes should be valid
everywhere in the UK or there should just be one set of notes for the whole
UK. Not the daft mishmash we have at the moment.

Since there are 4 denominations in fairly current use, I don't see why
the fivers, tenners, twenties and fifties couldn't have a different
country written on them, and be printed in the country in question. And
if the people in Scotland hate using money with England on it that much,
they could just avoid using the "Sterling Bank Of England" fivers and
stick to the "Sterling Bank Of Scotland" tenners instead, although all
four notes would be legal tender and the other provincial and Bank Of
England notes would be withdrawn as that denomination of "Sterling Bank"
note was introduced. Would keep the moaning nationalists happy, and we'd
end up with only four notes throughout the kingdom.

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On Aug 10, 9:26*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Aug 10, 4:22*pm, 1506 wrote:

On Aug 10, 7:59*am, Basil Jet wrote:

On 2010\08\10 11:24, Tony Dragon wrote:
[snip]
I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

It has "Bank Of England" writ thereon.

Indeed, it does. *Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has
the names Wales or Cymru on it!

Not even any Welsh banks that could issue you with a dragon themed
debit card ;-(

Might well be an affinity credit card available with the WRU or Welsh
National Opera or something, but a quick google hasn't found an
amazingly obvious candidate.

Though I did find an interesting piece on the BBC Wales website about
the history of Welsh banks:http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/waleshist...e_of_welsh_ban...

Fascinating piece, thank you for posting.

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On Aug 10, 5:33*pm, Basil Jet wrote:

On 2010\08\10 16:50, wrote:

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money. Can you imagine the chaos if every US state now printed its
own money which may or may not be valid in the others? The situation we
currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling notes should be valid
everywhere in the UK or there should just be one set of notes for the whole
UK. Not the daft mishmash we have at the moment.

Since there are 4 denominations in fairly current use, I don't see why
the fivers, tenners, twenties and fifties couldn't have a different
country written on them, and be printed in the country in question. And
if the people in Scotland hate using money with England on it that much,
they could just avoid using the "Sterling Bank Of England" fivers and
stick to the "Sterling Bank Of Scotland" tenners instead, although all
four notes would be legal tender and the other provincial and Bank Of
England notes would be withdrawn as that denomination of "Sterling Bank"
note was introduced. Would keep the moaning nationalists happy, and we'd
end up with only four notes throughout the kingdom.

Alternatively we could solve the banknote issue by joining the Euro,
though comes with the unfortunate side-effect of having to send large
amounts of money to Greece...

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In message , d
writes

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money.

Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in
addition to those issued by the government there.

The situation we currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling
notes should be valid everywhere in the UK or there should just be one
set of notes for the whole UK.

The notion of what is "valid" in terms of financial transactions is
largely a matter of agreement between the parties concerned. (As
mentioned earlier, the concept of "legal tender" applies to only a
limited range of transactions).
--
Paul Terry

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On Aug 10, 10:46*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Aug 10, 5:33*pm, Basil Jet wrote:





On 2010\08\10 16:50, wrote:

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money. Can you imagine the chaos if every US state now printed its
own money which may or may not be valid in the others? The situation we
currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling notes should be valid
everywhere in the UK or there should just be one set of notes for the whole
UK. Not the daft mishmash we have at the moment.

Since there are 4 denominations in fairly current use, I don't see why
the fivers, tenners, twenties and fifties couldn't have a different
country written on them, and be printed in the country in question. And
if the people in Scotland hate using money with England on it that much,
they could just avoid using the "Sterling Bank Of England" fivers and
stick to the "Sterling Bank Of Scotland" tenners instead, although all
four notes would be legal tender and the other provincial and Bank Of
England notes would be withdrawn as that denomination of "Sterling Bank"
note was introduced. Would keep the moaning nationalists happy, and we'd
end up with only four notes throughout the kingdom.

Alternatively we could solve the banknote issue by joining the Euro,
though comes with the unfortunate side-effect of having to send large
amounts of money to Greece...

