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[email protected] August 11th 10 11:38 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:08:43 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:
When purchasing an item, the vendor is free to accept or refuse any type
of payment they wish. It is only in cases where a debt has been run-up
(such as consuming a meal in a restaurant before paying for it) that
legal tender becomes relevant.


Whatever.

I just would like to be able to go into a shop anywhere in the UK and use
notes from anywhere in the UK without eyebrows being raised or the shop
assistant refusing to take them. We don't have that with our current system.

B2003


[email protected] August 11th 10 11:44 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:19:37 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.


a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI)


Since when?

And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes which
are legal tender all over the UK?

In short: if someone rejects a scottish note, in a part of the
country where they're not particularly common, they're being perfectly
reasonable.


No they're not.

B2003



Tim Roll-Pickering August 11th 10 11:59 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
d wrote:

Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop
floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.


a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI)


Since when?


Since always. They're not legal tender in Scotland either for that matter.

And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes
which
are legal tender all over the UK?


No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales.



Peter Campbell Smith[_5_] August 11th 10 12:33 PM

Welsh money, was: Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
1506 wrote in
:

Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has
the names Wales or Cymru on it!


There are some Welsh-themed pound coins, and one that refers to 'my
country' in Welsh around the edge. And given that this year's issues
include ones with the coats of arms of London and Belfast, I suspect
next year we might see Cardiff (and Edinburgh). But none of these
actually say 'Wales' or 'Cymru', I think.

There was a 1981 25p (crown) coin issued which the word 'Wales' on it,
albeit preceded by 'Prince of', and similarly there is a 1998 £5 coin
with the same chap's name. I believe these are still legal tender.

And then there's the banknotes of the Black Sheep Company of Wales
Limited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknot..._Company_of_Wa
les_Limited.

Peter

--
| Peter Campbell Smith | Epsom | UK |

[email protected] August 11th 10 12:39 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:59:55 +0100
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI)


Since when?


Since always. They're not legal tender in Scotland either for that matter.

And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes
which
are legal tender all over the UK?


No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales.


So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.

B2003


Clive August 11th 10 01:17 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , d
writes
Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage
checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale
tenners and see where it gets you.

ICBW but do I remember payphones and some shops taking Euros in Waterloo
station when the Eurostar went there?
--
Clive


Clive August 11th 10 01:24 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , d
writes
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:19:37 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running
the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that
scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor
sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick.

a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI)

Since when?
And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes which
are legal tender all over the UK?
In short: if someone rejects a scottish note, in a part of the
country where they're not particularly common, they're being perfectly
reasonable.

No they're not.

When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before? What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?
--
Clive


Paul Terry[_2_] August 11th 10 01:25 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , d
writes

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then?


Correct.

The same applies to Northern Ireland.
--
Paul Terry

Mike Bristow August 11th 10 01:37 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In article ,
d wrote:
So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.


Correct. See, for example,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7203378.stm
and http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx

This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

--
Mike Bristow

[email protected] August 11th 10 01:40 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?


Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?

What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?


If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.

B2003


Basil Jet[_2_] August 11th 10 01:45 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
In ,
d wrote:
So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.


Correct. See, for example,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7203378.stm
and http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx

This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.


You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

Mike Bristow August 11th 10 01:49 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In article ,
d wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?


Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?


English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English
banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them
every day.

The same is not true of Scottish notes.

What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?


If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.


Not if the pub's policy was "no Scottish banknotes please - we're English".

--
Mike Bristow


Paul Terry[_2_] August 11th 10 02:15 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.


You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?


It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.

--
Paul Terry

Roland Perry August 11th 10 03:03 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , at 18:47:03 on Tue,
10 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in
addition to those issued by the government there


I have one here issued by the "Hongkong and Shanghai Banking
Corporation".

I wonder if they have a snappier name these days, hmm, H-S-B-C might be
a candidate?
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry August 11th 10 03:05 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed,
11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then?


Correct.


Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there?
--
Roland Perry

Basil Jet[_2_] August 11th 10 03:05 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.


You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?


It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.


So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?

[email protected] August 11th 10 03:09 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:49:31 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?


Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?


English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English
banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them
every day.

The same is not true of Scottish notes.


I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without
specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for
2 seconds.

B2003



1506[_2_] August 11th 10 03:20 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On Aug 11, 8:05*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:





In message , Basil Jet
writes


On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.


You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?


It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.


If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.


That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.


So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?


Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in
this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a
weekend in London.

One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly.
I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had
nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess
which one he took!



Clive August 11th 10 03:44 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , d
writes
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?

Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?
What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?

If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.

