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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128
What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? I am sure they are currently preparing their excuses for threatening to strike during the Olympic Games. |
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, at 04:31:39 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Paul remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? "The spokesman said: "It used to be almost guaranteed that if you worked one bank holiday, you would not work the next. But the increase in service levels has meant this is now no longer possible. "We are not opposed to additional services for customers, but we believe that there are times when staff need to be appropriately compensated for working at highly unsocial times - and that includes Boxing Day." But, of course, the 26th isn't a Bank Holiday this year. Or are they talking about the 28th, or was that the 27th (cont'd page 94). (I knew that there was a reason for worrying about the Bank Holiday arrangements this year!) -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote: In message , at 04:31:39 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Paul remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? "The spokesman said: "It used to be almost guaranteed that if you worked one bank holiday, you would not work the next. But the increase in service levels has meant this is now no longer possible. "We are not opposed to additional services for customers, but we believe that there are times when staff need to be appropriately compensated for working at highly unsocial times - and that includes Boxing Day." But, of course, the 26th isn't a Bank Holiday this year. Or are they talking about the 28th, or was that the 27th (cont'd page 94). (I knew that there was a reason for worrying about the Bank Holiday arrangements this year!) Indeed! The unions complaint seems to be about LU treating the 26th as a normal Sunday (i.e. without offering those working any additional pay) - but there could be various other grievances w.r.t. Bank Holiday working on top of this. I wonder if LU has given some sort of non-contractual bonus in the past when the 26th has fallen on a weekend day - and the issue is that they're not offering it this time round? Anyhow, I can almost here Philip Green (he of Arcadia Group - Topshop et al - and friend of Tories in high places) bellowing down the phone at Boris to sort it! |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:43:41 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: believe that there are times when staff need to be appropriately compensated for working at highly unsocial times - and that includes Boxing Day." But, of course, the 26th isn't a Bank Holiday this year. Or are they talking about the 28th, or was that the 27th (cont'd page 94). Its just another pathetic excuse for a strike. Anything for a day off. B2003 |
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Paul wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? I am sure they are currently preparing their excuses for threatening to strike during the Olympic Games. You mean the tube runs on Boxing Day? If so, it must be just about the only rail service that does. -roy |
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On Nov 10, 10:03*pm, wrote: In article , (Roy Badami) wrote: Paul wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? I am sure they are currently preparing their excuses for threatening to strike during the Olympic Games. You mean the tube runs on Boxing Day? * Yep. If so, it must be just about the only rail service that does. In England maybe. No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. This webpage details what happened last year (Xmas 2009): http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...00/8413759.stm For the record, I'll copy and paste the relevant bits below: ---quote--- * Gatwick Express Boxing Day - a half-hourly service. * Heathrow Express Boxing Day - Saturday service. * Southeastern Boxing Day - limited Southeastern service will run on the following routes: Victoria to Orpington via Herne Hill, Victoria to Gillingham, Victoria to Slade Green via Bexleyheath, Victoria to Slade Green via Woolwich Arsenal, Victoria to Ashford International * Southern Boxing Day - limited service between Victoria and Brighton, London Bridge to East Croydon via Norwood Junction and London Bridge and East Croydon via Selhurst. * Stansted Express Boxing Day, Sunday 27th December, Bank Holiday Monday 28th December - services will only run between Tottenham Hale and Stansted Airport. ---/quote--- I haven't checked what Southern and Southeastern are running this year, though I understand from a comment on uk.r that SE aren't running the service to Gillingham. I have however checked the airport express services - all are running: the HEx website states it'll be running every 20 minutes; GatEx appears to be half-hourly albeit with a slightly extended journey time; Stansted Express is again seemingly only running to/from Tottenham Hale (for onward connections via the Tube - if it runs...) - FWIW, all StEx trains appear to be stopping at both Bishops Stortford and Harlow Town, should anyone want to come into London via that route. Oh, and Eurostar runs on Boxing Day too, if that counts. |
