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Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE.
============== Fantasy Stations ============== 1. Draycott Avenue (Northwick Park): Bakerloo, Chiltern (Aylesbury line), Metropolitan 2. Peel Centre (Hendon): Northern, MML 3. Harringay Green Lanes: ECML, Goblin, Piccadilly (via travelator) to a new station. 4. Durnford Street (South Tottenham): GEL (Enfield Town line), Goblin, Victoria via travelator to Seven Sisters 5. Jarrow Road (Tottenham Hale): GEL (Lea Valley Line), Goblin 6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria 7. Blenheim Crescent (Ruislip): Central, Chiltern (High Wycombe line), Metropolitan 8. Wood End (South Harrow): Chiltern (High Wycombe line), Piccadilly 9. Wembley St. Johns: Bakerloo, Chiltern (High Wycombe line), WCML 10. East Neasden: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, KC 11. West Hampstead: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, MML, NLL 12. South Hampstead: Jubilee, Metropolitan, WCML 13. Belsize Park: MML, Northern 14. Chalk Farm: Northern, WCML 15. Rosslyn Hill: NLL, Northern 16. York Way (Camden): ECML, NLL 17. Cedar Way (Camden): MML, NLL 18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern 19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL 20. Leytonstone High Road: Central, Goblin 21. Balmoral Road (Manor Park): GEL, Goblin 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly 23. East Ealing: Central, District, GW 24. Harlesden: Bakerloo, KC, WCML 25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL 26. Mitre Bridge (Willesden): GW, WLL 27. Silver Road (Shepherds Bush): HC, WLL 28. St Pauls (Central/Thameslink) 29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern) 30. Rainhill Way (Bow): District, DLR 31. Ivy Crescent (Acton Green): District, KC, NLL 32. Thames Road (Chiswick): NLL, SWT (Hounslow Loop line) 33. Southwark: Jubilee, SER, Thameslink 34. East Putney: District, SWT 35. Loughborough Junction: ELL (Clapham Junction line), SET, Thameslink 36. Croxted Road (Dulwich): SR (Peckham - Tulse Hill line), SET (Herne Hill - Penge line) 37. Brockley: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Lewisham - Peckham line) 38. Howson Road (Brockley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Catford - Peckham line) 39. Tooting Graveney: Northern, SR (Streatham - Wimbledon line) 40. Streatham Junction: SR (Clapham Junction - Croydon line), SR (Streatham - Sutton/Wimbledon line) 41. Leigham (Tulse Hill): SR (Clapham Junction - Crystal Palace line), SR (Tulse Hill - Streatham line) 42. Penge: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Dulwich - Beckenham Junction line) 43. The Vineries (Catford): SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line), SET (Catford - Peckham line) 44. Selby Road (Anerley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction line) 45. Meadow Way (Beckenham): CT, SET (Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction line), SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line) 46. Bickley Junction: SET (Bromley South - Swanley line), SET (New Cross - Orpington line) There are bound to be some errors, but hopefully you get the general idea. Is there any chance of any of these ideas coming to fruition in the near future, or like Wood Lane, will it take the best part of 25 years to go from initial idea to actual completion? :) ========== Abbreviations ========== CT = Croydon Tramlink DLR = Docklands Light Railway ECML = East Coast Main Line (ex Kings Cross) ELL = East London Line GEL = Great Eastern Line (ex Liverpool Street) Goblin = Gospel Oak to Barking line GW = Great Western (ex Paddington) HC = Hammersmith and City Line KC = Kew to Cricklewood line MML = Midland Main Line (ex St. Pancras) NLL = North London Line from Richmond to Stratford SET = South Eastern Trains SR = Southern Railway SWT = South West Trains WCML = West Coast Main Line (ex Euston) WLL = West London Line from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction Beyond that, there are similar places in the SE such as Farnborough, Edenbridge and Maidstone where a station to link passing railway lines might come in handy. |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:28:58 +0100, mistral
wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? I have heard that there are plans for underground stations in the Ipswich area. |
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On 6 Aug, 12:28, mistral wrote:
Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? 11. West Hampstead: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, MML, NLL Things have been proposed at West Hampstead for many years; what became Thameslink was originally proposed by the GLC as an extension of Southern Region services to terminate there for interchange with the other lines. Quite recently there have been proposals for platforms on the Chiltern lines, and improved interchange between the three stations there. |
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On 6 Aug, 16:15, Basil Jet wrote:
I believe that plan died a few years ago. I've certainly seen it alive more recently than that; I think it's died and been revived several times over the years. I suspect that it's probably dead now, at least until the present economic climate improves. |
