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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead
and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed: "But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Over to you, mophead! ;-) |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On 01/10/10 11:34, Bruce wrote:
"But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Assuming those really are the only two options for saving the necessary money, I wonder which would be politically more palatable? -roy |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100
Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? B2003 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? B2003 Because most of them aren't working perhaps????? Nick |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? Potential new voters in the next election? |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 11:34*am, Bruce wrote: New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed: "But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." SoS Hammond won't be dictating specific cuts that the Mayor must make, regardless of what DfT people may be briefing to the media. The western extension to the congestion charge is on its way out - I can't imagine for a moment that there'd be a u-turn on this policy now, given that its removal is pretty firmly scheduled for the New Year. There are two levels of concessionary fares for 16 & 17 year olds - the basic level is that holders of a 16+ Oyster photocard get half- rate travel when using PAYG on TfL services (and NR lines that are part of the TfL fare scale for PAYG), and can buy season Travelcards and Bus Passes at the child rate. The 16+ Oyster photocard obviously needs to be applied for (and a £10 admin fee has recently been introduced for that). On top of that basic level, 16 & 17 year olds who are (a) residents of Greater London and (b) in full time education also get free bus and tram travel included on their 16+ Oyster photocard. I wonder if the latter concession might be withdrawn leaving the basic level in place. Alternatively perhaps other cuts might be made elsewhere. |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? I think they should be charged quadruple and prohibited from sitting down. |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On 1 Oct, 12:09, Mizter T wrote:
On Oct 1, 11:45*am, wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? I think they should be charged quadruple and prohibited from sitting down. They should be charged twice the normal fare for every discounted fare they've paid if they subsequently don't vote. |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
"Tim Fenton" wrote Doesn't the NMW only apply to over 18s? Has applied to 16 and 17 year olds (over school leaving age) since 2004. Current rate (as from today) for 16 and 17-year-olds is GBP 3.64 ph. As from today there is also a NMW for apprentices (under 19, or over 19 in first year of apprenticeship of GBP 2.50 ph Peter |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 03:48:24 -0700 (PDT)
Nick wrote: On Oct 1, 11:45=A0am, wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? B2003 Because most of them aren't working perhaps????? Yeah, and? I don't notice the unemployed getting discounts on the tube. B2003 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 04:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote: On Oct 1, 11:45=A0am, wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 Bruce wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? I think they should be charged quadruple and prohibited from sitting down. And not allowed on the top deck of a double decker either. B2003 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
wrote Yeah, and? I don't notice the unemployed getting discounts on the tube. If they're on New Deal they do http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14423.aspx Peter |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:11:43 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:45:33 on Fri, 1 Oct 2010, d remarked: extension of the congestion charging zone An admission that it's just a revenue gathering exercise, after all? or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? They are soon to be under school leaving age. And the majority will be students of one kind or another, even if they've left school. A student is someone who goes to university and has to fork out (eventually one way or another) for their fees. Last time I looked kids of 16 ot 17 could stay at school which is paid for by the government. B2003 |
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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:59:40 +0100
"Peter Masson" wrote: wrote Yeah, and? I don't notice the unemployed getting discounts on the tube. If they're on New Deal they do http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14423.aspx I gave up trying to find out what the conditions were. I think for most its fair to say they won't get a discount. B2003 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:15:56 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:59:59 on Fri, 1 Oct 2010, d remarked: Is there something special about that particular age group? They are soon to be under school leaving age. And the majority will be students of one kind or another, even if they've left school. A student is someone who goes to university No, a student is someone over the school leaving age who is being educated. Well I know its trendy and inclusive to call everyone who does some tin pot part time course on yoghurt knitting a student but the generally accepted definition is someone who goes to *higher* education. Not get-a-clue education for ****wits who had just about learnt to write their name when they left school. B2003 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 2:16*pm, "Tim Fenton" wrote: "Peter Masson" wrote: Doesn't the NMW only apply to over 18s? Has applied to 16 and 17 year olds (over school leaving age) since 2004.. Current rate (as from today) for 16 and 17-year-olds is GBP 3.64 ph. As from today there is also a NMW for apprentices (under 19, or over 19 in first year of apprenticeship of GBP 2.50 ph Sorry Peter, I wasn't being precise enough - meant *full adult* NMW. The 'full adult' NMW only applies to those 21 and over - as of today it's £5.93, and also as of today it applies to 21 years olds - it used to apply to those aged 22 plus. BBC News story on today's changes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11446282 Also, see this NMW on Directgov: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employme...ay/dg_10027201 ---quote--- Current NMW rates There are different levels of NMW, depending on your age and whether you are an apprentice. The current rates a £5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over £4.92 - the 18-20 rate £3.64 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18 £2.50 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship The age at which you become entitled to the main rate was reduced from 22 to 21 on 1 October 2010. The apprentice rate was introduced on the same date. If you are of compulsory school age you are not entitled to the NMW. Some of your other employment rights are also different. ---/quote--- The HMRC webpage on the NMW has not yet been updated to reflect today's changes: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nmw/ |
