Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

"Turk182" wrote in message
...
On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...





On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. *Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. *The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. *I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. *Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. *The car started to move *partially out the
way, the bus *moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. *Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. *The passengers were
all quiet now. *'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. *For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". *In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. *There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. *'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. *I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; *if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

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Don't go there!

Turk182

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"Turk182" wrote in message
...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...





On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.

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lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. *I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; *if that
is true, I think I know why.

So very rare to get anything but an, apparently, 'down' bus driver.

Says something about the job, I guess.

WM

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On 3 Oct, 00:05, Nigel Oldfield
wrote:
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. *I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; *if that
is true, I think I know why.

So very rare to get anything but an, apparently, 'down' bus driver.

Says something about the job, I guess.

WM

Very true.

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Turk182

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On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

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Nigel Oldfield wrote:
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. *I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; *if that
is true, I think I know why.

So very rare to get anything but an, apparently, 'down' bus driver.

Says something about the job, I guess.


Sh1t jobs have existed since time immemorial. It doesn't mean people
have to behave like this driver apparently did.

People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,
even if it is a sh1t job. The modern day intolerance of a job that is
less than 'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be.

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become
more aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the
drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up'
the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but
even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who
can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of
the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression,
which quickly rises and is directed at the passengers behind
him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one else to communicate his
frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus
lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that
there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing
down appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite
quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then
stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so
that we were all flung back and forth violently. The car started
to move partially out the way, the bus moved forwards again ....
and yes, then she stamped her foot down on the brake heavily yet
again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to
interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'.
The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone
had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving we were
subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and sudden dramtic
stops, this continued until she had calmed down, and then the
journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the
lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I
have the feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in
London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her to
watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one of my
favourite lines.

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become
more aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the
drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up'
the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but
even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who
can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of
the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression,
which quickly rises and is directed at the passengers behind
him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one else to communicate his
frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus
lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that
there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing
down appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite
quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then
stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so
that we were all flung back and forth violently. The car started
to move partially out the way, the bus moved forwards again ....
and yes, then she stamped her foot down on the brake heavily yet
again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to
interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'.
The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone
had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving we were
subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and sudden dramtic
stops, this continued until she had calmed down, and then the
journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the
lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I
have the feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in
London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her to
watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one of my
favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

...

On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have
become more aware of the decline in the driving standards of
some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake
up' the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable,
but even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists
who can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in
front of the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver
aggression, which quickly rises and is directed at the
passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one
else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a
bus lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see
ahead that there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead
of slowing down appropriately, the driver went right up to the
car quite quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and
then stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off
repeatedly, so that we were all flung back and forth violently.
The car started to move partially out the way, the bus moved
forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her foot down on
the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED
to interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the
road'. The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and
someone had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving
we were subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and
sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had calmed down,
and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation
and lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this
mirrors the lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus
companies. I have the feeling bus accidents are quite common
these days in London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

was she large with long ginger hair?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go there!

Turk182

it is actually a serious question, as I may know her.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

Bus Drivers Indulging In Road Rage
 

On 02/10/2010 23:11, Turk182 wrote:
On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.


On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.


It is more likely to do with the undue pressure from managers to keep to
timetables!!!

Jeff

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On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:16:38 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:29:32 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT), Turk182
wrote:

On 2 Oct, 23:54, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Turk182" wrote in message

...
On 2 Oct, 23:39, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





"Turk182" wrote in message

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On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have
become more aware of the decline in the driving standards of
some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake
up' the passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable,
but even given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists
who can put the bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in
front of the bus), nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver
aggression, which quickly rises and is directed at the
passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the driver has no one
else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a
bus lane with stationary traffic to her right. I could see
ahead that there was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead
of slowing down appropriately, the driver went right up to the
car quite quickly, hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and
then stamped her foot on the brake, and then on and off
repeatedly, so that we were all flung back and forth violently.
The car started to move partially out the way, the bus moved
forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her foot down on
the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but
it didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the
obstruction, the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED
to interfere with her progress by 'breaking the rules of the
road'. The passengers were all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and
someone had to be punished. For the next 5 minutes of driving
we were subjected to her rough driving, heavy breaking and
sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had calmed down,
and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and
said through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she
bellowed back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't
deny her aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been
justified because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the
driver shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort
or of the passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression
shown to other motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in
that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation
and lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this
mirrors the lack of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus
companies. I have the feeling bus accidents are quite common
these days in London; if that is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

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Don't go there!