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"mistral" wrote in message ... Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/33 Peter Smyth |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:37:08 +0100, Peter Smyth
wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org. |
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On 6 Aug, 16:15, Basil Jet wrote: I believe that plan died a few years ago. I've certainly seen it alive more recently than that; I think it's died and been revived several times over the years. I suspect that it's probably dead now, at least until the present economic climate improves. Probably longer than that -- Chiltern is now more focused on serving longer distance routes (Brum, and soon Oxford, and maybe even Miltpn Keynes), not suburban London. It provides a minimal service to its other London stations, and wouldn't want to have stopping local trains holding up its increasing number of fast, longer distance trains. |
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news:op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:37:08 +0100, Peter Smyth wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is built instead of offices. Yes, the second office building still looks unlet, so I don't suppose they'll be in any hurry to build more. |
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On Aug 7, 12:36*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
wrote in message On 6 Aug, 16:15, Basil Jet wrote: I believe that plan died a few years ago. I've certainly seen it alive more recently than that; I think it's died and been revived several times over the years. *I suspect that it's probably dead now, at least until the present economic climate improves. Probably longer than that -- Chiltern is now more focused on serving longer distance routes (Brum, and soon Oxford, and maybe even Miltpn Keynes), not suburban London. It provides a minimal service to its other London stations, and wouldn't want to have stopping local trains holding up its increasing number of fast, longer distance trains. If that is indeed the case, I wonder if shallow travelators west to Edgware Road and east to Baker St. from Marylebone might be preferred options instead? Yeah there's the Bakerloo, but it's pointless if all you want to do is change to the SSL lines one station away, as it takes so long going down to the platforms and back up again. I still think moving the Met interchange to West Hampstead is worthwhile though, if only for the NLL and Thameslink interchanges it adds. Passive provision (i.e. spaces) for Chiltern platforms would probably be more than sufficient for the time being. |
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On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, mistral
wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. ============== Fantasy Stations ============== 1. Draycott Avenue (Northwick Park): Bakerloo, Chiltern (Aylesbury line), Metropolitan 2. Peel Centre (Hendon): Northern, MML 3. Harringay Green Lanes: ECML, Goblin, Piccadilly (via travelator) to a new station. * 4. Durnford Street (South Tottenham): GEL (Enfield Town line), Goblin, Victoria via travelator to Seven Sisters 5. Jarrow Road (Tottenham Hale): GEL (Lea Valley Line), Goblin 6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria 7. Blenheim Crescent (Ruislip): Central, Chiltern (High Wycombe line), Metropolitan 8. Wood End (South Harrow): Chiltern (High Wycombe line), Piccadilly 9. Wembley St. Johns: Bakerloo, Chiltern (High Wycombe line), WCML 10. East Neasden: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, KC 11. West Hampstead: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, MML, NLL 12. South Hampstead: Jubilee, Metropolitan, WCML 13. Belsize Park: MML, Northern 14. Chalk Farm: Northern, WCML 15. Rosslyn Hill: NLL, Northern 16. York Way (Camden): ECML, NLL 17. Cedar Way (Camden): MML, NLL 18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern 19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL 20. Leytonstone High Road: Central, Goblin 21. Balmoral Road (Manor Park): GEL, Goblin 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly 23. East Ealing: Central, District, GW 24. Harlesden: Bakerloo, KC, WCML 25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL 26. Mitre Bridge (Willesden): GW, WLL 27. Silver Road (Shepherds Bush): HC, WLL 28. St Pauls (Central/Thameslink) 29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern) 30. Rainhill Way (Bow): District, DLR 31. Ivy Crescent (Acton Green): District, KC, NLL 32. Thames Road (Chiswick): NLL, SWT (Hounslow Loop line) 33. Southwark: Jubilee, SER, Thameslink 34. East Putney: District, SWT 35. Loughborough Junction: ELL (Clapham Junction line), SET, Thameslink 36. Croxted Road (Dulwich): SR (Peckham - Tulse Hill line), SET (Herne Hill - Penge line) 37. Brockley: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Lewisham - Peckham line) 38. Howson Road (Brockley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Catford - Peckham line) 39. Tooting Graveney: Northern, SR (Streatham - Wimbledon line) 40. Streatham Junction: SR (Clapham