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On Aug 12, 3:02*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:26*am, Bruce wrote:





On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew H

wrote:
Now that Oyster Pay as you Go is valid on National Rail (although it
may already have been valid on Thameslink? but was all a bit vague and
confusing), I used the Thameslink route for the first time this year,
and realised that once Blackfriars south bank entrance is open, it
will be a handy link straight to the south bank and the popular thames
walkway/London Eye/Tate Modern/Millennium Bridge etc. At off peak
times a more comfortable journey than using the Northern line from
Euston.

It will be a very long walk from Thameslink's Blackfriars southern
exit to the London Eye. *I doubt that even 1% of tourists would
consider it.

As so often on uk.railway, posters only consider their own personal
situation and seem to lack any ability to give a moment's thought to
what most normal people would want, and do.

The vast majority of tourists would find staying in the thoroughly
seedy Kings Cross area quite repugnant. *If anything is going to put
them off returning to London, that's it. *

The situation may well improve over the next few years as the new
Kings Cross and St Pancras International is completed (the hotel is
still under construction) and the area is cleaned up. *But for the
time being, it is a particularly unpleasant place to be.

So for some years hence, the vast majority of people who come to
London will still find accommodation among the thousands of hotels
that are to be found to the west, and of which trainspotters seem
completely unaware. *Perhaps I should not be so surprised that
trainspotters are so out of touch with normal people - it's the nature
of the hobby, I suppose, and its close connection with autism.

Some might wonder if it's not you who's borderline autistic...

Decent people do not mock the afflicted. In point of fact asperger's
is a gift as much as it’s an affliction. The ability to focus in a
very narrow to the exclusion of outside data can at times be very
useful.

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On Aug 12, 5:37*pm, 1506 wrote:

On Aug 12, 3:02*am, Mizter T wrote:

On Aug 12, 8:26*am, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew H

wrote:
Now that Oyster Pay as you Go is valid on National Rail (although it
may already have been valid on Thameslink? but was all a bit vague and
confusing), I used the Thameslink route for the first time this year,
and realised that once Blackfriars south bank entrance is open, it
will be a handy link straight to the south bank and the popular thames
walkway/London Eye/Tate Modern/Millennium Bridge etc. At off peak
times a more comfortable journey than using the Northern line from
Euston.

It will be a very long walk from Thameslink's Blackfriars southern
exit to the London Eye. *I doubt that even 1% of tourists would
consider it.

As so often on uk.railway, posters only consider their own personal
situation and seem to lack any ability to give a moment's thought to
what most normal people would want, and do.

The vast majority of tourists would find staying in the thoroughly
seedy Kings Cross area quite repugnant. *If anything is going to put
them off returning to London, that's it. *

The situation may well improve over the next few years as the new
Kings Cross and St Pancras International is completed (the hotel is
still under construction) and the area is cleaned up. *But for the
time being, it is a particularly unpleasant place to be.

So for some years hence, the vast majority of people who come to
London will still find accommodation among the thousands of hotels
that are to be found to the west, and of which trainspotters seem
completely unaware. *Perhaps I should not be so surprised that
trainspotters are so out of touch with normal people - it's the nature
of the hobby, I suppose, and its close connection with autism.

Some might wonder if it's not you who's borderline autistic...

Decent people do not mock the afflicted. *In point of fact asperger's
is a gift as much as it’s an affliction. *The ability to focus in a
very narrow to the exclusion of outside data can at times be very
useful.

I had no intention of mocking the afflicted.

My point was really about Bruce's ability to focus very narrowly on
passing insult to the exclusion of perfectly reasonable debate...

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In message
1506 wrote:

On Aug 12, 3:02=A0am, Mizter T wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:26=A0am, Bruce wrote:





On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew H

wrote:
Now that Oyster Pay as you Go is valid on National Rail (although it
may already have been valid on Thameslink? but was all a bit vague and
confusing), I used the Thameslink route for the first time this year,
and realised that once Blackfriars south bank entrance is open, it
will be a handy link straight to the south bank and the popular thames
walkway/London Eye/Tate Modern/Millennium Bridge etc. At off peak
times a more comfortable journey than using the Northern line from
Euston.

It will be a very long walk from Thameslink's Blackfriars southern
exit to the London Eye. =A0I doubt that even 1% of tourists would
consider it.

As so often on uk.railway, posters only consider their own personal
situation and seem to lack any ability to give a moment's thought to
what most normal people would want, and do.

The vast majority of tourists would find staying in the thoroughly
seedy Kings Cross area quite repugnant. =A0If anything is going to put
them off returning to London, that's it. =A0

The situation may well improve over the next few years as the new
Kings Cross and St Pancras International is completed (the hotel is
still under construction) and the area is cleaned up. =A0But for the
time being, it is a particularly unpleasant place to be.

So for some years hence, the vast majority of people who come to
London will still find accommodation among the thousands of hotels
that are to be found to the west, and of which trainspotters seem
completely unaware. =A0Perhaps I should not be so surprised that
trainspotters are so out of touch with normal people - it's the nature
of the hobby, I suppose, and its close connection with autism.

