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As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform
side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? |
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On Jul 31, 7:44*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
Anyone know when it will open? I have a clue but if I reveal the date I will be shot by the press office. *Let us just say the time until it does open is measured in weeks rather than months. I am in the same position. I know the date - and have been involved with some of the controls systems work - but it is also not appropriate for me to post the program dates. Sorry, OP, there are occasions when ones professional responsibilities have to over-ride crank interests. -- Nick |
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On 31 July, 20:39, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 31, 7:44*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: Anyone know when it will open? I have a clue but if I reveal the date I will be shot by the press office. *Let us just say the time until it does open is measured in weeks rather than months. I am in the same position. I know the date - and have been involved with some of the controls systems work - but it is also not appropriate for me to post the program dates. Sorry, OP, there are occasions when ones professional responsibilities have to over-ride crank interests. -- Nick Um, why the secrecy? Is it the same reason why we don't when the new DLR section will open? |
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On Aug 2, 3:05*pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 31 July, 20:39, D7666 wrote: On Jul 31, 7:44*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: Anyone know when it will open? I have a clue but if I reveal the date I will be shot by the press office. *Let us just say the time until it does open is measured in weeks rather than months. I am in the same position. I know the date - and have been involved with some of the controls systems work - but it is also not appropriate for me to post the program dates. Sorry, OP, there are occasions when ones professional responsibilities have to over-ride crank interests. Um, why the secrecy? Is it the same reason why we don't when the new DLR section will open? Platform 3a will open on Saturday 21 August, whilst the DLR extension will open on Saturday 9 October. Please do note however that I've pulled both of the above dates out of a metaphorical hat. |
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On 31 July, 16:08, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? So, how many platforms will Stratford have when completed? They now seem to be numbered 1-17, but 4 and 7 don't exist, and 3a, 4a, 4b and 10a need to be added, making 19 in total, serving 18 tracks; is that correct? Quite a change from when I first got to know the station in the '70s, when 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 were the only ones which saw other than occasional use. Even 1 and 2 were only used by the little-known service from north Woolwich to Tottenham Hale. Does anybody know when platforms 12 and the old 13 were closed, and the part of the subway leading to them was bricked up? When the old subway was being cleaned up, the wall removed and the steps up to the platform re-built an old poster frame had been dragged out of one of the doorways leading off this subway, along with some rotten wood, and there was the remains of a timetable on it, which listed a few trains to Hertford East from platform 12, but I couldn't see any date on it. I always knew that the station, and the area in general, was going to see a change in its fortunes. The station really was in a terrible state at that time, despite the fact that it was only about 25 years since the last refurbishment fot the Central Line extension and the Shenfield electrification. |
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On 2 Aug, 15:37, wrote:
