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Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:08:43 +0100
Paul Terry wrote: When purchasing an item, the vendor is free to accept or refuse any type of payment they wish. It is only in cases where a debt has been run-up (such as consuming a meal in a restaurant before paying for it) that legal tender becomes relevant. Whatever. I just would like to be able to go into a shop anywhere in the UK and use notes from anywhere in the UK without eyebrows being raised or the shop assistant refusing to take them. We don't have that with our current system. B2003 |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:19:37 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote: In article , d wrote: Yes , but the parties in question should be you and the company running the shop, not you and girl behind the till. The company will know that scottish notes are legal tender but unfortunately people on the shop floor sometimes get confused. Or are just plain thick. a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI) Since when? And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes which are legal tender all over the UK? In short: if someone rejects a scottish note, in a part of the country where they're not particularly common, they're being perfectly reasonable. No they're not. B2003 |
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Welsh money, was: Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
1506 wrote in
: Sadly there is no currency valid in Wales that has the names Wales or Cymru on it! There are some Welsh-themed pound coins, and one that refers to 'my country' in Welsh around the edge. And given that this year's issues include ones with the coats of arms of London and Belfast, I suspect next year we might see Cardiff (and Edinburgh). But none of these actually say 'Wales' or 'Cymru', I think. There was a 1981 25p (crown) coin issued which the word 'Wales' on it, albeit preceded by 'Prince of', and similarly there is a 1998 £5 coin with the same chap's name. I believe these are still legal tender. And then there's the banknotes of the Black Sheep Company of Wales Limited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknot..._Company_of_Wa les_Limited. Peter -- | Peter Campbell Smith | Epsom | UK | |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:59:55 +0100
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: a) they're not legal tender (in England & Wales and NI) Since when? Since always. They're not legal tender in Scotland either for that matter. And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes which are legal tender all over the UK? No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales. So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the other one. B2003 |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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d wrote: So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the other one. Correct. See, for example, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7203378.stm and http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. -- Mike Bristow |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100
Clive wrote: When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds, they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she has never seen a note like it before? Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes? What if she were threatened with the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal? If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could take them to court for unfair dismissal. B2003 |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
In , d wrote: So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the other one. Correct. See, for example, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7203378.stm and http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis? |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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d wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100 Clive wrote: When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds, they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she has never seen a note like it before? Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes? English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them every day. The same is not true of Scottish notes. What if she were threatened with the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal? If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could take them to court for unfair dismissal. Not if the pub's policy was "no Scottish banknotes please - we're English". -- Mike Bristow |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message , Basil Jet
writes On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote: This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis? It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes to court. If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he cannot be successfully sued for the debt. That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't. -- Paul Terry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message , at 18:47:03 on Tue,
10 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked: Several commercial banks in Hong Kong issue their own banknotes in addition to those issued by the government there I have one here issued by the "Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation". I wonder if they have a snappier name these days, hmm, H-S-B-C might be a candidate? -- Roland Perry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed,
11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked: So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Correct. Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there? -- Roland Perry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Basil Jet writes On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote: This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis? It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes to court. If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he cannot be successfully sued for the debt. That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't. So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:49:31 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote: In article , d wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100 Clive wrote: When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds, they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she has never seen a note like it before? Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes? English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them every day. The same is not true of Scottish notes. I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for 2 seconds. B2003 |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Aug 11, 8:05*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Basil Jet writes On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote: This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis? It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes to court. If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he cannot be successfully sued for the debt. That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't. So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a weekend in London. One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly. I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess which one he took! |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message , Roland Perry