The Euro is a currency that is in a race with the US Dollar to be
bottom of the monetary rock pile. What is that rumbling I hear in the
distance? Inflation.

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On Aug 10, 10:47*am, Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
writes

I hadn't noticed the various regions in other countries printing their
own money.

Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in
addition to those issued by the government there.

The situation we currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling
notes should be valid everywhere in the UK or there should just be one
set of notes for the whole UK.

The notion of what is "valid" in terms of financial transactions is
largely a matter of agreement between the parties concerned. (As
mentioned earlier, the concept of "legal tender" applies to only a
limited range of transactions).
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All money is based on an element of faith. In some cases one's faith
is better placed than in others, e.g. the Swiss Franc.

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Mizter T wrote:

Alternatively we could solve the banknote issue by joining the Euro,
though comes with the unfortunate side-effect of having to send large
amounts of money to Greece...

The SNP have been lobbying since the 1990s for Scottish banks to still have
the right to issue their own notes under the Euro. It's a demand that will
probably be accepted if it made it more likely to win a referendum.

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On Aug 11, 12:02*am, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
Alternatively we could solve the banknote issue by joining the Euro,
though comes with the unfortunate side-effect of having to send large
amounts of money to Greece...

The SNP have been lobbying since the 1990s for Scottish banks to still have
the right to issue their own notes under the Euro. It's a demand that will
probably be accepted if it made it more likely to win a referendum.

I assume you mean a referendum on the Euro?

Every single Euro country would have to agree to such a thing - I find
it very hard to imagine that would ever happen, however much they
might value having the UK inside the Euro (it would be the thin end of
the wedge) - and I find it a bit hard to imagine that the UK
government would go out on a limb to try and demand that of the rest
of Europe.

But I now realise that's not what the demand would entail - instead it
would involve there being Scottish Euro notes that were only accepted
within Scotland (or maybe the UK). Yes, that's seems a bit more
possible - though I still think other Euro governments could be
somewhat hostile to such a proposal, for example the Spaniards might
be wary of demands coming from the Catalans and the Basques etc etc.
That said, the Scots (and NI) banks have precedent on their side.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:47:03 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:
Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in
addition to those issued by the government there.

I wonder if the fact that HK was run by britain for 100 years has anything
to do with that.

The situation we currently have here is absurd. Either all sterling
notes should be valid everywhere in the UK or there should just be one
set of notes for the whole UK.

The notion of what is "valid" in terms of financial transactions is
largely a matter of agreement between the parties concerned. (As
mentioned earlier, the concept of "legal tender" applies to only a
limited range of transactions).

Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage
checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale
tenners and see where it gets you.

B2003

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In message , d
writes

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:47:03 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:

The notion of what is "valid" in terms of financial transactions is
largely a matter of agreement between the parties concerned. (As
mentioned earlier, the concept of "legal tender" applies to only a
limited range of transactions).

Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage
checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale
tenners and see where it gets you.

Erm ... that's exactly my point. The only medium that is valid for the
transaction is one that BOTH parties can agree upon using.
--
Paul Terry

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:50:26 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:
Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage
checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale
tenners and see where it gets you.

Erm ... that's exactly my point. The only medium that is valid for the
transaction is one that BOTH parties can agree upon using.

Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.

B2003

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In message , d
writes

Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.

We are going round in circles now, but the concept of legal tender is
irrelevant to purchasing items in shops. As pointed out further up the
thread, legal tender related to settling debts, not making purchases, as
explained he

http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx

When purchasing an item, the vendor is free to accept or refuse any type
of payment they wish. It is only in cases where a debt has been run-up
(such as consuming a meal in a restaurant before paying for it) that
legal tender becomes relevant.
--
Paul Terry

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In article ,
d wrote:
Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.

a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI)

b) even if they are legal tender, then it wouldn't matter: she can
still refuse to accept it

c) I would expect the policy of the shop to be something along the
lines of "if you are uncertain about a notes validity, do not
accept it".

In short: if someone rejects a scottish note, in a part of the
country where they're not particularly common, they're being perfectly
reasonable.

--
Mike Bristow