On 31 July, 16:08, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? So, how many platforms will Stratford have when completed? *They now seem to be numbered 1-17, but 4 and 7 don't exist, and 3a, 4a, 4b and 10a need to be added, making 19 in total, serving 18 tracks; is that correct? *Quite a change from when I first got to know the station in the '70s, when 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 were the only ones which saw other than occasional use. *Even 1 and 2 were only used by the little-known service from north Woolwich to Tottenham Hale. Does anybody know when platforms 12 and the old 13 were closed, and the part of the subway leading to them was bricked up? *When the old subway was being cleaned up, the wall removed and the steps up to the platform re-built an old poster frame had been dragged out of one of the doorways leading off this subway, along with some rotten wood, and there was the remains of a timetable on it, which listed a few trains to Hertford East from platform 12, but I couldn't see any date on it. I always knew that the station, and the area in general, was going to see a change in its fortunes. *The station really was in a terrible state at that time, despite the fact that it was only about 25 years since the last refurbishment fot the Central Line extension and the Shenfield electrification. 1 and 2 London Overground 3, 3a and 6 Central line (3 and 3a same track) 4a and 4b DLR via Bow Church 5 and 8 Shenfield services 9 and 10 Mainline services (beyond Shenfield) (10a not used except during engineering works?) 11 and 12 Tottenham Hale/Stansted services 13, 14 and 15 Jubilee line 16 and 17 DLR Stratford International/West Ham 18 platforms in regular service, serving 17 tracks, with a 19th platform serving an 18th track in occasional use (actually are both DLR platform 4s in regular use?) |
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"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message news:62d5b9a7-28be-4111-bbba- (actually are both DLR platform 4s in regular use?) Yes - 4a and 4b seem to be used alternately in the normal weekday timetable. Paul S |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:04:21 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:
"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message news:62d5b9a7-28be-4111-bbba- (actually are both DLR platform 4s in regular use?) Yes - 4a and 4b seem to be used alternately in the normal weekday timetable. Paul S Yes, during the day (though frustratingly, not at the peak) there's a 5 minute interval service where one train pulls into one platform, and another train pulls out of the other platform, which means that there's always a train in the station, and no mad rush for seats with people trying to get on while people are getting off. I think I'm right in saying that during those times, there's only service as far as Canary Wharf when running this system. |
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On 2 Aug, 15:44, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 2 Aug, 15:37, wrote: On 31 July, 16:08, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? So, how many platforms will Stratford have when completed? *They now seem to be numbered 1-17, but 4 and 7 don't exist, and 3a, 4a, 4b and 10a need to be added, making 19 in total, serving 18 tracks; is that correct? *Quite a change from when I first got to know the station in the '70s, when 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 were the only ones which saw other than occasional use. *Even 1 and 2 were only used by the little-known service from north Woolwich to Tottenham Hale. Does anybody know when platforms 12 and the old 13 were closed, and the part of the subway leading to them was bricked up? *When the old subway was being cleaned up, the wall removed and the steps up to the platform re-built an old poster frame had been dragged out of one of the doorways leading off this subway, along with some rotten wood, and there was the remains of a timetable on it, which listed a few trains to Hertford East from platform 12, but I couldn't see any date on it. I always knew that the station, and the area in general, was going to see a change in its fortunes. *The station really was in a terrible state at that time, despite the fact that it was only about 25 years since the last refurbishment fot the Central Line extension and the Shenfield electrification. 1 and 2 London Overground 3, 3a and 6 Central line (3 and 3a same track) 4a and 4b DLR via Bow Church 5 and 8 Shenfield services 9 and 10 Mainline services (beyond Shenfield) (10a not used except during engineering works?) 11 and 12 Tottenham Hale/Stansted services 13, 14 and 15 Jubilee line 16 and 17 DLR Stratford International/West Ham 18 platforms in regular service, serving 17 tracks, with a 19th platform serving an 18th track in occasional use (actually are both DLR platform 4s in regular use?) How are the platforms at Internationaal numbered/lettered? |
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Greetings.