Junction - Croydon line), SR (Streatham - Sutton/Wimbledon line) 41. Leigham (Tulse Hill): SR (Clapham Junction - Crystal Palace line), SR (Tulse Hill - Streatham line) 42. Penge: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Dulwich - Beckenham Junction line) 43. The Vineries (Catford): SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line), SET (Catford - Peckham line) 44. Selby Road (Anerley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction line) 45. Meadow Way (Beckenham): CT, SET (Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction line), SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line) 46. Bickley Junction: SET (Bromley South - Swanley line), SET (New Cross - Orpington line) There are bound to be some errors, but hopefully you get the general idea. Is there any chance of any of these ideas coming to fruition in the near future, or like Wood Lane, will it take the best part of 25 years to go from initial idea to actual completion? :) ========== Abbreviations ========== CT = Croydon Tramlink DLR = Docklands Light Railway ECML = East Coast Main Line (ex Kings Cross) ELL = East London Line GEL = Great Eastern Line (ex Liverpool Street) Goblin = Gospel Oak to Barking line GW = Great Western (ex Paddington) HC = Hammersmith and City Line KC = Kew to Cricklewood line MML = Midland Main Line (ex St. Pancras) NLL = North London Line from Richmond to Stratford SET = South Eastern Trains SR = Southern Railway SWT = South West Trains WCML = West Coast Main Line (ex Euston) WLL = West London Line from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction Beyond that, there are similar places in the SE such as Farnborough, Edenbridge and Maidstone where a station to link passing railway lines might come in handy. -- mistral My suggestion to add to that list would be a large junction station (Surrey Canal Junction?) in the triangle between the SE and Southern lines adjacent to the new LO depot (on the site of the waste disposal facility and maybe the light industrial units to the south east of it). This would replace the proposed Surrey Canal Road station with one with platforms on the LO lines, all 4 Southern Lines, and all 6 or so SE lines. and perhaps even some Crossrail-dimensioned platform tunnels underneath for a future N-S line. The intended analogy being with Clapham Junction, Stratford, and Willesden Junction. You might even get some money out of Millwall to help pay for it. The primary benefits would be reducing pressure on London Bridge by offering inter- mainline interchange opportunities before it, and by providing zone 2 interchange with the southern mainlines and LO. |
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In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010,
Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. -- Roland Perry |
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On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be * going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's *still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground *were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is *built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park *Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of *interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And *they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems *to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. -- Roland Perry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? |
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On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, mistral
wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. ============== Fantasy Stations ============== 6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria Not a station per se but Waltham Forest Council are apparently taking legal action to force the developers of the housing at the west end of the car park at Walthamstow Central to provide the footpath that was a condition of planning consent. There is also a more expensive option of creating a new entrance to the GOBLIN station on Selbourne Road which would make the station much more accessible to the High Street area. You don't need a new station here - you just a safe, accessible and convenient link which we should have had 10 years ago! 18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern Long demanded by the user group for GOBLIN but there are no firm plans for an Overground Station. There wouldn't be an integrated station from what I understand - just station very close by giving convenient interchange. 19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL Network Rail were supposed to have this in their plans years ago. It then disappeared from view. However there is increased pressure to provide the interchange - possibly linked to the Access for All proposals for Hackney Central. This would be a huge improvement if it were to be provided. 25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL Depends entirely on Crossrail and High Speed developments. The local authority is lobbying hard but given all the doubts about Crossrail and High Speed development who knows what will happen. 29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern) That'll never happen. Way too expensive and stopping services on very busy lines will create significant passenger disbenefits. -- Paul C |