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, at 18:15:23 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked: * Stansted Express Boxing Day, Sunday 27th December, Bank Holiday Monday 28th December - services will only run between Tottenham Hale and Stansted Airport. Full marks to them for spelling out the various days. 26-28th again this year, presumably? -- Roland Perry |
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On Nov 11, 9:09*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:15:23 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked: * Stansted Express Boxing Day, Sunday 27th December, Bank Holiday Monday 28th December - services will only run between Tottenham Hale and Stansted Airport. Full marks to them for spelling out the various days. 26-28th again this year, presumably? This year's NR Christmas/New Year timetable amendments are now up at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ex_custom.html |
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On Nov 10, 12:43*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:31:39 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Paul remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? * * * * "The spokesman said: "It used to be almost guaranteed that if * * * * you worked one bank holiday, you would not work the next. But * * * * the increase in service levels has meant this is now no longer * * * * possible. * * * * "We are not opposed to additional services for customers, but we * * * * believe that there are times when staff need to be appropriately * * * * compensated for working at highly unsocial times - and that * * * * includes Boxing Day." But, of course, the 26th isn't a Bank Holiday this year. Or are they talking about the 28th, or was that the 27th (cont'd page 94). (I knew that there was a reason for worrying about the Bank Holiday arrangements this year!) Given that this problem comes up every few years (2004 being the last time Christmas Day fell on a Saturday), you'd have thought they'd have a decent solution by now. I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December 25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day / Boxing Day holiday. (That said, I don't get anything extra for working on a Sunday or public holiday - do LU workers?) |
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wrote: (Mizter T) wrote: You mean the tube runs on Boxing Day? Yep. If so, it must be just about the only rail service that does. In England maybe. No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. You're overlooking Scotland with a full(ish) service. No, I haven't - I was just responding to your "In England maybe" comment. |
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:31:39AM -0800, Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? It's not like anyone works that week anyway, so strike away, no-one will care! -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age Repent through spending |
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 06:15:23PM -0800, Mizter T wrote:
In article , (Roy Badami) wrote: You mean the tube runs on Boxing Day? =A0 If so, it must be just about the only rail service that does. No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. This webpage details what happened last year (Xmas 2009): http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...000/8413759.s= tm For the record, I'll copy and paste the relevant bits below: ---quote--- * Southern Boxing Day - limited service between Victoria and Brighton, London Bridge to East Croydon via Norwood Junction and London Bridge and East Croydon via Selhurst. That has to be London *Victoria* and East Croydon via Selhurst. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" Deck of Cards: $1.29. "101 Solitaire Variations" book: $6.59. Cheap replacement for the one thing Windows is good at: priceless -- Shane Lazarus |
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On Nov 11, 11:22 am, martin wrote: On Nov 11, 9:09 am, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:15:23 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Mizter T remarked: * Stansted Express Boxing Day, Sunday 27th December, Bank Holiday Monday 28th December - services will only run between Tottenham Hale and Stansted Airport. Full marks to them for spelling out the various days. 26-28th again this year, presumably? This year's NR Christmas/New Year timetable amendments are now up at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...ex_custom.html Thanks Martin - has that just gone up, or did I do a really inept job of looking for it yesterday? I see Southeastern seems to have completely given up, which is rather a shame - I dunno if it's just that the 26th being a Sunday made things too difficult staffing wise, or patronage wasn't high enough in previous years, or that it was all just too much bother. Southern is once again running a limited service on Boxing Day (the 26th), but this is affected by engineering works twixt Balham and Victoria meaning that the South London 'Metro' services will terminate at Balham with a replacement bus provided to Victoria (or of course there's the tube from Balham... if it runs!). The Brighton trains will however run into Victoria. |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? I thought they come out with this argument every time that there's a weekend Boxing Day and a weekday in lieu. They want whatever extras they get on both days. Paul |