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On 1 Oct, 14:30, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:15:56 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:59:59 on Fri, 1 Oct 2010, remarked: Is there something special about that particular age group? They are soon to be under school leaving age. And the majority will be students of one kind or another, even if they've left school. A student is someone who goes to university No, a student is someone over the school leaving age who is being educated. Well I know its trendy and inclusive to call everyone who does some tin pot part time course on yoghurt knitting a student but the generally accepted definition is someone who goes to *higher* education. Not get-a-clue education for ****wits who had just about learnt to write their name when they left school. B2003 You think knitting yoghurt is easy? Anyway, the definition of higher education is pretty much down to where the funding comes from, not its content or level. |
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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On 01/10/2010 11:41, Roy Badami wrote:
On 01/10/10 11:34, Bruce wrote: "But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Assuming those really are the only two options for saving the necessary money, I wonder which would be politically more palatable? Well, 16-17 years olds can't vote... -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 5:57*pm, "Tim Fenton" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: There are different levels of NMW, depending on your age and whether you are an apprentice. The current rates a £5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over £4.92 - the 18-20 rate £3.64 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18 £2.50 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship Thank you kind Sir ;-) So 16 and 17 year olds get less guaranteed NMW than 18 to 20 year olds, but they again get less than 21 year olds. 3.64 isn't much, is it? Paying less for fares must be pretty useful in those circs. Indeed. When EMA payments have been delayed in the past I know it's really stuffed some youngsters and their families up - must admit I dunno whether the EMA scheme is itself threatened by the cuts. Info on EMA: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Educatio.../EMA/DG_066951 |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 11:34*am, Bruce wrote:
New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed: "But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Over to you, mophead! *;-) It has been stated that Crossrail will now use an abandoned Thames tunnel and railway route towards Abbey Wood. But where are these? I looked on Streetmap.co.uk but the disused railway lone isn't shown. Thanks - CJB. |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Oct 1, 9:05*pm, CJB wrote: On Oct 1, 11:34*am, Bruce wrote: New Civil Engineer reports that the Crossrail project will go ahead and that the Tube upgrade will not be axed: It has been stated that Crossrail will now use an abandoned Thames tunnel and railway route towards Abbey Wood. But where are these? I looked on Streetmap.co.uk but the disused railway lone isn't shown. The plans or route has not changed - some of the recent reporting has been deficient. New tunnel under the Thames from North Woolwich to Woolwich, but the Abbey Wood branch of Crossrail will use the old alignment of the North London Line from a point west of Custom House to a point between the old Silvertown and North Woolwich stations - this includes the old Connaught Tunnel under the Royal Albert Dock (which will be done up). See http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/custom_house/ and http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/silvertown/ - in particular the 'Brief History' section. |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
"CJB" wrote in message ... It has been stated that Crossrail will now use an abandoned Thames tunnel and railway route towards Abbey Wood. It's no more than spin, reiterating what is already planned - probably with an element of confusion by the author of whatever you read. Crossrail will use the disused Connaught Tunnel between Customs House and North Woolwich, on the route to Woolwich and Abbey wood. Lately part of the NLL (that closed in 2006 for DLR Stratford International extension), this has been the approved route for quite some time. There is no abandoned Thames tunnel on the line of route. Paul S |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
"Mizter T" wrote The plans or route has not changed - some of the recent reporting has been deficient. New tunnel under the Thames from North Woolwich to Woolwich, but the Abbey Wood branch of Crossrail will use the old alignment of the North London Line from a point west of Custom House to a point between the old Silvertown and North Woolwich stations - this includes the old Connaught Tunnel under the Royal Albert Dock (which will be done up). It will be at a lower alignment east of the Connaught Tunnel, through Silvertown station, and this is one reason why there does not seem to be a prospect of a station to serve City Airport. Peter |
Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