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On Aug 10, 7:59*am, Roland Perry wrote: In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's *still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground *were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is *built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park *Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of *interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And *they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems *to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Still, it would serve to make the Rayners Lane branch of the Piccadilly more useful. |
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On Aug 10, 8:09*am, Paul wrote: [snip] One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. *This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. *Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? The City branch of the Northern line is already crammed solid during rush hour - even if the line is eventually split, and super-dooper new ATO signalling means services can run more frequently, it still wouldn't create the kind of capacity that could cope with untold extra passengers joining the line at a new station south of Morden. I think conversion to tram operation (as part of Tramlink) would be the most promising course of action for the Wimbledon-Sutton 'wall of death' line, though quite how that'd be handled at the Wimbledon end is another question. Well, for that matter, how it'd be handled at the Sutton end is also a very valid question! |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote: It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Still, it would serve to make the Rayners Lane branch of the Piccadilly more useful. The central seems to cope with an interchange with the district at stratford where I'm sure a load of people change onto the central to continue to the city and west end so I can't see a lightly used branch like rayners lane unduly affecting the central much in the other direction. B2003 |
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On Aug 10, 8:22*am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, mistral wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE. ============== Fantasy Stations ============== 6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria Not a station per se but Waltham Forest Council are apparently taking legal action to force the developers of the housing at the west end of the car park at Walthamstow Central to provide the footpath that was a condition of planning consent. *There is also a more expensive option of creating a new entrance to the GOBLIN station on Selbourne Road which would make the station much more accessible to the High Street area. *You don't need a new station here - you just a safe, accessible and convenient link which we should have had 10 years ago! Good to hear that about the council's plans. It's so damn obvious really - but alas, being damn obvious often doesn't mean much when it comes to actually getting such things done! 18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern Long demanded by the user group for GOBLIN but there are no firm plans for an Overground Station. There wouldn't be an integrated station from what I understand - just station very close by giving convenient interchange. I can't see how there could be an integrated station - at least not without very substantial reconstruction, which wouldn't ever be on the agenda. I dunno how many people on the GOBLIN use Upper Holloway to get to Archway for the Northern line, but at only a five minutes straightforward walk apart it'd surely make sense for a number of journeys. 19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL Network Rail were supposed to have this in their plans years ago. It then disappeared from view. However there is increased pressure to provide the interchange - possibly linked to the Access for All proposals for Hackney Central. This would be a huge improvement if it were to be provided. Hackney Downs station is in serious need of a good bit of work done on it, I'd say - cramped entrance and generally dingy and grotty throughout, a good example of how not to do an urban station. I'm quite sure that there's a fair number of people who're coming back from town later in the evening who head to Hackney Central via the Vic line and NLL (interchanging at H&I) instead of using Hackney Downs station - Hackney Central being staffed (as an LO station), well lit, well kept and all that. A shame because Hackney Downs has Tube-esque service frequencies to and from Liverpool St. 25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL Depends entirely on Crossrail and High Speed developments. The local authority is lobbying hard but given all the doubts about Crossrail and High Speed development who knows what will happen. A lot of talk for the foreseeable, that's what'll happen! One plus point about any ideas w.r.t. an Old Oak Common hub station is that pretty much all the relevant land is railway land, and that's not about to change. 