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"David Cantrell" wrote Mizter T wrote: For the record, I'll copy and paste the relevant bits below: ---quote--- * Southern Boxing Day - limited service between Victoria and Brighton, London Bridge to East Croydon via Norwood Junction and London Bridge and East Croydon via Selhurst. That has to be London *Victoria* and East Croydon via Selhurst. The train service database seems to think that there is a Sutton-West Croydon-Selhurst-Balham stopping service, an East Croydon-Crystal Palace-Balham stopping service and a Brighton-Victoria service with calls at Selhurst and Streatham Common. A rail replacement bus service runs Balham - Wandsworth Common - Clapham Jn - Battersea Park - Victoria. |
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, at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin remarked: I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December 25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day / Boxing Day holiday. Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation? (That said, I don't get anything extra for working on a Sunday or public holiday - do LU workers?) Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank Holiday Mondays. The only attendees who seem to get their voices heard are the Americans, who try very hard to make sure dates aren't set which overlap their public holidays (the meetings in question are rarely held actually inside USA). -- Roland Perry |
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"John Salmon" wrote
The train service database seems to think that there is a Sutton-West Croydon-Selhurst-Balham stopping service, an East Croydon-Crystal Palace-Balham stopping service and a Brighton-Victoria service with calls at Selhurst and Streatham Common. A rail replacement bus service runs Balham - Wandsworth Common - Clapham Jn - Battersea Park - Victoria. And it's confirmed he http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...nformation.pdf |
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"John Salmon" wrote: [cross-posted to uk.railway] "David Cantrell" wrote: Mizter T wrote: For the record, I'll copy and paste the relevant bits below: ---quote--- * Southern Boxing Day - limited service between Victoria and Brighton, London Bridge to East Croydon via Norwood Junction and London Bridge and East Croydon via Selhurst. That has to be London *Victoria* and East Croydon via Selhurst. The train service database seems to think that there is a Sutton-West Croydon-Selhurst-Balham stopping service, an East Croydon-Crystal Palace-Balham stopping service and a Brighton-Victoria service with calls at Selhurst and Streatham Common. A rail replacement bus service runs Balham - Wandsworth Common - Clapham Jn - Battersea Park - Victoria. As I made clear in my post on utl, the text I copied and pasted (which is shown above) came from a still extant BBC London webpage which detailed *last year's* festive period rail services - i.e. 2009/2010. At the time of writing that post, NRE had not yet put up their guide to xmas/new year rail travel for this year (2010/2011) - though they appear to have done so this morning (see my separate uk.r post on this). I have no idea whether or not the Selhurst service mentioned above went into London Bridge last year, as the text on the BBC webpage states, or whether that was a mistake and it went into Victoria. The aforementioned BBC London webpage for last year is he http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...00/8413759.stm or via http://tinyurl.com/Festive-rail-travel-2009-2010 |
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On Nov 11, 1:11*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin remarked: I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December 25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day / Boxing Day holiday. Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation? I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube. Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted. |
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On Nov 11, 2:17 pm, martin wrote: On Nov 11, 1:11 pm, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin remarked: I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December 25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day / Boxing Day holiday. Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation? I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube. Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted. I dare say it is sorted as per the contractual terms, it's just that the unions like to try and extract that bit extra - indeed, perhaps in previous years ex-gratia payments have been made (and in a sense that wouldn't be that different to the concept concept of there being things done outside of the 'written policy', e.g. some management discretion, 'long standing local agreement' etc) - and maybe the issue is that nothing of the sort is being countenanced by LU this year (as the kitty is empty). Add onto that the general disquiet about the future. Perhaps the best place to find out more would be the District Dave forum - plenty of LU staff pop in there. I might ask, if the issue isn't live there already. Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in? |