In article , Dr. Sunil wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? I noticed this as well. Am I correct in assuming that this will be part of a Spanish platform system? If so, will either of the platforms be exclusively for ingress or egress? Or will one or both platform afford both embarkation and disembarkation? Regards, Tristan -- _ _V.-o Tristan Miller Space is limited / |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In a haiku, so it's hard (7_\\ http://www.nothingisreal.com/ To finish what you |
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On 2 Aug, 19:17, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 31 July, 20:39, D7666 wrote: On Jul 31, 7:44*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: Anyone know when it will open? I have a clue but if I reveal the date I will be shot by the press office. *Let us just say the time until it does open is measured in weeks rather than months. I am in the same position. I know the date - and have been involved with some of the controls systems work - but it is also not appropriate for me to post the program dates. Sorry, OP, there are occasions when ones professional responsibilities have to over-ride crank interests. Um, why the secrecy? Is it the same reason why we don't when the new DLR section will open? Read the relevant papers on the TfL website re the DLR - I repeated the date of 20/9/10 which I am sure is in one of their documents. checks http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-Operational-F... see page 69 of the above document. *Also look at the status that is shown against the "open for service" milestone. *The info is in the public domain if you people search for it. Without sounding rude I think you need to understand that some of us are bound by strict codes of conduct at work and "errors" are not tolerated if you're a senior manager. I don't think I need to say anymore?! -- Paul C scratching head quizzically If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? |
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On 3 Aug, 09:50, Tristan Miller wrote:
Greetings. In article ,Dr. Sunil wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? I noticed this as well. *Am I correct in assuming that this will be part of a Spanish platform system? *If so, will either of the platforms be exclusively for ingress or egress? *Or will one or both platform afford both embarkation and disembarkation? Regards, Tristan -- * *_ * _V.-o * * * *Tristan Miller * * * * * *Space is limited */ |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * *In a haiku, so it's hard (7_\\ *http://www.nothingisreal.com/* *To finish what you I think the idea is to have one side ingress-only and vice versa. Not sure which side though! There is a cross-platform interchange to consider too (platform 5 for Liverpool Street). |
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On 31 July, 19:44, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:08:46 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? I have a clue but if I reveal the date I will be shot by the press office. *Let us just say the time until it does open is measured in weeks rather than months. -- Paul C Platform 3a....must have platform 3a.... March 2009: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._look_east.JPG January 2010: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ook_eas t.JPG 31 May 2010: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi... _May_2010.JPG 31 July 2010: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._July_2010.JPG |
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"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message ... I think the idea is to have one side ingress-only and vice versa. Not sure which side though! There is a cross-platform interchange to consider too (platform 5 for Liverpool Street). Just can't see it I'm afraid... Unless you assume all arriving Central Line pax never wish to use P5 into Liverpool St mainline, (that always seems to be a two way exchange to me too), and you also assume that no-one from the DLR or Jubilee, or off the street wants to board the Central Line by the most obvious direct route? Seems to me that the new P3A will effectively become the default westbound Central Line platform for entries from the street, and P3 will become the subsidiary side for cross platform connection to/from NXEA on P5. The primary benefit seems to be to increase the options for people waiting for the Central line westbound. One problem anticipated in previous discussions is pax using a stopped Central Line train as a short cut from P5 to the southern concourse. I can't see how that would be stopped even with the obvious one way system! No doubt somewhere there is a document that predicts/explains all the expected flows - it will be useful when it all goes wrong... Paul S |
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On Aug 3, 12:53 pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 2 Aug, 19:17, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil": [snip] Um, why the secrecy? Is it the same reason why we don't when the new DLR section will open? Read the relevant papers on the TfL website re the DLR - I repeated the date of 20/9/10 which I am sure is in one of their documents. checks http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-June-2010.pdf see page 69 of the above document. Also look at the status that is shown against the "open for service" milestone. The info is in the public domain if you people search for it. Without sounding rude I think you need to understand that some of us are bound by strict codes of conduct at work and "errors" are not tolerated if you're a senior manager. I don't think I need to say anymore?! scratching head quizzically If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? He doesn't - it's information that isn't in the public domain that puts Paul in fear of the enforcers of the legendary LU black-ops unit (full of moonlighting RPIs earning a bit of cash-in-hand 'overtime' - apparently they love it because they're no longer constrained by the normal rules of engagement...). If you read the whole thread you'll see there are two separate issues - the opening of the Central line platform at Stratford, and the opening of the DLR extension. |