As we've not had one pound notes for years here, I can accept that
foreign (Scottish) notes could cause problems. The proprietor is
entitled to refuse and a contract does not exist until he accepts to
serve you.
--
Clive


Paul Terry[_2_] August 11th 10 03:53 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , Roland Perry
writes

In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed,
11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then?


Correct.


Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there?


Bank of England notes below the value of five pounds (i.e. ten-shilling
and one pound notes) were once legal tender in Scotland, but now that
they no longer exist, no banknotes are legal tender in Scotland. Coins
are, though.

As has been said repeatedly, "legal tender" in the UK is a highly
specialised concept that very few people will ever encounter. See:

http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/legal_position.php

--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry[_2_] August 11th 10 04:16 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message , Basil Jet
writes

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence,


No. The fare is quoted in sterling and they are offering to pay in
sterling.

--
Paul Terry

Mike Bristow August 11th 10 04:17 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In article ,
d wrote:
I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without
specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for
2 seconds.


It wouldn't have to be a good forgery of a scottish note. I reckon
you can design your own series of notes from a fictional scottish
bank (say, the Royal Edinburgh Bank) and a fair portion of English
folk wouldn't be able to tell you it's a fake.

And that's exactly why many retailers will be unhappy accepting the
notes.

With BoE notes, it at least has to look like a BoE note!

--
Mike Bristow


Mike Bristow August 11th 10 04:19 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In article ,
Basil Jet wrote:
So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence,


No. Provided that there is no intention to make off without paying
(and offering actual folding cash which is rebuffed by the driver
is a pretty good defence!) then there is no crime.

and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?


Anything mutually agreeable can be used to settle the debt at the
roadside.

--
Mike Bristow


Basil Jet[_2_] August 11th 10 04:30 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 2010\08\11 17:17, Mike Bristow wrote:
In ,
d wrote:
I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without
specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for
2 seconds.


It wouldn't have to be a good forgery of a scottish note. I reckon
you can design your own series of notes from a fictional scottish
bank (say, the Royal Edinburgh Bank) and a fair portion of English
folk wouldn't be able to tell you it's a fake.

And that's exactly why many retailers will be unhappy accepting the
notes.

With BoE notes, it at least has to look like a BoE note!


The BoE notes also have safety features such as foil on the surface,
ultraviolet labelling etc which the Scottish notes don't have, making
Scottish notes easier to counterfeit. There is little point in the BoE
introducing these features if shops were legally required to accept
Scottish notes that don't have them.

Mizter T August 11th 10 05:07 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

On Aug 11, 5:16*pm, Paul Terry wrote:

In message , Basil Jet
writes

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence,


No. The fare is quoted in sterling and they are offering to pay in
sterling.


I'm not sure what the problem is here - you've quite clearly outlined
the whole legal tender issue after all.

Look, if anyone's got a load of Scottish notes they don't want I will
happily take them off your hands - I'll even come and get them, no
problem!

Mizter T August 11th 10 05:10 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

On Aug 11, 5:19*pm, Mike Bristow wrote:

Basil Jet wrote:

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence,


No. *Provided that there is no intention to make off without paying
(and offering actual folding cash which is rebuffed by the driver
is a pretty good defence!) then there is no crime.


If this situation ever arose, a copper would just tell the cabbie to
stop being so bloody stupid!


and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?


Anything mutually agreeable can be used to settle the debt at the
roadside.


Indeed - they can even do it in the bushes if they prefer...

[email protected] August 11th 10 07:44 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 11/08/2010 14:17, Clive wrote:
In message , d writes
Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage
checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale
tenners and see where it gets you.

ICBW but do I remember payphones and some shops taking Euros in Waterloo
station when the Eurostar went there?

They take them all over town, indeed.

[email protected] August 11th 10 07:47 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 11/08/2010 14:49, Mike Bristow wrote:
In ,
d wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
wrote:
When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds,
they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency
in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she
has never seen a note like it before?


Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes?


English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English
banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them
every day.

The same is not true of Scottish notes.

What if she were threatened with
the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal?


If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could
take them to court for unfair dismissal.


Not if the pub's policy was "no Scottish banknotes please - we're English".

Many London pubs in years past did not accept Northern Irish notes, and
would have a sign stating just that. I guess that this was because of
the bank heist a few years back but, AIUI, many retailers in England are
still reluctant to accept them.

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

Paul Scott August 11th 10 07:58 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 


wrote in message
news:o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane...

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.


The first thing the barman would do is ask for another couple of quid I
expect...

Paul S


Roland Perry August 11th 10 08:07 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.