Turk182

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The description does not fit!

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

Perhaps the BBC thought she could get away with being offensive
because she was black herself.

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"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got her
to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?" was one
of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.


Why should a white person feel uncomfortable or even offended by a
black person making jokes about black people?

You can take political correctness too far.

Little Miss Jocelyn was both intelligent and hilarious - in my
opinion, one of the funniest comedy programmes of recent years!

However, the novelty wore off. The first series was nominated for a
BAFTA but the second series didn't attract such a big audience despite
being moved from BBC3 to BBC2. It got some poor reviews. Perhaps
there was too much carried over from the first series and not enough
new material.

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Bruce wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
The Peeler wrote:

Did she look anything like Little Miss Jocelyn, then?

her attitude was very similar, but she was not amused when I got
her to watch that show. "What do you think I am, an A to Z?"
was one of my favourite lines.

A shame they took it off the air. Many clips are still available on
youtube, though.

It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.


Why should a white person feel uncomfortable or even offended by a
black person making jokes about black people?

You can take political correctness too far.

Little Miss Jocelyn was both intelligent and hilarious - in my
opinion, one of the funniest comedy programmes of recent years!

However, the novelty wore off. The first series was nominated for a
BAFTA but the second series didn't attract such a big audience despite
being moved from BBC3 to BBC2. It got some poor reviews. Perhaps
there was too much carried over from the first series and not enough
new material.

No, it was just crap and unfunny.

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People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,

Not if they hate it with a vengeance.

even if it is a sh1t job. *The modern day intolerance of a job that is
less than 'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be.

But it is all real, so thank you for you historical lesson :)

WM

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It is more likely to do with the undue pressure from managers to keep to
timetables!!!

Yes, I believe that is major issue.

WM

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No, it was just crap and unfunny.

No, just very dangerous, a black woman being honest and satirical.

WM

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On 02/10/2010 23:11, Turk182 wrote:
On two or three of my many recent London bus trips, I have become more
aware of the decline in the driving standards of some of the drivers.

One of the most common traits, seems to be a desire to 'shake up' the
passengers. Of course, London traffic is unpredictable, but even
given the uncertainties, (such as the other motorists who can put the
bus driver in a no-win dillema by cutting in front of the bus),
nonetheless, there seems to be a bus driver aggression, which quickly
rises and is directed at the passengers behind him/her; perhaps as the
driver has no one else to communicate his frustration to.

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

By now, we were all pretty shaken, elderly and young alike - but it
didn't stop there. Because even after we had passed the obstruction,
the bus driver remained angry - someone had DARED to interfere with
her progress by 'breaking the rules of the road'. The passengers were
all quiet now. 'Mummy was angry' and someone had to be punished. For
the next 5 minutes of driving we were subjected to her rough driving,
heavy breaking and sudden dramtic stops, this continued until she had
calmed down, and then the journey became more tolerable.

After getting out, I quickly walked to the front of the bus and said
through the doors, "there was no need to do all that heavy
breaking ... there are old folk on board you know!" ......she bellowed
back, "he was in my way". In other words, she didn't deny her
aggresive driving, instead she claimed that it had been justified
because someone had 'got in her way'.

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

I believe the problems are linked to poor emotional regulation and
lack of genuine care for others, and in some way this mirrors the lack
of care for the drivers by large, arrogant bus companies. I have the
feeling bus accidents are quite common these days in London; if that
is true, I think I know why.

Turk182

If they do that, and you feel strongly enough about it, then you do have
the right to say something to TfL as there are complaint forms on TfL's
website.