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On Aug 3, 3:13*pm, Mike Bristow wrote: Dr. Sunil wrote: If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? He probably wouldn't. *But it would take some time and effort to find out if the information is in the public domain - which he might want to do before posting it here, Just In Case. And that doesn't cover the case where the public info is X, but the internal info is Y... There are two separate bits of information being discussed in this thread - that's the v. simple explanation. |
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On 3 Aug, 20:35, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:53:18 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: scratching head quizzically If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? sigh You raised two questions - platform 3a and then DLR. I have a good idea about platform 3a but that is *not* in the public domain Why not? It's hardly state secret - is it? and I can't share that info. * Why not? Maybe Wikileaks can step in! You then commented about multiple rumoured dates for DLR to Stratford International and said we (the public) had not been told. I simply pointed you to publicly available info from TfL that does have a date. Ooops my apologies! We shall see if the team at DLR and their contractors meet that date in due course. *I hope they do as I'm on hols then and a first day ride would be very nice! It would be nice to be able to approach Stratford International from the Channelsea side! |
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On 4 Aug, 20:18, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 3 Aug, 20:35, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:53:18 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: scratching head quizzically If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? sigh You raised two questions - platform 3a and then DLR. I have a good idea about platform 3a but that is *not* in the public domain Why not? It's hardly state secret - is it? I can't work out if you're being deliberately obtuse or you just don't understand. *We have a code of conduct at work - if you breach it you can be sacked. Surely you have a duty to your customers? I've had two scrapes with the press people over Oyster stuff I posted here. To be frank I'm not going through that experience again. If it ain't a state secret then I'm sure you will be able to tell me when it is going to open! No it ain't a state secret then I'm sure you will be able to tell all of us when it's going to open, given you work for LUL! |
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On 2 Aug, 23:30, wrote:
On 2 Aug, 15:44, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 2 Aug, 15:37, wrote: On 31 July, 16:08, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: As of this morning, a lot of the clutter and barricades (platform side) had been removed from the new Central westbound platform (3a), though the concourse accesses were still blocked off by hoardings. Anyone know when it will open? So, how many platforms will Stratford have when completed? *They now seem to be numbered 1-17, but 4 and 7 don't exist, and 3a, 4a, 4b and 10a need to be added, making 19 in total, serving 18 tracks; is that correct? *Quite a change from when I first got to know the station in the '70s, when 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 were the only ones which saw other than occasional use. *Even 1 and 2 were only used by the little-known service from north Woolwich to Tottenham Hale. Does anybody know when platforms 12 and the old 13 were closed, and the part of the subway leading to them was bricked up? *When the old subway was being cleaned up, the wall removed and the steps up to the platform re-built an old poster frame had been dragged out of one of the doorways leading off this subway, along with some rotten wood, and there was the remains of a timetable on it, which listed a few trains to Hertford East from platform 12, but I couldn't see any date on it. I always knew that the station, and the area in general, was going to see a change in its fortunes. *The station really was in a terrible state at that time, despite the fact that it was only about 25 years since the last refurbishment fot the Central Line extension and the Shenfield electrification. 1 and 2 London Overground 3, 3a and 6 Central line (3 and 3a same track) 4a and 4b DLR via Bow Church 5 and 8 Shenfield services 9 and 10 Mainline services (beyond Shenfield) (10a not used except during engineering works?) 11 and 12 Tottenham Hale/Stansted services 13, 14 and 15 Jubilee line 16 and 17 DLR Stratford International/West Ham 18 platforms in regular service, serving 17 tracks, with a 19th platform serving an 18th track in occasional use (actually are both DLR platform 4s in regular use?) How are the platforms at Internationaal numbered/lettered? The mainline station platforms are numbered 1 to 4. Two extra fast tracks, not served by any platforms, pass through in between the tracks with platforms. A seventh track rises up in between platforms 2 and 3 to access Temple Mills Depot to the northeast of the station. I presume the DLR station, being in a separate building, will have its own numbers/letters (probably the latter?). |
