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Basil Jet wrote:
http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Very spectacular! Taken from Centre Point, at the junction between Oxford Street/New Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road/Tottenham Court Road. |
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Basil Jet wrote on 20 November 2010
20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Yes! |
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On Nov 21, 4:42*am, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote: Basil Jet wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Yes! No. Don't understand the question. It does what I would expect in that if I want to see more to the right I click on the arrow to the right. But there is a button saying "Enter fullscreen" which does nothing. Maybe it depends on browser? |
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On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote:
Basil Jet wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Interestingly the arrow keys work the same way as in Google Street View, and the mouse kind of works the same as the arrow keys, so it's the mouse operation in Google Street View which is the odd one out, because it moves the world whereas the others all move you. |
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On Nov 21, 2:38*pm, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote: Basil Jet wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Interestingly the arrow keys work the same way as in Google Street View, and the mouse kind of works the same as the arrow keys, so it's the mouse operation in Google Street View which is the odd one out, because it moves the world whereas the others all move you. Yes, the arrows and mouse in this follow were I am looking, rather than moving what I am looking at. This seems intuitive to me, given that the world generally stays where it is while I change where I am looking. It's also consistent with scrolling down a document etc. If I scroll down a document I don't expect the page to move down and let me look at the top. |
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MIG wrote on 21 November 2010 15:26:17 ...
On Nov 21, 2:38 pm, Basil wrote: On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote: Basil wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Interestingly the arrow keys work the same way as in Google Street View, and the mouse kind of works the same as the arrow keys, so it's the mouse operation in Google Street View which is the odd one out, because it moves the world whereas the others all move you. Yes, the arrows and mouse in this follow were I am looking, rather than moving what I am looking at. This seems intuitive to me, given that the world generally stays where it is while I change where I am looking. If you're looking out of a window at the world and you want to see what's out of view to the right, you physically move left in order to be able to see further to the right, so I don't think that's a very persuasive argument. With this photo (or Street View or a large PDF document), you are fixed in relation to the window, and you want to move the image so that a different part of it is positioned in the window. The click-and-drag motion in Street View and Adobe Reader does just that, but the same action for this photo moves it in the opposite direction. It's also consistent with scrolling down a document etc. If I scroll down a document I don't expect the page to move down and let me look at the top. Depends how you scroll - scroll bars or mouse wheel or, for a PDF document, mouse drag. In the case of a mouse wheel, you are notionally turning a wheel the bottom of which moves the document in the opposite direction to your finger. That's how wheels work - seems intuitive to me, but it's a different mechanism to dragging. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On Nov 21, 5:30*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
MIG wrote on 21 November 2010 15:26:17 ... On Nov 21, 2:38 pm, Basil *wrote: On 2010\11\21 01:44, Richard J. wrote: Basil *wrote on 20 November 2010 20:30:42 ... http://www.360cities.net/london-photo-en.html Thanks, but I can't stand large photos that make you drag it in the "wrong" direction, i.e. the opposite way to Google Street View or PDF files viewed with Adobe Reader. Do others find this totally counter-intuitive? Interestingly the arrow keys work the same way as in Google Street View, and the mouse kind of works the same as the arrow keys, so it's the mouse operation in Google Street View which is the odd one out, because it moves the world whereas the others all move you. Yes, the arrows and mouse in this follow were I am looking, rather than moving what I am looking at. *This seems intuitive to me, given that the world generally stays where it is while I change where I am looking. If you're looking out of a window at the world and you want to see what's out of view to the right, you physically move left in order to be able to see further to the right, No I don't; I turn my head to the right in nearly every situation. Only having tried that instinctive action will I determine whether I need to adjust my position to see round an obstacle. But I would never turn my head to the left to see right. |
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