The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
--
Roland Perry

Tim Roll-Pickering August 11th 10 08:58 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
d wrote:

And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes
which are legal tender all over the UK?


No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales.


So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.


That is the case.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ut/faqs.htm#16

http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx



[email protected] August 11th 10 09:02 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote:
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.


The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.

Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?

Tim Roll-Pickering August 11th 10 09:06 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
1506 wrote:

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?


Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in
this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a
weekend in London.


One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly.
I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had
nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess
which one he took!


He had a third - drive you to the nearest cash point and you could have got
some English notes. A lot of cabbies will accept this (and keep the meter
running while you do) as the best way to handle people who find themselves
short or in an awkward situation.

But if he were to take the fourth option then technically you would have had
an undischarged debt.



Epicentre August 12th 10 04:26 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
" wrote in news:TdE8o.107063
$X%4.89772@hurricane:

On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote:
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.


The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.

Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?


"Sorry mate. Can't buy beer with those - Scotch only" :-)

Roland Perry August 12th 10 07:33 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11
Aug 2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.


The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.

Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?


He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".
--
Roland Perry

Steve Dulieu August 12th 10 08:01 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.

Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several
Scottish one-pound notes?


He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".


On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in the UK
lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they pour it? old
git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would add the round as you
went along & inform the punter of the damage as you handed him/her the last
drink. Today, the process seems to be serve drinks then prod listlessly at
the till, sometimes asking the punter to remind them what they've just
served them, until enlightenment dawns and a sum of money is requested. And
then asks the sodding great queue that's formed "who's next?" then wonders
why some people get a bit upset! /old git mode
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change jealous to sad to reply.


Paul Terry[_2_] August 12th 10 09:37 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
In message
,
Mizter T writes

What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on
the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a
very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter
most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to
do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's
all!


Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with
"fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the
English language.
--
Paul Terry

Basil Jet[_2_] August 12th 10 11:15 AM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 2010\08\12 09:01, Steve Dulieu wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11
Aug 2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?


He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".


On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in
the UK lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they
pour it? old git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would
add the round as you went along & inform the punter of the damage as you
handed him/her the last drink. Today, the process seems to be serve
drinks then prod listlessly at the till, sometimes asking the punter to
remind them what they've just served them, until enlightenment dawns and
a sum of money is requested. And then asks the sodding great queue
that's formed "who's next?" then wonders why some people get a bit
upset! /old git mode


For stocktaking purposes, they might be required to enter a code for
each drink rather than just prices.

bob[_2_] August 12th 10 12:26 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 
On 11 Aug, 17:05, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:

In message , Basil Jet
writes


On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.


You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?


It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.


If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.


That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.


So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?


The situation is quite simple. If you wish to pay for something in
advance, you can come to any agreement with the vendor you like. For
example, many vendors refuse to accept Bank of England £50 notes. You
could pay with a big pile of penny sweets if the vendor chooses to
accept them.

If you have a debt, you can settle it with any form of payment
provided the creditor is prepared to accept it, including the
aforementionned penny sweets. The notion of legal tender has no
bearing on this.

The main reason legal tender law exists is to stop creditors imposing
(contracutally agreed) extra fees for late payment by refusing to
accept payment offered. The best (real) example of this was the
protest some Oxford students made when tuition fees were first
introduced in the late '90s. Having refused to pay them for a couple
of terms, the college said the students would be sent down (expelled)
if they did not pay up. The students all turned up at the college
office with a wheel barrow full of 1000 £1 coins each. As the £1 coin
is legal tender for any amount (throughout the UK), because they had
offered legal tender in settlement of the debt, it would have been
unlawful of the college to send them down (even if the college had
refused to accept the wheelbarrow loads of £1 coins, though in this
case they accepted the payment).

Robin

Mizter T August 12th 10 01:01 PM

Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
 

On Aug 12, 10:37*am, Paul Terry wrote:

In message
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Mizter T writes

What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on
the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a
very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter
most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to
do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's
all!


Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with
"fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the
English language.


Indeed. I try and avoid using phrases I don't properly understand, but
'legal tender' is one where I was aware of the complexities thereof
and so avoid using for that reason.

(I think sometimes it gets all confuddled with the Coinage Act 1971
rules which define legal tender vis-a-vis making payments with coins -
e.g. 20p and 50p coins can make a payment of up to £10 - but again,
when you're paying off your credit card bill or overdraft with bags of
coins the bank is only concerned about getting the money, though the
cashier might be a bit miffed about the queue forming behind you! [1])

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[1] That said, yes I know banks do have rules about how much coinage
they handle, but they're not going to start repossessing your home if
you can pay what's required, even if that is £50 in 50p's.


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