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On Aug 5, 12:33*pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 4 Aug, 20:18, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 3 Aug, 20:35, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:53:18 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: scratching head quizzically If the info is in the public domain why on earth would you get into trouble for divulging said info here???? sigh You raised two questions - platform 3a and then DLR. I have a good idea about platform 3a but that is *not* in the public domain Why not? It's hardly state secret - is it? I can't work out if you're being deliberately obtuse or you just don't understand. *We have a code of conduct at work - if you breach it you can be sacked. Surely you have a duty to your customers? So now we know you are being deliberately obtuse then. As you well know Paul doesn't post here in any official capacity, and people hassling him like this on here are only likely to result in him backing away from, or just opting out of, involvement in this group. I've had two scrapes with the press people over Oyster stuff I posted here. To be frank I'm not going through that experience again. If it ain't a state secret then I'm sure you will be able to tell me when it is going to open! No it ain't a state secret then I'm sure you will be able to tell all of us when it's going to open, given you work for LUL! 'Company confidential' is as good as a state secret when breaching it means your meal ticket's on the line. Why on earth do you need to know so desperately anyway? The second platform will open sometime soon, when it does you'll be able to go and put your feet on the hallowed surface and discover that it's much like any other platform, i.e. made of pink bouncy rubber and stuck together with treacle. |
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On 5 Aug, 13:02, Mizter T wrote:
Why on earth do you need to know so desperately anyway? The second platform will open sometime soon, when it does you'll be able to go and put your feet on the hallowed surface and discover that it's much like any other platform, i.e. made of pink bouncy rubber and stuck together with treacle. I've emailed TfL directly, thank you. |
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On 5 Aug, 12:38, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
I presume the DLR station, being in a separate building, will have its own numbers/letters (probably the latter?).- Hide quoted text - Separate building? Couldn't they have built the main station to take the DLR as well? |
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wrote in message ... On 5 Aug, 12:38, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: I presume the DLR station, being in a separate building, will have its own numbers/letters (probably the latter?).- Hide quoted text - Separate building? Couldn't they have built the main station to take the DLR as well? The decision to run the DLR beyond Stratford had probably not been made when the International station was being designed? The latter was finished about 3 years ago, when they had only just got round to the NLL closure for update to DLR, and the DLR track's general direction was constrained by being where the old low level NLL had been. I'm not so sure about running the DLR into the same building either - as most of it sits over the station box, and it has pedestrian access at both ends? Paul S |
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wrote in message ... On 5 Aug, 12:38, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: I presume the DLR station, being in a separate building, will have its own numbers/letters (probably the latter?).- Hide quoted text - Separate building? Couldn't they have built the main station to take the DLR as well? The decision to run the DLR beyond Stratford had probably not been made when the International station was being designed? The latter was finished about 3 years ago, when they had only just got round to the NLL closure for update to DLR, and the DLR track's general approach was constrained by being where the old low level NLL had been. AIUI an approach on the surface on the north side of the HS1 station box was the only sensible option, as there are buildings on the south side, and therefore the DLR also had to rise to the surface before crossing HS1 I'm not so sure about running the DLR into the same building either - as most of it sits over the station box, and it has pedestrian access at both ends? Also - is the DLR's primary role to feed the international station, or the housing development to the north, ie the Olympic Village in legacy mode? Paul S |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:42:04 +0100
"Paul Scott" wrote: The decision to run the DLR beyond Stratford had probably not been made when the International station was being designed? The latter was finished about 3 years ago, when they had only just got round to the NLL closure for update to DLR, and the DLR track's general direction was constrained by being where the old low level NLL had been. Am I the only one who thinks the DLR is big enough already given its limited design specifications? Its already one hell of a shlep from bank to city airport on trains which barely seem to get above 25mph these days. If it wants to become a proper metro it'll need proper trains and not have stations almost as often as bus stops. B2003 |
