RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?
--
Roland Perry

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On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

Erm, but everything *was* running smoothly until the evening. No one
was on strike during the day...

-roy

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In message , at 22:02:49 on Mon, 6
Sep 2010, Roy Badami remarked:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

Erm, but everything *was* running smoothly until the evening. No one
was on strike during the day...

This will be a ticket tomorrow.
--
Roland Perry

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On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service
operating with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

Are the unions maybe losing the support of a substantial proportion of
their members, too? Obviously not good for people who wanted to use the
lines this evening that are suspended or suffering severe delays, but
there is rather more running than I had expected would be the case.

I somehow got the impression that tube strikes in years gone by had been
rather more total than this -- or am I mistaken?

-roy

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In message , Roy Badami
writes
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service
operating with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

The Piccadilly at least ran a full service right up to the last
knockings. All the drivers had booked on for duty before the 2100
witching hour and thus continued to work to end of service.

A few stations were closed by 2300 though.

I can't speak for the other lines.
--
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You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
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Dont forget that ASLEF are not on strike.

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"Roy Badami" wrote in message
...
On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service operating
with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

I noticed that the Bakerloo went straight to 'suspended north of Queens
Park'. Is that a planned action, so that those staff who are around can run
the 'underground' services, leaving LO to pick up the north of QP pax?

As 'trainman' reported earlier, ASLEF aren't involved, and AIUI the balance
of RMT to ASLEF drivers varies considerably on different lines and at
different depots?

Paul S

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On 7 Sep, 09:20, trainmanUK wrote:
Dont forget that ASLEF are not on strike.

And this morning, rather important stations like Kings Cross and
Euston were closed, regardless of what was running past them.

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In message
, at
06:38:27 on Tue, 7 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:

Dont forget that ASLEF are not on strike.

And this morning, rather important stations like Kings Cross and
Euston were closed, regardless of what was running past them.

That's interesting... one of my plans for today was to advise getting
from KX to Euston on the Northern, which was apparently operating; then
get a bus from Euston to the final destination (no 88).

However, what seems to have worked was getting Thameslink to E&C and the
C10 bus from there.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 18:18:01 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Paul Corfield remarked:
one of my plans for today was to advise getting
from KX to Euston on the Northern, which was apparently operating; then
get a bus from Euston to the final destination (no 88).

Doesn't go from Euston - they'd need to walk along to Warren St.

Which is slightly west of Euston, so getting the tube one station would
reduce the walk.

However, what seems to have worked was getting Thameslink to E&C and the
C10 bus from there.

Yay - my suggestion worked! Glad to have helped.

Thanks again.
--
Roland Perry

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On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:49:56 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

Were extra buses actually deployed in central London where they were
needed? In some places they were quiet, but in others they were full
before they got anywhere near central areas.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

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On 7 Sep, 23:32, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:49:56 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

Were extra buses actually deployed in central London where they were
needed? *In some places they were quiet, but in others they were full
before they got anywhere near central areas.

The news reports have been stupidly dramatic. I can't believe the
idiots they dig out to talk garbage about "carnage" and so on. Why do
people have to be such drama monarchs about taking slightly longer to
get to work? So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Most people have legs after all and just had to deploy them. The
roads were pretty jammed in central London, so not much point in
adding more buses to them or getting in any.

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. I was
early. Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. I was
early. Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

Walking from Euston to Paddington cost me about half an hour, FWIW.
But "crowd situations", particularly when bad enough for the police to
get involved, can get dangerous, and that's what happened outside
Paddington.

What I don't get is why people queued for an hour and a half for boats
to Canary Wharf. The DLR was running, and even if it hadn't been I
bet it wouldn't have taken vastly longer than that to walk.

What
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

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On 8 Sep, 06:57, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT), MIG

wrote:
I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. *I was
early. *Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

Walking from Euston to Paddington cost me about half an hour, FWIW.
But "crowd situations", particularly when bad enough for the police to
get involved, can get dangerous, and that's what happened outside
Paddington.

What I don't get is why people queued for an hour and a half for boats
to Canary Wharf. *The DLR was running, and even if it hadn't been I
bet it wouldn't have taken vastly longer than that to walk.

What
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

It was a pleasure to get the Victoria Line from Kings Cross to
Blackhorse Road yesterday afternoon, if only to stick the proverbial
two fingers up at Comrade Crow.

Tottenham Hale was closed due to the strike. However later on there
was an announcement of the travel news that it is now open, the bad
news being that the Victoria Line is suspended between Seven Sisters
and Walthamstow.

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

In message , at 23:32:57 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:
I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

I think they close the underground at major stations (even if trains are
running) to avoid serious overcrowding. I've seen this myself at Kings
Cross (years ago). I forces people to disperse; some will use other
modes, the rest walk to a range of "next nearest" tube stations.
--
Roland Perry

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

In message
, at
15:42:57 on Tue, 7 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:
I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. I was
early. Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

It's also not very far (a mile and a half). Liverpool St to Paddington
is over four miles.
--
Roland Perry

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On 8 Sep, 09:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
15:42:57 on Tue, 7 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. *I was
early. *Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

It's also not very far (a mile and a half). Liverpool St to Paddington
is over four miles.
--
Roland Perry

It certainly is. If that was my route, I might have taken a folding
bike, had a longer walk, worked at home or whatever. I'm just saying
that the drama was over the top.