"Peter Masson" wrote in message ... "Mizter T" wrote The plans or route has not changed - some of the recent reporting has been deficient. New tunnel under the Thames from North Woolwich to Woolwich, but the Abbey Wood branch of Crossrail will use the old alignment of the North London Line from a point west of Custom House to a point between the old Silvertown and North Woolwich stations - this includes the old Connaught Tunnel under the Royal Albert Dock (which will be done up). It will be at a lower alignment east of the Connaught Tunnel, through Silvertown station, and this is one reason why there does not seem to be a prospect of a station to serve City Airport. I believe the idea is to provide passive provision for a Crossrail station somewhere near the safeguarded DLR station position between 'Pontoon Dock' and 'West Silvertown', perhaps above Connaught Rd? They do explicity state that the existing Silvertown ex NLL station will be completley demolished. There is only this small paragraph that I can find in the Crossrail 'east' route summary: "Provision is being made in the plans for a future station at Silvertown, should this ever be required. This would not be on the current station site, but instead would be further to the west. A DLR City Airport branch station has been safeguarded very close to here to provide possible interchange." Bit of a low profile statement all the same... Paul S |
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"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
o.uk On 01/10/2010 11:45, d wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:34:03 +0100 wrote: extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Why should they get cheaper fares in the first place? Is there something special about that particular age group? For the same that reason someone who is studying to try to better themselves, or who has spent a long day developing cures for cancer, is expected to both pay and give up their seat to a 65 year old hedge fund manager who is travelling for free? H'mm, I'm having trouble imaging a 65 year-old hedge fund manager, let alone who who travels on the Tube or buses. Much easier to think of a 35 year-old hedge fundie in his Porsche... |
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 16:33:36 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:30:32 on Fri, 1 Oct 2010, d remarked: No, a student is someone over the school leaving age who is being educated. Well I know its trendy and inclusive to call everyone who does some tin pot part time course on yoghurt knitting a student but the generally accepted definition is someone who goes to *higher* education. Not get-a-clue education for ****wits who had just about learnt to write their name when they left school. What a big chip you have on your shoulder! Round here, most of the 6th Form Colleges get better A-Level results than the schools. I'd call a kid who goes to 6th form college a pupil, not a student. Since when has A levels been higher education? B2003 |
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On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 06:09:05PM +0100, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 01/10/2010 11:41, Roy Badami wrote: On 01/10/10 11:34, Bruce wrote: "But funding for Crossrail and Tube projects will only be retained if London mayor Boris Johnson abandons plans to scrap the Western extension of the congestion charging zone or axes concessionary bus and tram fares for 16-17 year olds." Assuming those really are the only two options for saving the necessary money, I wonder which would be politically more palatable? Well, 16-17 years olds can't vote... But most of those that would be affected by having their cheap fares scrapped now will be able to vote in 2012. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" If I could read only one thing it would be the future, in the entrails of the ******* denying me access to anything else. |
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Crossrail and Tube upgrades spared the axe - NCE
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:16:15 +0100
David Cantrell wrote: No, a student is one who studies. So a 5 year old in primary school is a student then? Yeah, and being at school does tend to prevent one from getting a job that pays well, especially if you put the necessary time and effort into your studies to actually benefit from them. So what? B2003 |
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:38:00 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:46:47 on Mon, 4 Oct 2010, d remarked: Round here, most of the 6th Form Colleges get better A-Level results than the schools. I'd call a kid who goes to 6th form college a pupil, not a student. Then you are out of step with much of society. Like the NUS, who sign up 6th-formers these days. The NUS are and always have been a joke. Only the people running it who all seem to believe they're a future prime minister in waiting don't realise that. If I hadn't spent a "gappy kind of year" doing my Cambridge scholarship exams, I could easily have gone to university aged 17 and a quarter. I took a gap year and got a job to earn money to go to university. Unlike the trustafarians who bum around foreign climbs with daddies gold card patronising the locals. B2003 |
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"Roland Perry" wrote I didn't have any money, which is why I spent the second and third terms that year still at school, as (mainly) a form of volunteer technology teacher. I spent the 9 months between the Oxford entrance exam and going up working in the Public Relatioss and Publicity department of the WR London Divisional Manager's Office. Peter |
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In message , at 21:16:51 on
Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Peter Masson remarked: I didn't have any money, which is why I spent the second and third terms that year still at school, as (mainly) a form of volunteer technology teacher. I spent the 9 months between the Oxford entrance exam and going up working in the Public Relatioss and Publicity department of the WR London Divisional Manager's Office. Sounds like a great placement to have had. And I forgot, as well as doing the volunteer teaching I sat (self-taught) the first ever Computer Science A-level: Oxford board. Naturally, I got an "A" :) -- Roland Perry |
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On 04/10/2010 21:57, Roland Perry wrote:
And I forgot, as well as doing the volunteer teaching I sat (self-taught) the first ever Computer Science A-level And I bet someone still said it had got easier... -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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