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On 5 Aug, 15:56, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:42:04 +0100 "Paul Scott" wrote: The decision to run the DLR beyond Stratford had probably not been made when the International station was being designed? *The latter was finished about 3 years ago, when they had only just got round to the NLL closure for update to DLR, and the DLR track's general direction was constrained by being where the old low level NLL had been. Space could be provided above the mainline tracks using a covered way, but it'll be tight squeeze coming off the former NLL alignment. Am I the only one who thinks the DLR is big enough already given its limited design specifications? Its already one hell of a shlep from bank to city airport on trains which barely seem to get above 25mph these days.. If it wants to become a proper metro it'll need proper trains and not have stations almost as often as bus stops. B2003 I cannot understand the close spacing between West India Quay*/Canary Wharf/Heron Quays. One any other railway they'd have just built Canary Wharf (longer platforms perhaps), with additional accesses north and south across each Quay. (*even more so given the skip-stop service on some Bank-Lewisham service (peaks?)). |
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On 5 Aug, 13:09, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 5 Aug, 13:02, Mizter T wrote: Why on earth do you need to know so desperately anyway? The second platform will open sometime soon, when it does you'll be able to go and put your feet on the hallowed surface and discover that it's much like any other platform, i.e. made of pink bouncy rubber and stuck together with treacle. I've emailed TfL directly, thank you. I commend TfL on their speed of response (~2 hours!): It would appear that both the Central Line platform and the DLR extension will be opening in mid to late September. |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
"Dr. Sunil" wrote: I cannot understand the close spacing between West India Quay*/Canary Wharf/Heron Quays. One any other railway they'd have just built Canary Wharf (longer platforms perhaps), with additional accesses north and I don't understand it either. Not only does it slow the service down unnecessarily but those 2 extra stations must have cost a fortune over the years. B2003 |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil"
wrote: I cannot understand the close spacing between West India Quay*/Canary Wharf/Heron Quays. There is so much that you "cannot understand". Perhaps you should do a little more research rather than instantly jump to the conclusion that you "cannot understand". One any other railway they'd have just built Canary Wharf (longer platforms perhaps), with additional accesses north and south across each Quay. When the line was built, Canary Wharf did not exist as anything other than a disused wharf. Until the Reichmann brothers came along with proposals to develop Canary Wharf into what it is today, there was no need for a station at Canary Wharf at all. The DLR was built as an ultra-low cost light railway, and anything that wasn't needed was not included. Heron Quays and West India Quays were both developed early and got stations. When Canary Wharf station was built, it had to go between the two existing stations. That's why the three are so close together. Once again, the cost of making all three into one much larger station spanning wide expanses of water would not have been economic. (*even more so given the skip-stop service on some Bank-Lewisham service (peaks?)). In those days, the Lewisham extension hadn't even been planned, let alone started. Once again, you seem to think that people designing the DLR in the mid-1980s should have been able to predict the exact future course of development decades ahead ... The truth is that no-one could have foreseen what would eventually happen at Canary Wharf. The idea came completely out of the blue. It was quite out of keeping with the then-current plans for Docklands, which were for low- and medium-rise, low density development with the primary objective of providing jobs for local people who were made redundant when the docks and other associated local businesses closed. The DLR was designed to support this objective. So why on earth build a grandiose station for a quay (Canary Wharf) which wasn't expected to be developed? No doubt you will have some smart-arse response to all this. But I suggest you should do a little more research instead of sounding off on the basis of zero knowledge of the subject, which seems to have been your style so far. By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. |
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On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote:
When the line was built, Canary Wharf did not exist as anything other than a disused wharf. *Until the Reichmann brothers came along with proposals to develop Canary Wharf into what it is today, there was no need for a station at Canary Wharf at all. * But a station was indeed built at Canary Wharf, of similar design to the others on that stretch of line. It was complete, and even had signs in the original style, but never opened and I think was at least partially demolished by the time the line opened. Certainly, it had completely gone soon afterwards. Trains actually stopped at the location of this never opened station for some time because it was still programmed into the control system. Obviously, the doors did not open. Parts, e,g, canopies, from the original station were stored nearby, and I think some were later used when other stations were extended. The DLR was built as an ultra-low cost light railway, and anything that wasn't needed was not included. *Heron Quays and West India Quays were both developed early and got stations. When Canary Wharf station was built, it had to go between the two existing stations. *That's why the three are so close together. It was indeed built between West India Quay and Heron Quays, in exactly the same location as the original, never-opened, station. I