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On 8 Sep, 09:53, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:32:57 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:

I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

I think they close the underground at major stations (even if trains are
running) to avoid serious overcrowding. I've seen this myself at Kings
Cross (years ago). I forces people to disperse; some will use other
modes, the rest walk to a range of "next nearest" tube stations.
--
Roland Perry

And it seems to work, with no sign of chaos or danger at Charing Cross
or Euston at either end of the day. The main problem is too many
pedestrians walking slowly and aimlessly.

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 03:42:57PM -0700, MIG wrote:

The news reports have been stupidly dramatic. I can't believe the
idiots they dig out to talk garbage about "carnage" and so on. Why do
people have to be such drama monarchs about taking slightly longer to
get to work? So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Dunno about "ought to be supporting", but I can certainly agree with you
about them being drama queens.

--
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All praise the Sun God
For He is a Fun God
Ra Ra Ra!

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"MIG" wrote in message

So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Why?

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
MIG wrote:
get to work? So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Are you having a laugh?

If the LU workers really wanted to stick it to the company they'd run the
service but would open the gates and let everyone travel for free like they
do on the continent. But they'd far sooner have a day off and **** off everyone
who uses the system.

Bob Crowe and his clueless union lackeys are 70s dinosaurs who should be in the
natural history museum, not in charge of the metro system of western europes
largest city.

B2003

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

On 2010\09\06 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I can't think of any reason why they should care about public support.

Anyway, RMT Membership costs less than 20 quid for a month, so you could
start a campaign to encourage people like yourself to all join the RMT
at the same time just before Bob Crow's next re-election as leader, and
then replace him with your own puppet before quitting. I'm sure the
newspapers would give you all the free publicity you want, and it should
save you money.

According to their website, "Bob Crow has been re-elected unopposed to
serve a further five-year term in the post from February 2008 to
February 2012" LOL.

RMT just cost me 20 quid
 

In message
, at
02:18:06 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. *I was
early. *Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

It's also not very far (a mile and a half). Liverpool St to Paddington
is over four miles.

It certainly is. If that was my route, I might have taken a folding
bike, had a longer walk, worked at home or whatever. I'm just saying
that the drama was over the top.

One size does not fit all. As with the title of this thread, some people
had their day extended significantly and it cost real money. OK if it's
national emergency, but this just a silly dispute that should never have
got this far.
--
Roland Perry

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In message
, at
02:20:00 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:

The main problem is too many pedestrians walking slowly and aimlessly.

Absolutely. We should ban pedestrians, then everyone could walk their
destination unimpeded.
--
Roland Perry

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On 8 Sep, 15:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
02:20:00 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, MIG remarked:

The main problem is too many pedestrians walking slowly and aimlessly.

Absolutely. We should ban pedestrians, then everyone could walk their
destination unimpeded.



No, no ... just OTHER pedestrians.

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On 8 Sep, 14:16, wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT)

MIG wrote:
get to work? *So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Are you having a laugh?

If the LU workers really wanted to stick it to the company they'd run the
service but would open the gates and let everyone travel for free like they
do on the continent. But they'd far sooner have a day off and **** off everyone
who uses the system.

It's been suggested before that they can be sacked for that (their
terms of employment would have something to say about it) but not for
withdrawing their labour, so it's not their choice as you suggest.


Bob Crowe and his clueless union lackeys are 70s dinosaurs who should be in the
natural history museum, not in charge of the metro system of western europes
largest city.

Some of your attitudes seem to go back the the Industrial Revolution,
mind you.

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
MIG wrote:
It's been suggested before that they can be sacked for that (their
terms of employment would have something to say about it) but not for
withdrawing their labour, so it's not their choice as you suggest.

Oh please. LU arn't go sack 50% of their workforce on the spot and I'm sure
the europeans have a similar clause in their contract. Its much nicer to
have a day off though...

Some of your attitudes seem to go back the the Industrial Revolution,
mind you.

All I can say is that I haven't heard a single word of support for this
strike from anyone interviewed on TV or radio. Not the public, not the
politicians. Even Ken Livingstone didn't agree with it and he's somewhat left
of Marx, so the union are on their own on this one.

Perhaps if Crow and Cronies didn't cry wolf at every opportunity the public
might be inclined to listen to what they have to say if a possible real issue
comes up , but that bridge has been burnt long ago. Still, you can't
educate pork and Crowe oinks like the best of them.

B2003

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Basil Jet wrote:

On 2010\09\06 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I can't think of any reason why they should care about public support.

Anyway, RMT Membership costs less than 20 quid for a month, so you could
start a campaign to encourage people like yourself to all join the RMT at the
same time just before Bob Crow's next re-election as leader, and then replace
him with your own puppet before quitting. I'm sure the newspapers would give
you all the free publicity you want, and it should save you money.

Yeah, but if they *did* call a strike, you'd have to come out. I don't
know about you, but my boss'd be livid.

tom

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