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On Nov 11, 2:17 pm, martin wrote: On Nov 11, 1:11 pm, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin remarked: I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December 25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day / Boxing Day holiday. Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation? I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube. Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted. I dare say it is sorted as per the contractual terms, it's just that the unions like to try and extract that bit extra - indeed, perhaps in previous years ex-gratia payments have been made (and in a sense that wouldn't be that different to the concept concept of there being things done outside of the 'written policy', e.g. some management discretion, 'long standing local agreement' etc) - and maybe the issue is that nothing of the sort is being countenanced by LU this year (as the kitty is empty). Add onto that the general disquiet about the future. Perhaps the best place to find out more would be the District Dave forum - plenty of LU staff pop in there. I might ask, if the issue isn't live there already. Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in? |
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Mizter T wrote: No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. This webpage details what happened last year (Xmas 2009): http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...00/8413759.stm Interesting, thanks. I knew about the airport services, but not the others (nor the Scottish ones). I'm just so used to everything in this country shutting down over Christmas... -roy |
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"Roy Badami" wrote: Mizter T wrote: No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. This webpage details what happened last year (Xmas 2009): http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...00/8413759.stm Interesting, thanks. I knew about the airport services, but not the others (nor the Scottish ones). I'm just so used to everything in this country shutting down over Christmas... You might be surprised at the number of corner shop / convenience store type establishments that one can find open in at least some parts of London on Christmas Day itself - to be honest, it has surprised me a bit too! A number of public hostelries also open up, albeit generally I think only for limited hours - plus there are those pubs that go in for the full Christmas lunch fandango too of course. Back on topic(-ish), the Oxford Tube runs on on Xmas day but reroutes itself to serve Heathrow en route to Oxford (and hence misses Hillingdon), and so that provides an alternative to the HEx bus - see: http://www.oxfordtube.com/serviceinfo_7973.php I think that airport coach services run from London to Luton (Greenline) and Stansted (NX) on Xmas day too. |
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Mizter T wrote: You might be surprised at the number of corner shop / convenience store type establishments that one can find open in at least some parts of London on Christmas Day itself - to be honest, it has surprised me a bit too! Yeah, that happens to some extent outside London, too, IME. There are enough shops run by people from immigrant communities that don't seem to celebrate Christmas at all (i.e. they wouldn't be doing anything special even if they had the day off). As an aside, this always strikes me as slighly odd -- I'm an atheist myself so Christmas has no religious significance for me, but I still regard it as the traditional time to visit family and give gifts. And most people I know would be happy just to celebrate being given a day off work, regardless of the reason -- but I guess if you're in business for yourself your outlook is different. Mainly I was thinking about public transport, though. In Cambridge, IIRC last year there were no buses on Christmas Day, Boxing Day or New Year's Day (other bank holidays during the year had a Sunday service), so it's interesting to learn that the tube still runs on Boxing Day. Does the rest of TfL run, too (DLR, Overground, TramLink, buses)? Is it pretty much a full service? Presumably nothing at all runs on Christmas Day itself? -roy |