suppose the extension of all of the stations to accept longer trains brings their platform ends even closer than they would originally have been. Heron quays station was also in the middle of nowhere, and then a building site. This station was almost totally unused when the line first opened; there was nothing there. I remember an event, food- related I think, taking place in a tent there, and that was the first time that I got off there. West India Quay did see rather more use at that time. Once again, the cost of making all three into one much larger station spanning wide expanses of water would not have been economic. (*even more so given the skip-stop service on some Bank-Lewisham service (peaks?)). In those days, the Lewisham extension hadn't even been planned, let alone started. *Once again, you seem to think that people designing the DLR in the mid-1980s should have been able to predict the exact future course of development decades ahead ... The truth is that no-one could have foreseen what would eventually happen at Canary Wharf. *The idea came completely out of the blue. *It was quite out of keeping with the then-current plans for Docklands, which were for low- and medium-rise, low density development with the primary objective of providing jobs for local people who were made redundant when the docks and other associated local businesses closed. The DLR was designed to support this objective. *So why on earth build a grandiose station for a quay (Canary Wharf) which wasn't expected to be developed? The future of the Docklands area was indeed far from certain when the DLR was being designed and built. Some predicted that the development of the area would come to nothing, and that the DLR would be an expensive (all of £77m if I remember correctly) white elephant. Others predicted that a large-scale development would take, and the DLR would be totally unable to cope. Neither prediction was totally unreasonable at the time. Certainly, it would have been quite impossible to fund anything like the current system at the time. |
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On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" One any other railway they'd have just built Canary Wharf (longer platforms perhaps), with additional accesses north and south across each Quay. When the line was built, Canary Wharf did not exist as anything other than a disused wharf. *Until the Reichmann brothers came along with proposals to develop Canary Wharf into what it is today, there was no need for a station at Canary Wharf at all. * According to Wiki: "Canary Wharf station had been part of the original DLR plans, but when the system opened in August 1987 the station was not ready.[5] It was originally planned that the station would be similar to the original station at Heron Quays, with two small platforms either side of the tracks. It soon became apparent that the Canary Wharf development would produce demand well above the capacity of a simple station. On 17 July 1987 (over a month before the DLR opened to the public) a contract was awarded to GEC-Mowlem Railway Group to rebuild the station into the considerably more elaborate and spacious design that exists today. It was opened in November 1991.[5]" By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. *Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. I got the info I required (see upthread) very promptly, within about 2hrs 10 minutes after my initial email to the TfL Customer Relations team. The person who responded (we'll call him "R") gave a very succinct answer and he made no allusions to his job being under threat by giving that answer. |
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On 6 Aug, 03:36, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" One any other railway they'd have just built Canary Wharf (longer platforms perhaps), with additional accesses north and south across each Quay. When the line was built, Canary Wharf did not exist as anything other than a disused wharf. *Until the Reichmann brothers came along with proposals to develop Canary Wharf into what it is today, there was no need for a station at Canary Wharf at all. * According to Wiki: "Canary Wharf station had been part of the original DLR plans, but when the system opened in August 1987 the station was not ready.[5] It was originally planned that the station would be similar to the original station at Heron Quays, with two small platforms either side of the tracks. It soon became apparent that the Canary Wharf development would produce demand well above the capacity of a simple station. On 17 July 1987 (over a month before the DLR opened to the public) a contract was awarded to GEC-Mowlem Railway Group to rebuild the station into the considerably more elaborate and spacious design that exists today. It was opened in November 1991.[5]" By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. *Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. I got the info I required (see upthread) very promptly, within about 2hrs 10 minutes after my initial email to the TfL Customer Relations team. The person who responded (we'll call him "R") gave a very succinct answer and he made no allusions to his job being under threat by giving that answer. Maybe that's because his job was to give answers based on information of the kind provided to those whose job it is to give answers. This is not the same as giving out answers based on information which has been provided confidentially to someone whose job is not to give out answers, but who would have to guess whether it might happen to be in the public domain by now. Even I can work that one out. |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:36:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil"