29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern) That'll never happen. Way too expensive and stopping services on very busy lines will create significant passenger disbenefits. Indeed. It's a sub-10 minute walk to Liverpool Street, should one want to get on the Central line from the ELL. But anyway those coming from points north on the NLL would do better to travel via H&I and the Victoria line, or via Stratford - and those coming from points south can change at Canada Water for the Jubbly line to get into town (though they might have to play at being a sardine at peak times). Talking about sardines, Bethnal Green to Liverpool St is reputed to be the busiest section of the Tube at peak times, I don't know whether any official figures back that up but it's certainly pretty crammo - my mate who lives that way says he doesn't even dream of using the line during the rush hour. |
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On Aug 10, 3:27*pm, wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Mizter T wrote: It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Still, it would serve to make the Rayners Lane branch of the Piccadilly more useful. The central seems to cope with an interchange with the district at stratford where I'm sure a load of people change onto the central to continue to the city and west end so I can't see a lightly used branch like rayners lane unduly affecting the central much in the other direction. The Central interchanges with the District at Mile End, down the road from Stratford, and it also (cross-platform) interchanges with the heavily used Great Eastern suburban services at Stratford. As to the eastern end Central seeming to cope, well I don't think it really does - hence the need for relief from Crossrail. Re the lightly used Rayners Lane branch - the point was just that it might become a bit more heavily used if it gave easy access to the Central, with the potential for ensuing capacity issues for the western end of the Central. That said, I can't quite see it being a massive issue - though maybe everyone from Uxbridge might suddenly desert the Met! |
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On Aug 10, 8:09 am, Paul wrote: [snip] One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? The City branch of the Northern line is already crammed solid during rush hour - even if the line is eventually split, and super-dooper new ATO signalling means services can run more frequently, it still wouldn't create the kind of capacity that could cope with untold extra passengers joining the line at a new station south of Morden. I think conversion to tram operation (as part of Tramlink) would be the most promising course of action for the Wimbledon-Sutton 'wall of death' line, though quite how that'd be handled at the Wimbledon end is another question. Well, for that matter, how it'd be handled at the Sutton end is also a very valid question! Where would the tram stops be? -- Tony Dragon |
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On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote: In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. -- Roland Perry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? Is there not a mosque in the way? -- Tony Dragon |
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On Aug 6, 8:15*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\06 15:58, wrote: On 6 Aug, 12:28, *wrote: Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail infrastructure in the London area? 11. West Hampstead: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, MML, NLL Things have been proposed at West Hampstead for many years; what became Thameslink was originally proposed by the GLC as an extension of Southern Region services to terminate there for interchange with the other lines. *Quite recently there have been proposals for platforms on the Chiltern lines, and improved interchange between the three stations there. I believe that plan died a few years ago. That, if true, would be a pity. Chiltern is serving destinations further from London, and is likely to add more. Marylebone is not the ideal terminus being served by only one subway line. A call at West Hampstead would give Chiltern's long distance passengers a range of options for onward travel to diverse parts of London. |
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On Aug 10, 2:51*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:
Paul wrote: On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote: In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be * going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's *still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground *were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is *built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park *Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of *interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And *they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems *to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. -- Roland Perry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. *This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. *Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? Is there not a mosque in the way? Not really. The mosque is adjacent to the main part of the platforms, but the southernmost tracks of the depot could easily be extended without infringing on the mosque itself (although the car park may be affected). I think the only thing you might lose is the scout hall. You could do one of four things: (1) Extend the Northern Line to a terminus on the site of the mosque's unpaved overflow parking, with a southern entrance on Central Road and a footbridge at the northern end running to the southern end of the NR platform. (2) Extend the Northern Line to run parallel to the Wall of Death from just south of Morden South to St Helier. Again, you'd take a bit of the mosque parking, but not very much. (3) Create a flat junction south of Morden South and run onto Network Rail metals to Sutton. Chances are the Health and Safety people would scream blue murder due to the different platform heights though. (4) Fix the platform heights in (3) and make Morden-Sutton exclusively a Northern Line service. Extend Tramlink from Wimbledon to a new interchange station at Central Road (or, indeed, to St Helier, with Tramlink potentially continuing on Wrythe Lane through Carshalton and back to Croydon by a different route) |
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Alistair Bell wrote:
On Aug 10, 2:51 pm, Tony Dragon wrote: Paul wrote: On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote: In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked: 22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to be going ahead. The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped if housing is built instead of offices. A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground. It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly" would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading the Central. -- Roland Perry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting, Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were ever permanently split in two? Is there not a mosque in the way? Not really. The mosque is adjacent to the main part of the platforms, but the southernmost tracks of the depot could easily be extended without infringing on the mosque itself (although the car park may be affected). I think the only thing you might lose is the scout hall. You could do one of four things: (1) Extend the Northern Line to a terminus on the site of the mosque's unpaved overflow parking, with a southern entrance on Central Road and a footbridge at the northern end running to the southern end of the NR platform. (2) Extend the Northern Line to run parallel to the Wall of Death from just south of Morden South to St Helier. Again, you'd take a bit of the mosque parking, but not very much. You would have to widen Central Road bridge & the cutting or perhaps make the BR line single. (3) Create a flat junction south of Morden South and run onto Network Rail metals to Sutton. Chances are the Health and Safety people would scream blue murder due to the different platform heights though. To say nothing about the different heights of Morden South Station & the Northern Line. (4) Fix the platform heights in (3) and make Morden-Sutton exclusively a Northern Line service. Extend Tramlink from Wimbledon to a new interchange station at Central Road (or, indeed, to St Helier, with Tramlink potentially continuing on Wrythe Lane through Carshalton and back to Croydon by a different route) What would serve South Merton & Wimbledon Chase? -- Tony Dragon |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote: The Central interchanges with the District at Mile End, down the road from Stratford, and it also (cross-platform) interchanges with the Duh , yes, my mistake. Re the lightly used Rayners Lane branch - the point was just that it might become a bit more heavily used if it gave easy access to the Central, with the potential for ensuing capacity issues for the western end of the Central. That said, I can't quite see it being a massive issue - though maybe everyone from Uxbridge might suddenly desert the Met! Having occasionally used the western end of the cental line in the rush hour from my workplace I can state that eastbound its really not very busy until it hits white city and all the media marys from the BBC pile on and even then its hardly a crush. A few hundred extra passengers here and there I don't think would make a big difference. Anyway , its all moot since the station will never be built anyway. Quite why an interchange wasn't built in the first place between the 2 lines god alone knows. I'd have thought it would have been the obvious thing to do. B2003 |
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On Aug 11, 2:00*am, Tony Dragon wrote:
Alistair Bell wrote: (3) Create a flat junction south of Morden South and run onto Network Rail metals to Sutton. Chances are the Health and Safety people would scream blue murder due to the different platform heights though. To say nothing about the different heights of Morden South Station & the Northern Line. I don't think that's a big deal. There's more than enough room to climb alongside the depot. (4) Fix the platform heights in (3) and make Morden-Sutton exclusively a Northern Line service. Extend Tramlink from Wimbledon to a new interchange station at Central Road (or, indeed, to St Helier, with Tramlink potentially continuing on Wrythe Lane through Carshalton and back to Croydon by a different route) What would serve South Merton & Wimbledon Chase? Tramlink. Either a tag-end service from Wimbledon to Wimbledon Chase, South Merton, Morden South and St Helier, or a second Wimbledon- Croydon route. Having thought about it again, I suspect the actual answer would be a Wimbledon-St Helier-Rose Hill-Sutton High Street service, possibly continuing to Croydon onstreet. I'm not saying any of this would be all that cheap (fer cryin' out loud, look how much we spent on the supposedly simple East London Line) but it probably _is_ cheap enough to be feasible if it's desirable. (Not in the current Coalition 'let's slash everything' mindset, of course.) |
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On Aug 12, 4:27*pm, wrote: (Alistair Bell) wrote: I'm not saying any of this would be all that cheap (fer cryin' out loud, look how much we spent on the supposedly simple East London Line) but it probably _is_ cheap enough to be feasible if it's desirable. (Not in the current Coalition 'let's slash everything' mindset, of course.) The outgoing Labour Government's "I'm afraid there's no money left" mindset, you mean? So how's this working then - do you have a leased line between Millbank and Cowley Street yet? (I merely jest ;-) |
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On Aug 12, 8:49*pm, wrote: (Mizter T) wrote: On Aug 12, 4:27*pm, wrote: (Alistair Bell) wrote: I'm not saying any of this would be all that cheap (fer cryin' out loud, look how much we spent on the supposedly simple East London Line) but it probably _is_ cheap enough to be feasible if it's desirable. (Not in the current Coalition 'let's slash everything' mindset, of course.) The outgoing Labour Government's "I'm afraid there's no money left" mindset, you mean? So how's this working then - do you have a leased line between Millbank and Cowley Street yet? (I merely jest ;-) :-) I'm not sure where you were referring to by "Millbank". I was there (No.4) today but not for anything you were thinking of, I'm sure. No, not No. 4, the home of the hacks and the collapsed atrium - I refer to 30 Millbank, aka the Tower formerly inhabited by the rose- tinted nouveau prole party, but now home to the legion of landed gentry, with whom I understand your permissive posse presently have an arrangement of some sort... ;-) |
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On Aug 12, 10:36*pm, wrote: (Mizter T) wrote: On Aug 12, 8:49*pm, wrote: (Mizter T) wrote: On Aug 12, 4:27*pm, wrote: [snip] The outgoing Labour Government's "I'm afraid there's no money left" mindset, you mean? So how's this working then - do you have a leased line between Millbank and Cowley Street yet? (I merely jest ;-) :-) I'm not sure where you were referring to by "Millbank". I was there (No.4) today but not for anything you were thinking of, I'm sure. No, not No. 4, the home of the hacks and the collapsed atrium - I refer to 30 Millbank, aka the Tower formerly inhabited by the rose- tinted nouveau prole party, but now home to the legion of landed gentry, with whom I understand your permissive posse presently have an arrangement of some sort... ;-) I know nothing of this. You shouldn't believe all you read in the press, as they say... Crossed wires here, or rather crossed leased lines - I didn't read it in the press, I made it up! A gentle bit of joshing, that's all, for in an earlier post you appeared to be toeing the party line! ;-) (That's not to say that I think the piggy bank is full, not at all!) |
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More ambitious - and seemingly far too ambitious even to cross the mind of Boris or TfL - but increasingly necessary is extending the Victoria Line from Walthamstow Central to Leytonstone Underground Station. The eastern end of the Central Line is a self-contained loop because trains can be reversed at Leytonstone. When the Central Line is closed because of works or someone jumping under a train at Mile End, the Central Line keeps operating between Epping, Hainault and Leytonstone. As the Victoria Line has been resignalled and can now run a more frequent service, extending the line two miles to Leytonstone would provide real relief for the severely over-crowded Central Line. |
Another location where interchange facilities between two currently separate stations should be installed is in North Clapham where Clapham High Street station and Clapham North station are a few hundred yards apart.
Brixton Station is another place where interchange facilities should have been added years ago. The line taking trains from Victoria to Dartford passes directly over the platforms of Brixton Station but has no platforms of its own! Interchange is therefore impossible. Yet Brixton is a major population centre and is already an important passenger transport hub because of the connections with the Victoria Line. |
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