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Badami) wrote: In article , Mizter T wrote: No - there's a few Southern and Southeastern services, plus (reduced) airport express services. This webpage details what happened last year (Xmas 2009): http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/h...413000/8413759. stm Interesting, thanks. I knew about the airport services, but not the others (nor the Scottish ones). I'm just so used to everything in this country shutting down over Christmas... They don't have Boxing Day as a holiday in Scotland, Roy. They had New Year's Day long before England did and have the next day off as well now. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Roy Badami" wrote: Mizter T wrote: You might be surprised at the number of corner shop / convenience store type establishments that one can find open in at least some parts of London on Christmas Day itself - to be honest, it has surprised me a bit too! Yeah, that happens to some extent outside London, too, IME. There are enough shops run by people from immigrant communities that don't seem to celebrate Christmas at all (i.e. they wouldn't be doing anything special even if they had the day off). As an aside, this always strikes me as slighly odd -- I'm an atheist myself so Christmas has no religious significance for me, but I still regard it as the traditional time to visit family and give gifts. And most people I know would be happy just to celebrate being given a day off work, regardless of the reason -- but I guess if you're in business for yourself your outlook is different. Yeah, I think so. Regarding my surprise - I've always been aware of it, though I think the number of shops opening has increased over the years (what with the whole convenience culture and all that - there'll be some demand if there's some supply) - but I really started taking notice of it when I decided to count the number of shops I could see open on a there-and-back cycle journey (taking a different return route) on a Christmas day morning a few years ago - I can't now remember how many I got to, but it was lots. Mainly I was thinking about public transport, though. In Cambridge, IIRC last year there were no buses on Christmas Day, Boxing Day or New Year's Day (other bank holidays during the year had a Sunday service), so it's interesting to learn that the tube still runs on Boxing Day. Does the rest of TfL run, too (DLR, Overground, TramLink, buses)? Is it pretty much a full service? Not quite - on Boxing Day (26th) it's normally a kind of reduced Sunday service I think, maybe take the Sunday out of that and just call it a reduced service. Ditto on the DLR. IIRC on the buses and Tramlink it's basically a Sunday service. No service on LO - at least, there hasn't been thus far (LO of course is rather dependent on Network Rail - but it's possible I suppose, given the limited mainline services running elsewhere on the network). I've got a PDF of last years TfL leaflet somewhere I'm sure, maybe I'll try and dig it up - though this years info will be out fairly soon I'd think. Presumably nothing at all runs on Christmas Day itself? No. (Well, nothing of TfL's - GatEx and HEx offer buses instead, and the diverted Oxford Tube provides a link to Heathrow.) In previous years some of the bus companies have run a few special services around central London off their own back, charging special fares - I think London General was one of them - but nothing like this happened last year. Actually, just had a thought - in a sense there will be a TfL service on Christmas day, that of the Cycle Hire scheme which I imagine will be operating. However as 'casual access' has not yet been implemented (that's planned for sometime in the new year I think), anyone wanting to use it would need to be a member and be in possession of a key. I guess it's possible that the docking stations could be configured not to allow anyone to hire a bike on Xmas day itself (whilst still allowing for returns), with the reason being that there weren't any staff at the control room to monitor it all - that said, given the assets that are out on the street as part of the scheme (in other words the bikes!) I can't help but think that the control room would be staffed, and thus I reckon it'll be possible to hire a bike on Xmas day - we shall see what actually transpires in good time though. |
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On Nov 11, 2:54*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in? I daresay they wouldn't begrudge me claiming at the HMRC-recommended rate of 20p per mile. In fact, if the weather's not too bad, I might just do that... |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:58:18 -0000, Mizter T wrote:
Actually, just had a thought - in a sense there will be a TfL service on Christmas day, that of the Cycle Hire scheme which I imagine will be operating. However as 'casual access' has not yet been implemented (that's planned for sometime in the new year I think), anyone wanting to use it would need to be a member and be in possession of a key. TfL are currently claiming that casual users access will be available before Christmas (see the notes at the bottom of this press release from Wednesday: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/17339.aspx ). The docking stations were unavailable on Sunday evening/night due to a software update which might be linked to getting them ready for casual users. |
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wrote: In article , (Roy Badami) wrote: They don't have Boxing Day as a holiday in Scotland, Roy. They had New Year's Day long before England did and have the next day off as well now. I don't think that's true. According to the DTI site, Boxing Day is a bank holiday in Scotland. But, of course, it's more complicated than that, with the Scottish bank holidays being a historical irrelevence, these days observed by noone, not even the banks. The actual public holidays are set by local councils (perhaps in consultation with the local chamber of commerce) and vary regionally. Nonetheless, I was under the impression that the five holidays that were pretty much universal across all of Scotland were the two days at Christmas, two days for Hogmanay and one day for the early May bank holiday -- corrections from Scots welcome. Taking Edinburgh as a concrete example, they get two days for Christmas (this year 27-28 December because of Christmas falling on a Saturday). http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/788...in_edinburgh/2 -roy |