wrote: On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote: By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. *Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. I got the info I required (see upthread) very promptly, within about 2hrs 10 minutes after my initial email to the TfL Customer Relations team. The person who responded (we'll call him "R") gave a very succinct answer and he made no allusions to his job being under threat by giving that answer. As I said, if you can't be sincere, don't bother. As you're clearly intent on being a particularly nasty piece of ****, welcome to my kill file. Ctrl-K. |
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On 6 Aug, 08:48, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:36:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote: By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. *Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. I got the info I required (see upthread) very promptly, within about 2hrs 10 minutes after my initial email to the TfL Customer Relations team. The person who responded (we'll call him "R") gave a very succinct answer and he made no allusions to his job being under threat by giving that answer. As I said, if you can't be sincere, don't bother. *As you're clearly intent on being a particularly nasty piece of ****, welcome to my kill file. Ctrl-K. Actually, I'm not nasty enough to kill-file people, on this or any other forum. |
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On 6 Aug, 08:48, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:36:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 5 Aug, 19:24, Bruce wrote: By the way, you owe Paul Corfield an apology. *Some serious grovelling would be appropriate, but if you can't be sincere, don't bother. I got the info I required (see upthread) very promptly, within about 2hrs 10 minutes after my initial email to the TfL Customer Relations team. The person who responded (we'll call him "R") gave a very succinct answer and he made no allusions to his job being under threat by giving that answer. As I said, if you can't be sincere, don't bother. *As you're clearly intent on being a particularly nasty piece of ****, welcome to my kill file. Ctrl-K. And I apologised to Paul several posts upthread (he even acknowledged that). |
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On 5 Aug, 13:02, Mizter T wrote:
Why on earth do you need to know so desperately anyway? The second platform will open sometime soon, when it does you'll be able to go and put your feet on the hallowed surface and discover that it's much like any other platform, i.e. made of pink bouncy rubber and stuck together with treacle. [sigh] I confess it's an addiction, going around photographing every single LUL, NR, DLR and Tramlink station in the Oystercard Zone over the last two years or so. http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSe...xt=Sunil060902 I've even made a start on visiting London's disused and/or never opened stations (at present mostly in north and east London - south and west London will be added when I have time!). You may remember me making these posts several years ago: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....d?dmode=source http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....f?dmode=source C3PO It wasn't my fault, sir! Please don't deactivate me! But he's faulty, malfunctioning, babbling on about his mission! /C3PO |
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, at 04:53:54 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Dr. Sunil remarked: As I said, if you can't be sincere, don't bother. *As you're clearly intent on being a particularly nasty piece of ****, welcome to my kill file. Ctrl-K. And I apologised to Paul several posts upthread (he even acknowledged that). I think Tony/Bruce is peeved because you refuted his history of Canary Wharf station. -- Roland Perry |
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On 6 Aug, 03:36, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
According to Wiki: "Canary Wharf station had been part of the original DLR plans, but when the system opened in August 1987 the station was not ready. I don't think I agree with this; as far as could be seen it was complete, lighting, signs etc. were all installed. I can't be certain as to whether things like commissioning of the lifts was complete, but it not I think it would only have been because it had been decided that the station would not open, and therefore final works had been abandoned. It looked finished. [5] It was originally planned that the station would be similar to the original station at Heron Quays, with two small platforms either side of the tracks. It soon became apparent that the Canary Wharf development would produce demand well above the capacity of a simple station. On 17 July 1987 (over a month before the DLR opened to the public) a contract was awarded to GEC-Mowlem Railway Group to rebuild the station into the considerably more elaborate and spacious design that exists today. It was opened in November 1991.[5]" This all sounds right. It was announced that the station would not open due to the Canary Wharf development being given the go-ahead, this had been in doubt until shortly before the DLR opened, and the station therefore being in the middle of a building site for the next few years. As I rote before, trains did actually stop at this 'ghost' station for some time, untill it was removed from the control software; I can't remember when this happened. The whole station area was totally re-built; the platforms were demolished, the two original tracks meerged into one, and an extra track added on each side, to give the present three track, six platform layout. |
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