writes In message , at 14:25:37 on Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Paul Terry remarked: So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Correct. Surely Bank of England notes/coins are legal tender there? Bank of England notes below the value of five pounds (i.e. ten-shilling and one pound notes) were once legal tender in Scotland, but now that they no longer exist, no banknotes are legal tender in Scotland. Coins are, though. As has been said repeatedly, "legal tender" in the UK is a highly specialised concept that very few people will ever encounter. See: http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/legal_position.php -- Paul Terry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message , Basil Jet
writes So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, No. The fare is quoted in sterling and they are offering to pay in sterling. -- Paul Terry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
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d wrote: I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for 2 seconds. It wouldn't have to be a good forgery of a scottish note. I reckon you can design your own series of notes from a fictional scottish bank (say, the Royal Edinburgh Bank) and a fair portion of English folk wouldn't be able to tell you it's a fake. And that's exactly why many retailers will be unhappy accepting the notes. With BoE notes, it at least has to look like a BoE note! -- Mike Bristow |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In article ,
Basil Jet wrote: So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, No. Provided that there is no intention to make off without paying (and offering actual folding cash which is rebuffed by the driver is a pretty good defence!) then there is no crime. and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? Anything mutually agreeable can be used to settle the debt at the roadside. -- Mike Bristow |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 2010\08\11 17:17, Mike Bristow wrote:
In , d wrote: I doubt anyone could spot a good forgery of a bank of england note without specialist equipment these days. Certainly not simply by "fondling" it for 2 seconds. It wouldn't have to be a good forgery of a scottish note. I reckon you can design your own series of notes from a fictional scottish bank (say, the Royal Edinburgh Bank) and a fair portion of English folk wouldn't be able to tell you it's a fake. And that's exactly why many retailers will be unhappy accepting the notes. With BoE notes, it at least has to look like a BoE note! The BoE notes also have safety features such as foil on the surface, ultraviolet labelling etc which the Scottish notes don't have, making Scottish notes easier to counterfeit. There is little point in the BoE introducing these features if shops were legally required to accept Scottish notes that don't have them. |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Aug 11, 5:16*pm, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Basil Jet writes So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, No. The fare is quoted in sterling and they are offering to pay in sterling. I'm not sure what the problem is here - you've quite clearly outlined the whole legal tender issue after all. Look, if anyone's got a load of Scottish notes they don't want I will happily take them off your hands - I'll even come and get them, no problem! |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On Aug 11, 5:19*pm, Mike Bristow wrote: Basil Jet wrote: So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, No. *Provided that there is no intention to make off without paying (and offering actual folding cash which is rebuffed by the driver is a pretty good defence!) then there is no crime. If this situation ever arose, a copper would just tell the cabbie to stop being so bloody stupid! and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? Anything mutually agreeable can be used to settle the debt at the roadside. Indeed - they can even do it in the bushes if they prefer... |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 11/08/2010 14:17, Clive wrote:
In message , d writes Thats all very well, but try having that discussion with some teenage checkout girl in a london tesco when she refuses to take some Clydesdale tenners and see where it gets you. ICBW but do I remember payphones and some shops taking Euros in Waterloo station when the Eurostar went there? They take them all over town, indeed. |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 11/08/2010 14:49, Mike Bristow wrote:
In , d wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:13 +0100 wrote: When I take foreign notes into my bank (Barclay's) for refund in pounds, they take the precaution of checking them against pictures of currency in a big book. Could you expect a barmaid in Bristol to do this it she has never seen a note like it before? Exactly how many pubs check for the validity of english bank notes? English bar staff are likely to be reasonably familiar with English banknotes, seeing as they fondle fairly large quantities of them every day. The same is not true of Scottish notes. What if she were threatened with the sack for accepting anything she didn't know to be legal? If the pub didn't provide her with a method of checking them then she could take them to court for unfair dismissal. Not if the pub's policy was "no Scottish banknotes please - we're English". Many London pubs in years past did not accept Northern Irish notes, and would have a sign stating just that. I guess that this was because of the bank heist a few years back but, AIUI, many retailers in England are still reluctant to accept them. I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. |
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wrote in message news:o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane... I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The first thing the barman would do is ask for another couple of quid I expect... Paul S |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. -- Roland Perry |
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d wrote:
And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes which are legal tender all over the UK? No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales. So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the other one. That is the case. http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ut/faqs.htm#16 http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx |
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On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote:
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug 2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several Scottish one-pound notes? |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
1506 wrote:
So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a weekend in London. One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly. I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess which one he took! He had a third - drive you to the nearest cash point and you could have got some English notes. A lot of cabbies will accept this (and keep the meter running while you do) as the best way to handle people who find themselves short or in an awkward situation. But if he were to take the fourth option then technically you would have had an undischarged debt. |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
" wrote in news:TdE8o.107063
$X%4.89772@hurricane: On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote: In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug 2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several Scottish one-pound notes? "Sorry mate. Can't buy beer with those - Scotch only" :-) |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11
Aug 2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several Scottish one-pound notes? He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept those". -- Roland Perry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11 Aug 2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several Scottish one-pound notes? He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept those". On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in the UK lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they pour it? old git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would add the round as you went along & inform the punter of the damage as you handed him/her the last drink. Today, the process seems to be serve drinks then prod listlessly at the till, sometimes asking the punter to remind them what they've just served them, until enlightenment dawns and a sum of money is requested. And then asks the sodding great queue that's formed "who's next?" then wonders why some people get a bit upset! /old git mode -- Cheers, Steve. Change jealous to sad to reply. |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
In message
, Mizter T writes What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's all! Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with "fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the English language. -- Paul Terry |
Does London Underground accept Euros anywhere?
On 2010\08\12 09:01, Steve Dulieu wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11 Aug 2010, " remarked: I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a Scottish one-pound note. The barman would probably say they were about £2 short. Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several Scottish one-pound notes? He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept those". On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in the UK lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they pour it? old git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would add the round as you went along & inform the punter of the damage as you handed him/her the last drink. Today, the process seems to be serve drinks then prod listlessly at the till, sometimes asking the punter to remind them what they've just served them, until enlightenment dawns and a sum of money is requested. And then asks the sodding great queue that's formed "who's next?" then wonders why some people get a bit upset! /old git mode For stocktaking purposes, they might be required to enter a code for each drink rather than just prices. |
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On 11 Aug, 17:05, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Basil Jet writes On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote: This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal tender was necessary. You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis? It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes to court. If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he cannot be successfully sued for the debt. That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't. So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi driver, namely English notes and British coins? The situation is quite simple. If you wish to pay for something in advance, you can come to any agreement with the vendor you like. For example, many vendors refuse to accept Bank of England £50 notes. You could pay with a big pile of penny sweets if the vendor chooses to accept them. If you have a debt, you can settle it with any form of payment provided the creditor is prepared to accept it, including the aforementionned penny sweets. The notion of legal tender has no bearing on this. The main reason legal tender law exists is to stop creditors imposing (contracutally agreed) extra fees for late payment by refusing to accept payment offered. The best (real) example of this was the protest some Oxford students made when tuition fees were first introduced in the late '90s. Having refused to pay them for a couple of terms, the college said the students would be sent down (expelled) if they did not pay up. The students all turned up at the college office with a wheel barrow full of 1000 £1 coins each. As the £1 coin is legal tender for any amount (throughout the UK), because they had offered legal tender in settlement of the debt, it would have been unlawful of the college to send them down (even if the college had refused to accept the wheelbarrow loads of £1 coins, though in this case they accepted the payment). Robin |
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On Aug 12, 10:37*am, Paul Terry wrote: In message , Mizter T writes What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's all! Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with "fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the English language. Indeed. I try and avoid using phrases I don't properly understand, but 'legal tender' is one where I was aware of the complexities thereof and so avoid using for that reason. (I think sometimes it gets all confuddled with the Coinage Act 1971 rules which define legal tender vis-a-vis making payments with coins - e.g. 20p and 50p coins can make a payment of up to £10 - but again, when you're paying off your credit card bill or overdraft with bags of coins the bank is only concerned about getting the money, though the cashier might be a bit miffed about the queue forming behind you! [1]) ----- [1] That said, yes I know banks do have rules about how much coinage they handle, but they're not going to start repossessing your home if you can pay what's required, even if that is £50 in 50p's. |
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