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Fri, 12 Nov 2010, David Walters remarked: The docking stations were unavailable on Sunday evening/night due to a software update which might be linked to getting them ready for casual users. What were people returning bikes they hired earlier supposed to do during this outage? -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:39:57 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:10:43 on Fri, 12 Nov 2010, David Walters remarked: The docking stations were unavailable on Sunday evening/night due to a software update which might be linked to getting them ready for casual users. What were people returning bikes they hired earlier supposed to do during this outage? Sorry, my mistake. The docking stations were available but the terminals were unavailable which meant things like balance enquires were unavailable. It might not have been possible to hire a bike if your key is set to auto-renew although the details aren't 100% clear to me. The email sent said: During this time, the auto-renew service will not function via terminals or online. This means that if your membership is set up to auto-renew each time you hire a cycle, hiring a new one will not be possible. However, if you have already hired a cycle before the outage begins, you will still be able to return your cycle and this will be recorded. I think if you had an auto-renew set on your key but your chosen period had not expired you would be able to hire a bike. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote: In message , at 10:10:43 on Fri, 12 Nov 2010, David Walters remarked: The docking stations were unavailable on Sunday evening/night due to a software update which might be linked to getting them ready for casual users. What were people returning bikes they hired earlier supposed to do during this outage? I strongly expect what David means is that just the 'pay station' terminals were unavailable, so it wasn't a full outage - hence bikes could be returned to the docking points, and indeed I think bikes can be taken out of the docking points using a membership key even if the pay stations aren't available (?). In the beginning there certainly seemed to be a problem with the pay station terminals freezing or crashing (so some sort of software problem) - I recall on the first weekend finding some that seemed to have been in that frozen state all weekend. The significant thing that the pay stations do offer to those with membership keys is the ability to query what the status is of nearby docking stations (how empty/full), and get the free extra 15 minutes added on if the docking station one is at is full. |
Boxing Day Tube Strike Threat
On Nov 10, 12:43*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:31:39 on Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Paul remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11725128 What I don't quite understand is what are ASLEF complaining about if there is a long standing agreeement covering working arrangements on Boxing Day. Are they just pushing their luck? * * * * "The spokesman said: "It used to be almost guaranteed that if * * * * you worked one bank holiday, you would not work the next. But * * * * the increase in service levels has meant this is now no longer * * * * possible. * * * * "We are not opposed to additional services for customers, but we * * * * believe that there are times when staff need to be appropriately * * * * compensated for working at highly unsocial times - and that * * * * includes Boxing Day." But, of course, the 26th isn't a Bank Holiday this year. Or are they talking about the 28th, or was that the 27th (cont'd page 94). (I knew that there was a reason for worrying about the Bank Holiday arrangements this year!) -- Roland Perry I am rostered to work Christmas day NIGHTS this year, as there is no work for me I have to take a days leave. I am rostered to work Boxing day NIGHTS this year. As it is a Sunday I have a right to decline to work it, as it is a Sunday. However I am "expected" to work my Sundays, despite them not being part of my 37 hour week. The only time that I am not "expected" to work a Sunday is if it is part of a weeks leave. So this Christmas I will work Christmas Eve night. Annual Leave on Christmas Day. Work Boxing Day night and then nights on Monday 27th and 28th, with a rest day on the 29th. I will be paid NORMAL wages for all of this, NO ENHANCEMENTS what ever other than the Sunday rate on 26th, which is "paid at time". For the Bank Holiday on Monday and Tuesday 27th and 28th I will recieve NO Compensatory leave. The only good thing about all of the forgoing is that I think Christmas is one of the most over rated and pointless times of the year. I fully acceopt that some people will besmirch my comments on religous grounds for which I have some sympathy, but the adverts already on TV, the aisles in my local supermarket and the "I've started my shopping have you" simply feeds my "humbug" Anyway, next year I will be on exactly the same roster over Christams (a 4 week roster causes that) the only difference is that I will not have to take leave on Chritmas day, as it's a Sunday. Instead I will simply LOOSE a 123 hour Sunday payment, but I will gain a compensatory day for the 26th as it falls on a "real" Bank Holiday. It is my suspicion that some of the ASLEF issues are based on something similar to my story, the difference being that I am a manager so do it for the love of the company without question ! Richard |