It would be most useful if you could get the job number, which is
displayed on the bus. It's normally a small, removable plate with a
number just by the entrance doors, though sometimes it is placed by the
exit doors.

That number is also preceded by two letters that are painted onto the
side of the bus.

Bus drivers have no right to be behaving poorly towards customers and
taking their anger out on them -- particularly to those who didn't do
anything to them.

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Nigel Oldfield wrote:

People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,

Not if they hate it with a vengeance.


I have had several jobs that I hated with a vengeance. The only way I
kept my sanity was to do them well and gain some pride and
satisfaction from doing that.

I repeat, the modern day intolerance of a job that is less than
'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be. In other
words, their pain is self inflicted.

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"Pete Zahut" wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Why should a white person feel uncomfortable or even offended by a
black person making jokes about black people?

You can take political correctness too far.

Little Miss Jocelyn was both intelligent and hilarious - in my
opinion, one of the funniest comedy programmes of recent years!

However, the novelty wore off. The first series was nominated for a
BAFTA but the second series didn't attract such a big audience despite
being moved from BBC3 to BBC2. It got some poor reviews. Perhaps
there was too much carried over from the first series and not enough
new material.

No, it was just crap and unfunny.


No-one forced you to watch it. Doesn't your TV have an off button, or
the facility to change to another channel?

Anyway, it wasn't "crap and unfunny", otherwise it wouldn't have been
nominated for a BAFTA. If it wasn't to your taste, and you carried on
watching it, then tough!

The first series was one of the funniest comedy shows I have seen for
a few years. The second series fell a little flat which is presumably
why it was dropped.

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Nigel Oldfield wrote:

No, it was just crap and unfunny.

No, just very dangerous, a black woman being honest and satirical.


I asked several black friends what they thought of the show when the
first series was on. Some of them thought it was hilarious, some
thought it was mildly funny, but they all enjoyed it.

A couple of them, of West Indian origin, thought that Jocelyn Jee
Esien, who is of Nigerian origin, was particularly good when
lampooning Caribbean people in general and Jamaicans in particular.

No-one was in the least bit offended. Far from it!

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The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:16:38 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:
It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

Perhaps the BBC thought she could get away with being offensive
because she was black herself.


Does anyone find it offensive when white female comedians lampoon
white people?

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People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,

Not if they hate it with a vengeance.

I have had several jobs that I hated with a vengeance. *The only way I
kept my sanity was to do them well and gain some pride and
satisfaction from doing that.

You see, *you* found a coping mechanism - excellent.

BTW, were you in tears, knocking your head against the wall
(literally), nearly every morning, IBS filling your loo a number of
times a day? that is hating your job.

I repeat, the modern day intolerance of a job that is less than
'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be. *In other
words, their pain is self inflicted.

But real. We respond in response to our environment (alongside our
genetics). Our present environment (and our principles) promotes your
'intolerance of a job' mindset; some would say this 'a good thing'

WM

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No-one was in the least bit offended. Far from it!

Did I say dangerous to blacks?

WM

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Nigel Oldfield wrote:
No-one was in the least bit offended. Far from it!

Did I say dangerous to blacks?


I wasn't arguing with you!

Perhaps I should have started and ended my message with the words
"PLEASE NOTE, I AM AGREEING WITH YOU".

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Nigel Oldfield wrote:
People can take a lot of pride and satisfaction in doing a job well,

Not if they hate it with a vengeance.

I have had several jobs that I hated with a vengeance. *The only way I
kept my sanity was to do them well and gain some pride and
satisfaction from doing that.

You see, *you* found a coping mechanism - excellent.

BTW, were you in tears, knocking your head against the wall
(literally), nearly every morning, IBS filling your loo a number of
times a day? that is hating your job.


If I hadn't found a way to cope, I feel sure I would have been. Yes,
I suffered from IBS and still do. Perhaps you have pointed out why!

By the way, added to your list was that the money they paid me wasn't
enough to live on at more than a subsistence level.

