On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
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The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
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On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

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On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

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On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become
more aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the
drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up'
the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but
even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who
can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of
the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression,
which quickly rises and is directed at the passengers behind
him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one else to communicate his
frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus
lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that
there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing
down appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite
quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then
stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so
that we were all flung back and forth violently. The car started
to move partially out the way, the bus moved forwards again ....
and yes, then she stamped her foot down on the brake heavily yet
again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to
interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'.
The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone
had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving we were
subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and sudden dramtic
stops, this continued until she had calmed down, and then the
journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the
lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I
have the feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in
London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

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Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
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The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her to
watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one of my
favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have
become more aware of the decline in the driving standards of
some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake
up' the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable,
but even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists
who can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in
front of the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver
aggression, which quickly rises and is directed at the
passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one
else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a
bus lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see
ahead that there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead
of slowing down appropriately, the driver went right up to the
car quite quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and
then stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off
repeatedly, so that we were all flung back and forth violently.
The car started to move partially out the way, the bus moved
forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her foot down on
the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED
to interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the
road'. The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and
someone had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving
we were subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and
sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had calmed down,
and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation
and lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this
mirrors the lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus
companies. I have the feeling bus accidents are quite common
these days in London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

On 02/10/2010 23:11, Turk182 wrote:
On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.


On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.


It is more likely to do with the undue pressure from managers to keep to
timetables!!!

Jeff

On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:16:38 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have
become more aware of the decline in the driving standards of
some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake
up' the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable,
but even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists
who can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in
front of the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver
aggression, which quickly rises and is directed at the
passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one
else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a
bus lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see
ahead that there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead
of slowing down appropriately, the driver went right up to the
car quite quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and
then stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off
repeatedly, so that we were all flung back and forth violently.
The car started to move partially out the way, the bus moved
forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her foot down on
the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED
to interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the
road'. The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and
someone had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving
we were subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and
sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had calmed down,
and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation
and lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this
mirrors the lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus
companies. I have the feeling bus accidents are quite common
these days in London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

Perhaps the BBC thought she could get away with being offensive
because she was black herself.

"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.


Why should a white person feel uncomfortable or even offended by a
black person making jokes about black people?

You can take political correctness too far.

Little Miss Jocelyn was both intelligent and hilarious - in my
opinion, one of the funniest comedy programmes of recent years!

However, the novelty wore off. The first series was nominated for a
BAFTA but the second series didn't attract such a big audience despite
being moved from BBC3 to BBC2. It got some poor reviews. Perhaps
there was too much carried over from the first series and not enough
new material.

Bruce wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got
her to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?"
was one of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.


Why should a white person feel uncomfortable or even offended by a
black person making jokes about black people?

You can take political correctness too far.

Little Miss Jocelyn was both intelligent and hilarious - in my
opinion, one of the funniest comedy programmes of recent years!

However, the novelty wore off. The first series was nominated for a
BAFTA but the second series didn't attract such a big audience despite
being moved from BBC3 to BBC2. It got some poor reviews. Perhaps
there was too much carried over from the first series and not enough
new material.

No, it was just crap and unfunny.

People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,

Not if they hate it with a vengeance.

even if it is a sh1t job. *The modern day intolerance of a job that is
less than 'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be.

But it is all real, so thank you for you historical lesson

WM

It is more likely to do with the undue pressure from managers to keep to
timetables!!!

Yes, I believe that is major issue.

WM

No, it was just crap and unfunny.

No, just very dangerous, a black woman being honest and satirical.

WM

On 02/10/2010 23:11, Turk182 wrote:
On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

If they do that, and you feel strongly enough about it, then you do have
the right to say something to TfL as there are complaint forms on TfL's
website.

It would be most useful if you could get the job number, which is
displayed on the bus. It's normally a small, removable plate with a
number just by the entrance doors, though sometimes it is placed by the
exit doors.

That number is also preceded by two letters that are painted onto the
side of the bus.

Bus drivers have no right to be behaving poorly towards customers and
taking their anger out on them -- particularly to those who didn't do
anything to them.