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Robert Woolley wrote:
(a low frequency scheduled paratransit service). It is low frequency (typically only two journeys, only 1 day per week) and it is scheduled, but is it paratransit? I thought "paratransit" referred to the (council operated) Dial-A-Ride schemes. I've used the phrase in this context as Mobility Buses have such low frequencies and used specialised vehicles. Not that specialised - I've known them to be used on normal buses occasionally. Don't forget that there is a progressive introduction of mainstream bus routes in deeply residential areas.... They're not progressing with it very quickly - it will take a long time to get them everywhere the mobility buses go. |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Robert Woolley wrote:
wrote: In misc.transport.urban-transit Access Systems wrote: In misc.transport.urban-transit Robert Woolley wrote: wrote: unfortunately for some stupid reason most of those buses do not actually have the ramp installed. there are some 5,600 fully accessible buses in service in London, compared to a quoted figure on MTA's web page at LOW floor does not = accessible The vast majority of these have ramps. Low floor plus ramp looks pretty accessible to me. low floor with ramp is accessible, unless a lot of ramps have been retrofitted the first couple thousand low floors were delived without the ramps....will double check with my source in London. my check shows that as of Sept approx 3500 of the 5500 LT buses are Low floor, most of these have a kneeling feature and space on board for wheelchairs but most do not comply with DDA (UK-ADA) "only the low floor buses with the double center doors have the power ramps" LT proclaims that their bus fleet will be fully DDA compliant by 2017 LT ceased to exist on 15 July. right, name change old habit The 2017 timetable relates to DDA requirements. Routemasters are but you were comparing with NYC, NYCTA buses are 100% ADA compliant. rapidly becoming the last non accessible vehicles in London and they're being withdrawn. Soon they'll only be left on a couple of special 'heritage; routes.... and people with disabilities don't need to travel on heritage routes??? Bob "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named |
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Access Systems wrote:
In misc.transport.urban-transit Robert Woolley wrote: Routemasters are rapidly becoming the last non accessible vehicles in London and they're being withdrawn. Soon they'll only be left on a couple of special 'heritage; routes.... and people with disabilities don't need to travel on heritage routes??? No, because other routes using fully accessible buses will be available for the same journeys. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Access Systems wrote in message ...
In misc.transport.urban-transit Boltar wrote: Access Systems wrote in message ... also a much higher percentage of the subway (tube) stations are accessible.. Thats because they're not nearly so deep down and so its a lot easier to only a small percentage are "deep" what's the problem with the rest I think you missed the point.The majority of underground LU stations are deep down bored tunnel. Installing a life means boring a shaft , not simply cutting a hole in the roof as in NYC. retro fit lifts. Though to be honest even assuming someone in a wheelchair could get down to the platform , how they'd get on a tube train in the rush hour beats me. why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible. Some types of tube trains are a lot smaller than subway trains, the platforms are narrower and the platforms are not level with the train floors in most cases. Also on the trains there is nowhere for a wheelchair to go other than block the doorways causing a safety hazard. this has always been the biggest obstacle to access, people who have never been there (using a wheelchair) telling the users what they "can't" do without ever bothering to find out what they "can do". Anything can be done if you have a couple of billion to spare. LU doesn't. everyone else uses, so start by making the busiest stations accessible. See above. B2003 |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:27 -0000, Access Systems
wrote: as an aside the loss of the World Trade center station on PATH and NYCTA was a major loss for people with disabilites in NYC as it was the major accessible station in lower Mannhatan and the substitute stations were for the most part inaccessible. The temporary PATH terminal which opened last month restored accessibility to the E and downtown N/R platforms that are on the same level as the former WTC Concourse. -- Peter Schleifer "Who mistook my steak for chicken?" |
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Access Systems wrote:
why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible. The fact that it isn't so heavily subsidized. |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Aidan Stanger wrote:
Access Systems wrote: why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible. The fact that it isn't so heavily subsidized. BS if I ever heard it. Bob -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named |
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In misc.transport.urban-transit Boltar wrote:
Access Systems wrote in message ... In misc.transport.urban-transit Boltar wrote: Access Systems wrote in message ... also a much higher percentage of the subway (tube) stations are accessible.. Thats because they're not nearly so deep down and so its a lot easier to only a small percentage are "deep" what's the problem with the rest I think you missed the point.The majority of underground LU stations are deep down bored tunnel. Installing a life means boring a shaft , not simply cutting a hole in the roof as in NYC. only a few lines are deep, the rest are fairly shallow, and NYC has their share of deep tunnels, boring a shaft is not as hard as it sounds (finding a place to bore it is much harder) retro fit lifts. Though to be honest even assuming someone in a wheelchair could get down to the platform , how they'd get on a tube train in the rush hour beats me. why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible. Some types of tube trains are a lot smaller than subway trains, the platforms right the deep ones, but wheelchairs are not that big are narrower and the platforms are not level with the train floors in most narrow platforms are quite common in other cities, and as a few cities have done raising a short section of the platform to floor height is quite simple and inexpensive cases. Also on the trains there is nowhere for a wheelchair to go other than block the doorways causing a safety hazard. in other words the same place as everyone else. this has always been the biggest obstacle to access, people who have never been there (using a wheelchair) telling the users what they "can't" do without ever bothering to find out what they "can do". Anything can be done if you have a couple of billion to spare. LU doesn't. I found a long time ago, that is someone wants to do something they will find a way, and if they don't want to do it they will find an excuse.. everyone else uses, so start by making the busiest stations accessible. See above. see answer above Bob -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:12:31 -0000, Access Systems
wrote: In misc.transport.urban-transit Aidan Stanger wrote: Access Systems wrote: why should there be a problem...people in wheelchairs regularly ride NYC and Tokyo subways at rush hour, what makes the tube any less possible. The fact that it isn't so heavily subsidized. BS if I ever heard it. Fine, what would you like - accessibility or service cuts? Vehicle replacement (providing trains with wheelchair access) is relatively easy. Putting access into a deep level mass transit system is much more easy -- rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk |
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