But 10 years before, people in my position actually paid their
"employers" for the privilege of doing what I did. At least I got a
salary, pittance though it was.


I repeat, the modern day intolerance of a job that is less than
'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be. *In other
words, their pain is self inflicted.

But real. We respond in response to our environment (alongside our
genetics). Our present environment (and our principles) promotes your
'intolerance of a job' mindset; some would say this 'a good thing'


That is only 'a good thing' if you can actually do something to change
your situation for the better. If this is impracticable, the least
worst approach is almost certainly finding a coping mechanism.

What has changed between the generations is that young people are now
quite unprepared for any adversity, and even find boredom
unacceptable. When I were a lad, I would gladly have swapped my
ordeal for mere boredom!

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"Bruce" wrote in message
...
Nigel Oldfield wrote:
No-one was in the least bit offended. Far from it!

Did I say dangerous to blacks?


I wasn't arguing with you!

Perhaps I should have started and ended my message with the words
"PLEASE NOTE, I AM AGREEING WITH YOU".



NP - just clarifying.

WM

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You see, *you* found a coping mechanism - excellent.

BTW, were you in tears, knocking your head against the wall
(literally), nearly every morning, IBS filling your loo a number of
times a day? that is hating your job.

If I hadn't found a way to cope, I feel sure I would have been. Yes,
I suffered from IBS and still do. Perhaps you have pointed out why!

;) Been there mate.

By the way, added to your list was that the money they paid me wasn't
enough to live on at more than a subsistence level.

But 10 years before, people in my position actually paid their
"employers" for the privilege of doing what I did. At least I got a
salary, pittance though it was.

Some of us think that is unacceptable (for a prolonged period).

I repeat, the modern day intolerance of a job that is less than
'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be. In other
words, their pain is self inflicted.

But real. We respond in response to our environment (alongside our
genetics). Our present environment (and our principles) promotes your
'intolerance of a job' mindset; some would say this 'a good thing'

That is only 'a good thing' if you can actually do something to change
your situation for the better. If this is impracticable, the least
worst approach is almost certainly finding a coping mechanism.

There's the rub. Most self-medicate.

What has changed between the generations is that young people are now
quite unprepared for any adversity, and even find boredom
unacceptable. When I were a lad, I would gladly have swapped my
ordeal for mere boredom!

Take care on who you hold responsible for it :)

WM

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"Nigel Oldfield" wrote:


"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
Nigel Oldfield wrote:
No-one was in the least bit offended. Far from it!

Did I say dangerous to blacks?


I wasn't arguing with you!

Perhaps I should have started and ended my message with the words
"PLEASE NOTE, I AM AGREEING WITH YOU".



NP - just clarifying.



;-)

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Turk182 wrote:

On about one third of the London buses I travel on, I sense the driver
shows very poor appreciation of either passenger comfort or of the
passenger's sense of safety. There is real aggression shown to other
motorists. 'My big vehicle can intimidate you in that small car'.

Well, there's been an element of that for a long time. Bus drivers will
pull out without bothering to check mirrors in most instances and will
use the size of their vehicle to intimidate others.

Stagecoach drivers seem to be hitting some new low. I've noticed over
the last six months that they regularly break speed limits by a
considerable margin. It's not at all rare to find double decker buses
exceeding 50mph in 30 limits. The service through the village where I
live is frequently seen driving at a steady 50 through a succession of
30 and 40 mph limits. It's also not unusual to see the same bus being
driven at stupidly high speeds on narrow country lanes the drivers never
slow to pass other vehicles and seem to have an attitude of "get out of
my way!"

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"Nigel Oldfield" wrote:
You see, *you* found a coping mechanism - excellent.

BTW, were you in tears, knocking your head against the wall
(literally), nearly every morning, IBS filling your loo a number of
times a day? that is hating your job.

If I hadn't found a way to cope, I feel sure I would have been. Yes,
I suffered from IBS and still do. Perhaps you have pointed out why!

;) Been there mate.

By the way, added to your list was that the money they paid me wasn't
enough to live on at more than a subsistence level.