Some might wonder if it's not you who's borderline autistic...

Decent people do not mock the afflicted. In point of fact asperger's
is a gift as much as it=92s an affliction. The ability to focus in a
very narrow to the exclusion of outside data can at times be very
useful.

Aspergers is not Autism, though they are in the same spectrum of mental
conditions.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:37:56 -0700 (PDT), bob
wrote:

snip copious twaddle

Well the BVMT are welcome to use the BTHW, it leaves more room for the
real tourists in the real hotels. Please mind the BAAT.


Your Asperger's is showing. ;-)

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:51:09 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:42:40 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT), Neal
wrote:

I personally think it should be branded as part of and integrated into
the Crossrail system rather than 'Thameslink' so that we move to a
more Paris style - Metro / RER (Tube / Crossrail).

I suppose that fits with the branding, as Crossrail would then have a
network in the shape of a cross.

Or, you could call Thameslink "First Capital Connect" and Crossrail
"Second Capital Connect".

The Chelsea-Hackney route would be "Third Capital Connect".

Or, if it ends up being built to tube gauge, First Lowercase Connect.


Trust you to punctuate the discussion with that. ;-)

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On Aug 12, 6:08*pm, Graeme wrote:

1506 wrote:
[snip]
Decent people do not mock the afflicted. *In point of fact asperger's
is a gift as much as it=92s an affliction. *The ability to focus in a
very narrow to the exclusion of outside data can at times be very
useful.

Aspergers is not Autism, though they are in the same spectrum of mental
conditions.

You haven't come across the recent debate about a proposed change in a
new edition some very influential American medical or mental health
text book - AIUI the notion is that Asperger's would no longer be
separately classified, instead it would just be at one end of the
autism spectrum.

Interesting debate ensues - one school of thought in the medico-mental
health world seem to consider this to be logical, honest and in line
with the evidence that it's all just a spectrum of the same thing,
whilst others - some campaigners and the like - were/are wary of
reclassification, the thinking being that the term Asperger's has
broadly been successfully de-stigmatised in the mind of society at
large (which in turn has encouraged people to seek help who otherwise
wouldn't have done so), and that 'abolishing' Asperger's and lumping
it all in with autism would be a backward step in this. At least,
that's my understanding of the debate.

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On 12/08/2010 14:49, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 11/08/2010 13:14, Ivor The Engine wrote:

Conclusion: The Poster Currently Known As Bruce doesn't know what
he's talking about, as usual.

Have you heard the latest news from the zoologists who are studying
the tioletry habits of bears?

Yes, and mostly, they don't **** in the woods:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia.../features11.g2

I actually have that article bookmarked for rapid reference...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On 12/08/2010 08:14, Bruce wrote:

Crossrail and Thameslink are non-intuitive. We already have lots of
"cross London railways", for example the Central, Piccadilly, Northern
and Victoria lines. We already have several "cross Thames links"
including the ELL, WLL, DLR and Northern Line. We have Underground
lines with names and colours, so how about giving the overground/heavy
rail lines numbers?

Just a thought.

It's not very intuitive to call the southernmost Underground line the
Northern Line, and if you are in Hammersmith and want to get to the City
you might not always want to go via Paddington.

Thameslink actually has quite a strong recognition round here. Perhaps
more so than FCC.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:42:00 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:06 pm, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:45:20 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote:
If you are at King's Cross, the [well known UK city of] Cambridge
might be quicker to get to by train than parts of Greater London.

I've often made the point that, depending on where you're going to
exactly, a commute to London from Milton Keynes or even Rugby may be
quicker than one from somewhere within the Travelcard zones.

Just don't tell Michael Bell that - he seems to think you can get
from anywhere to anywhere in (Greater) London in less than an hour.


In Ringby, it will only take twenty/ten/five/two minutes.

And now he knows that 30 trains per hour is possible, no doubt this will
be the service frequency on the Ringby Circle Line.


Given that these trains will be double deckers with 3+3 seating,
RingbyRail would have to employ Japanese-style "pushers" on the
platforms to make sure that the passengers don't dawdle when boarding
or alighting from the trains.

Perhaps the trains could be equipped with arrival and departure 'pods'
in which passengers would wait (1) at the stations to board, and
(2) on the trains to alight. The pods could be swapped while the
train speeds through the station using similar principles to the
former Travelling Post Offices when picking up and setting down mail
bags while on the move.

Obviously the speed of the train would need to be reduced to ensure
that passengers' internal organs were not ruptured during the pod
exchange, but there would still be a considerable saving in time
compared to having the trains stop.

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On 12/08/2010 08:26, Bruce wrote:

The vast majority of tourists would find staying in the thoroughly
seedy Kings Cross area quite repugnant. If anything is going to put
them off returning to London, that's it.

Well, yes. But at any given time the vast majority of tourists are
somewhere else other than London....

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK