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Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
I see that the escalators at Tottenham Court Road are under repair again. This is the annual maintenance session, timed to be carried out during the Christmas shopping period. One of the three main escalators has been out of action for several weeks already. Gordo. -- This is not my sig nature..... gordo AT loop zilla.org....... http://www.loopzilla.org/..... |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
In article , Gordon Joly
writes I see that the escalators at Tottenham Court Road are under repair again. This is the annual maintenance session, timed to be carried out during the Christmas shopping period. One of the three main escalators has been out of action for several weeks already. What happened the proposed massive restructuring promised for TCR Station? I thought it was supposed to start in 2001-2. -- congokid Eating out in London? Read my tips... http://congokid.com |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
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Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
congokid wrote in message ...
In article , Gordon Joly writes I see that the escalators at Tottenham Court Road are under repair again. This is the annual maintenance session, timed to be carried out during the Christmas shopping period. One of the three main escalators has been out of action for several weeks already. What happened the proposed massive restructuring promised for TCR Station? I thought it was supposed to start in 2001-2. the late signing of the PPP pushed everything back, and even though the LUL people at the TCR exhibtion at Congress house a couple of years back claimed the money had been ringfenced I wouldnt be surprised if the whole scheme was being re-evaluated. |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Boltar" wrote in message m... If other stations repairs are anything to go by expect it to be out of action for at least 6 months. After all , LU keeps reminding us via posters etc how these things are so complex it takes longer to repair them than it does NASA to ready a space shuttle for lauch and the repair time has nothing to do with them putting no more than a couple of bone idle halfwits on the job who never seem to be there whatever time of day you go past. Oooooh look, another expert on maintaining the underground!! |
Liverpool Stree escalators: was Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
Pleased to say that all escalator work at Liverpool Street underground is
now complete for the forseeable future! Yippee! Happy Xmas! |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Cast_Iron" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message m... If other stations repairs are anything to go by expect it to be out of action for at least 6 months. After all , LU keeps reminding us via posters etc how these things are so complex it takes longer to repair them than it does NASA to ready a space shuttle for lauch and the repair time has nothing to do with them putting no more than a couple of bone idle halfwits on the job who never seem to be there whatever time of day you go past. Oooooh look, another expert on maintaining the underground!! Given that I'm an engineer by trade whose worked on machinary thats a *teensy* bit complex than the glorified conveyor belts known as escalators I think I have half a clue about how complex they are to fix - ie not very. But in good old british tradition we keep getting spin about how they're so damn complex it takes months to fix and so bloody forth. Bull****. They're about as simple a bit of machinary as you can find, the REAL reason is LU and their sub contractors couldn't organise a proverbial ****-up with less than 6 months advanced notice. B2003 |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Given that I'm an engineer by trade whose worked on machinary thats a *teensy* bit complex than the glorified conveyor belts known as escalators I think I have half a clue about how complex they are to fix - ie not very. But in good old british tradition we keep getting spin about how they're so damn complex it takes months to fix and so bloody forth. Bull****. They're about as simple a bit of machinary as you can find, the REAL reason is LU and their sub contractors couldn't organise a proverbial ****-up with less than 6 months advanced notice. Oh that'd be fun, wouldn't it, having contactors working between a machine they're taking apart and one running! Grinding machines might just play havoc with the fire alarm systems, bringing in steps and metal panels would sure please the insurers too! |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Robin Mayes" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Given that I'm an engineer by trade whose worked on machinary thats a *teensy* bit complex than the glorified conveyor belts known as escalators I think I have half a clue about how complex they are to fix - ie not very. But in good old british tradition we keep getting spin about how they're so damn complex it takes months to fix and so bloody forth. Bull****. They're about as simple a bit of machinary as you can find, the REAL reason is LU and their sub contractors couldn't organise a proverbial ****-up with less than 6 months advanced notice. Oh that'd be fun, wouldn't it, having contactors working between a machine they're taking apart and one running! Grinding machines might just play havoc with the fire alarm systems, bringing in steps and metal panels would sure please the insurers too! Wtf are you talking about? Take apart escalator and shipping to factory - 1 week approx. Refurbish and test at factory, well lets be kind and say 3 weeks. Ship back to staton, rebuild and test - 2 weeks. Thats 6 weeks and I've been pretty generous with the time. What exactly do they do with the other 4.5 months out of the 6 it generally takes themn to fix these things?? B2003 |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
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Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Wtf are you talking about? My sentiments exactly! Take apart escalator and shipping to factory - 1 week approx. How exactly are you going to take apart an escalator, with another machine in operation for 20 hours a day just inches away from you? Don't forget there are fire alarm cables, pipes and sensors running all around the machinery which wouldn't be able to be isolated during the time the station is open. Where are you going to store all these parts your engineers are removing, there's hardly enough space in stations as it is! Refurbish and test at factory, well lets be kind and say 3 weeks. How exactly are you going to test a new escalator without it being in the shaft it's been designed for? Ship back to staton, rebuild and test - 2 weeks. See the first part. Thats 6 weeks and I've been pretty generous with the time. What exactly do they do with the other 4.5 months out of the 6 it generally takes themn to fix these things?? If you really think you can deliver as stated above, it would seem you're wasted doing the job you do and you'd be able to make a massive profit bidding for contracts for escalator refurbishment by being able to undercut bids from the likes of Kone and Otis! |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
Barry Salter wrote in message . ..
On 16 Dec 2003 07:43:04 -0800, (Boltar) wrote: Take apart escalator and shipping to factory - 1 week approx. Refurbish and test at factory, well lets be kind and say 3 weeks. Ship back to staton, rebuild and test - 2 weeks. Thats 6 weeks and I've been pretty generous with the time. What exactly do they do with the other 4.5 months out of the 6 it generally takes themn to fix these things?? Right...Now schedule that for the 4 or so hours a night that you can actually do the work (i.e. when the station is closed to passengers) and add in the fact that escalators are custom built for each site, nominally at a 30 degree angle though I believe there's one station on the Northern Line with an incline of 23 and a bit degrees. So what? Will they get vertigo if it goes over a certain inclination? And if they're limited to nights only why do they build these massive hordings around them and (very occasionally admittedly , don't want to stop their tea break) work during the day?? There's also the small matter of them needing to run for the best part of 20 hours a day, 364 days a year and carry around 13000 passengers an hour, unlike your average department store escalator. *yawn* Big ****ing deal, heard this BS 101 times before. You could say the same thing about the trains. But it doesn't take 6 months to fix one of them when they go wrong does it?! And they're probably 100 times more complex. Please stop spouting the party line , it gets very tedious. B2003 |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Robin Mayes" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message om... How exactly are you going to take apart an escalator, with another machine in operation for 20 hours a day just inches away from you? Don't forget there are fire alarm cables, pipes and sensors running all around the machinery which wouldn't be able to be isolated during the time the station is open. Where are you going to store all these parts your engineers are removing, there's hardly enough space in stations as it is! I gave them roughly a week to take it apart. I think thats long enough to remove a load of steps and other assorted pieces don't you? Refurbish and test at factory, well lets be kind and say 3 weeks. How exactly are you going to test a new escalator without it being in the shaft it's been designed for? Err , you test each individual bit. How do you think any large piece of machinary is tested? You think they build a special shaft for lifts and test run them in the factory before they install them in a skyscraper? If you really think you can deliver as stated above, it would seem you're wasted doing the job you do and you'd be able to make a massive profit bidding for contracts for escalator refurbishment by being able to undercut bids from the likes of Kone and Otis! Oh here we go , they standard issue "if you think you can do better why don't you try". Yeah , I'll just go get a grant for a few hundred million to set up my own factory. Meanwhile , back in the real world I would suggest that the reason they take so long to fix is that LU gives them all the time in the world to get it done , so consequently they don't bother to work hard. B2003 |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Oh here we go , they standard issue "if you think you can do better why don't you try". Yeah , I'll just go get a grant for a few hundred million to set up my own factory. Meanwhile , back in the real world I would suggest that the reason they take so long to fix is that LU gives them all the time in the world to get it done , so consequently they don't bother to work hard. Don't you think the likes of Otis or Kone would be turning round an escalator refurbishment in six weeks if it was possible? Consider the benifits - reduction in total wage cost per machine, more machines refurbished per annum = huge profits for the private company and and increased dividend for shareholders. Perhaps the management within those private companies are dullards... BTW, have you ever been in an escalator machine room, do you really realise how complicated and what a constrained place it is? |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Boltar" wrote in message om... *yawn* Big ****ing deal, heard this BS 101 times before. You could say the same thing about the trains. But it doesn't take 6 months to fix one of them when they go wrong does it?! And they're probably 100 times more complex. Please stop spouting the party line , it gets very tedious. Of course you couldn't compare the two! Trains don't get refurbished anywhere near the general public was wander around, there's far easier access and no fire alarms to contend with for starters. BTW, do you actually know the turn round time for a refurbished train? |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
In article , Barry Salter
writes nominally at a 30 degree angle though I believe there's one station on the Northern Line with an incline of 23 and a bit degrees. There are several escalators at 26 degrees 23 minutes (4 in 9 climb instead of 1 in 2). They are at Baker Street (2), Earl's Court (2), Embankment (4), Kilburn Park (2), Liverpool Street (3), Maida Vale (2), Oxford Circus (3), Paddington (2), and Warwick Avenue (2). Further details on my web site. -- Clive D.W. Feather, writing for himself | Home: Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Barry Salter" wrote in message ... On 16 Dec 2003 07:43:04 -0800, (Boltar) wrote: Take apart escalator and shipping to factory - 1 week approx. Refurbish and test at factory, well lets be kind and say 3 weeks. Ship back to staton, rebuild and test - 2 weeks. Thats 6 weeks and I've been pretty generous with the time. What exactly do they do with the other 4.5 months out of the 6 it generally takes themn to fix these things?? Right...Now schedule that for the 4 or so hours a night that you can actually do the work (i.e. when the station is closed to passengers) and add in the fact that escalators are custom built for each site, nominally at a 30 degree angle though I believe there's one station on the Northern Line with an incline of 23 and a bit degrees. There's also the small matter of them needing to run for the best part of 20 hours a day, 364 days a year and carry around 13000 passengers an hour, unlike your average department store escalator. I think it would be better if LU just closed a station completely for a month and did all the escalators there in one big lot rather than causing years of disruption. Peter Smyth |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Peter Smyth" wrote in message ... I think it would be better if LU just closed a station completely for a month and did all the escalators there in one big lot rather than causing years of disruption. At the smaller, less busy, stations, I'd agree. However, closures of stations such as Liverpool Street, Victoria, Euston and Bank would affect too many people and affect the stations adjacent too much. |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
There's also the small matter of them needing to run for the best part of 20 hours a day, 364 days a year and carry around 13000 passengers an hour, unlike your average department store escalator. HTH, Barry I think that's where we came in. The Tottenham Court Road system of three escalators does not come close to a 364 day average. And I sure that that they were also out of action in previous years (2001 or 2002 or both) in the run up to Christmas. Gordo -- This is not my sig nature..... gordo AT loop zilla.org....... http://www.loopzilla.org/..... |
Tottenham Court Road escalators, December 2003.
"Robin Mayes" wrote in message ...
BTW, have you ever been in an escalator machine room, do you really realise how complicated and what a constrained place it is? I was taken in to see the old 'wooden' escalators at Marylebone, anout twenty years ago, by an engineer. I suspect hat it's not as easy to get in today. They were very heavily engineered, I'd like to meet anybody who could do a major overhaul on one of those in six weeks! It used to be possible to see into the machine room at Kentish Town by going down the emergency stairs, and looking in through a window in the door, if the lights were on, I don't know if it still is. How on Earth do they get the machinery into there? Even longer ago I managed to get into the lift machine room at one of the Elephant and Castle stations, the Northern Line one I think, when the original Otis machines were still there. Great stuff, I like old electrical equipment. It's a pity that with all the security and health and safety these days it's much harder to get visits to interesting places. Those Otis lifts weren't really designed with health and safety in mind! |
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