But 10 years before, people in my position actually paid their
"employers" for the privilege of doing what I did. At least I got a
salary, pittance though it was.

Some of us think that is unacceptable (for a prolonged period).

I repeat, the modern day intolerance of a job that is less than
'perfect' only makes people unhappier than they need to be. In other
words, their pain is self inflicted.

But real. We respond in response to our environment (alongside our
genetics). Our present environment (and our principles) promotes your
'intolerance of a job' mindset; some would say this 'a good thing'

That is only 'a good thing' if you can actually do something to change
your situation for the better. If this is impracticable, the least
worst approach is almost certainly finding a coping mechanism.

There's the rub. Most self-medicate.


True. That wasn't so easily available when I was younger. But it
does go some way towards explaining why our rates of drug and alcohol
use (and so many other consequences of dissatisfaction with life) are
the worst in the western world.

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True. That wasn't so easily available when I was younger. But it
does go some way towards explaining why our rates of drug and alcohol
use (and so many other consequences of dissatisfaction with life) are
the worst in the western world.

That, my friend, is self-medication.

WM

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On 03/10/2010 19:53, Bruce wrote:
"Nigel wrote:


That is only 'a good thing' if you can actually do something to change
your situation for the better. If this is impracticable, the least
worst approach is almost certainly finding a coping mechanism.

There's the rub. Most self-medicate.


True. That wasn't so easily available when I was younger. But it
does go some way towards explaining why our rates of drug and alcohol
use (and so many other consequences of dissatisfaction with life) are
the worst in the western world.

Because of course in ye good olde days it was _completely unheard of_
for the working classes to drown their sorrows in drink. When Bruce was
a lad no-one ever produced prints to highlight the evils of, say,
excessive consumption of gin...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:03:40 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

The Peeler wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:16:38 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:
It was incredibly offensive (to blacks, I thought) and some episodes
scarcely had a laugh, others were very good.

Perhaps the BBC thought she could get away with being offensive
because she was black herself.


Does anyone find it offensive when white female comedians lampoon
white people?

Of course not. White people are not a diversity-enhancing protected
species.

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The Peeler wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:03:40 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Does anyone find it offensive when white female comedians lampoon
white people?

Of course not. White people are not a diversity-enhancing protected
species.


I must remember to put that in my Archive of Useful Definitions. ;-)

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Turk182 set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:

Here is the best example I can give you at the moment. The bus
driver, a female in this instance, was making her way along a bus lane
with stationary traffic to her right. I could see ahead that there
was a car partially blocking the lane. Instead of slowing down
appropriately, the driver went right up to the car quite quickly,
hooted several long hoots of the hooter, and then stamped her foot on
the brake, and then on and off repeatedly, so that we were all flung
back and forth violently. The car started to move partially out the
way, the bus moved forwards again .... and yes, then she stamped her
foot down on the brake heavily yet again.

Bring back the Routemasters and RT's in London, let's have the AEC Regents
and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good old fashioned
buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking described.
--
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:32:29 +0100, Prai Jei
wrote:
Bring back the Routemasters and RTs in London, let's have the AEC
Regents and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good
old fashioned buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking
described.

I think you'd be amazed how quickly an RT could (can) stop, for example
pitching a small child in the top front row head first off his seat...
into a bag full of soft things, luckily.

Acceleration is another matter. Gathering speed describes it better.

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

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Colin McKenzie set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 21:32:29 +0100, Prai Jei
wrote:
Bring back the Routemasters and RTs in London, let's have the AEC
Regents and Guy Arab V's back on the road in Cardiff, etc. Those good
old fashioned buses were simply not *capable* of the heavy braking
described.

I think you'd be amazed how quickly an RT could (can) stop, for example
pitching a small child in the top front row head first off his seat...
into a bag full of soft things, luckily.

Acceleration is another matter. Gathering speed describes it better.

Colin McKenzie


Sounds like you speak from experience. Were you the small child in question?

Any RT's still on the loose in London? One AEC Regent survives in Cardiff,
in private hands, regularly dusted off for vintage transport rallies.
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