Boxing Day Tube Strike Threat
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, at 08:12:31 on Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Fat richard remarked: I am rostered to work Christmas day NIGHTS this year, as there is no work for me I have to take a days leave. .... I will be paid NORMAL wages for all of this, NO ENHANCEMENTS what ever other than the Sunday rate on 26th, which is "paid at time". I don't understand this - you say Sundays are different, but then "paid at time". For the Bank Holiday on Monday and Tuesday 27th and 28th I will recieve NO Compensatory leave. While I'm also in the "no extra pay for working statutory holidays" camp (and also "no extra pay for Sundays"), I do feel you are hard done by with that lockout on Xmas night. They really ought to pay you. -- Roland Perry |
Boxing Day Tube Strike Threat
On Nov 12, 5:22*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message I don't understand this - you say Sundays are different, but then "paid at time". I work a 37 hour week covering Monday to Saturday all shifts (early late and nights) This requires 4 people to cover the shifts and one extra as a "relief". Over 8 weeks there are 8 hours left in the kitty of a training day. For these shifts I receive a fixed salary with no enhancements for unsocial hours. I am required to work 2 Sundays in the 4 week period, both 12 hours, one night and one day. These are paid at "time". As I said before I am required to work these unless they are part of a leave week, some people will work them for you - but it is your responsibilty to get them "covered" and of course the company don't lose out financially. It is as close to rostered overtime as you can get. If I am required to do any overtime (stay on 4 hours, work a rest day, attend a meeting on my day off) this is paid at time. I have spent 27 years doing shift work and I suspect about 24/25 of these have been on 24/7 rosters. Back in the 80s and 90s I worked to "the red book" (which still exists) and covers "BR" style grades which attracted much lower salaries and much higher enhancements, for example a Saturday night rest day worked attracted double time after midnight. But of course being a lower salary attracts a lower pension contribution. And going slightly further away from the original point...... The type of salary and roster I am on were pretty much invented by CONnex and whilst a lot of people struggled, indeed some still do to this day, to come to terms with it, I actually find it most agreeable. My pensionable pay is now 100% so on a much higher "clean" salary it is no bad thing and despite all of the recent horror stories, railway pensions are still regarded very highly. I found it very easy indeed to adapt to the "new way"and very rarely find myself thinking about what I would have been getting on rest day works or Sundays. An awful lot of the staff that were regraded into management grades were on the "red book" conditions and had some quite good redundancy terms so these were swept away and records in Croydon Courts will show that the summary dismissal of numerous regraded staff after they had signed contracts, and thus lost a hell of a lot of money, did not save CONnex the money they originally envisaged ! All of that said I know that some of what I have said may come over as being a grump, but actually I am genuinely VERY happy with my lot, and despite the foibles of Christmas I personally dont have a problem with the conditions at all. It is a fairly unique position to be in, as just about all non shift working managers won't get a penny extra for doing extra hours and most importantly I am lucky to have a job that I genuinely enjoy and I think I would struggle to adapt to a 9-5 life. Richard |
Boxing Day Tube Strike Threat
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:11:04PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank Holiday Mondays. A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent travelling and the time spent working. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away -- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing at http://www.arabnews.com/?article=38558 |
Boxing Day Tube Strike Threat
In message , at 12:29:37
on Tue, 16 Nov 2010, David Cantrell remarked: Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank Holiday Mondays. A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent travelling and the time spent working. I'm self employed, so I'll have to have a word with myself about that! -- Roland Perry |
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