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On Dec 1, 10:03*am, wrote:

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 01:33:49 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
It's the worst snowfall I've seen for a very long time.

Yet in north and west london theres virtually bugger all. Strange how
these snowstorms can be so localised yet so severe.

The lay of the land, where high ground is, where weather is coming in
from, the heat island effect etc must all have an effect - but
(Greater) London's a big place and different parts of it can certainly
experience rather different weather, no doubt. Plus of course south of
the river the suburban rail services are a thoroughly enmeshed part of
the wider rail network, which is third rail powered and thus rather
more susceptible to problems when the snow and ice comes.

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On 1 Dec, 12:12, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Dec 1, 9:23*am, George wrote:





On 30 Nov, 18:58, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 04:01:36 -0800 (PST), George

wrote:
A lot of bus routes have been disrupted by the snow and whilst
Metrobus have provided a lot of info through their excellent website
there is nothing at all on the TfL website which I think is an utter
disgrace. An e mail will be winging its way to them from me, I might
get a reply by next summer!

But why let the truth get in the way of a rant George?

I looked at the TfL website buses real time list earlier today and there
were plenty of entries relating to the poor weather conditions in South
East London and Croydon. *Example routes I picked were 61, 477, 466,
404, 434, 450, 96, S1, S3, S4, R5, R8 and 358. They all had entries
explained where there was general disruption or in some cases more
specific info for the route * e.g. in Orpington the bus station area by
the railway station is inaccessible so alternative stop info was listed.

You can see every disruption on the network if you select the "show all
disruptions" link rather than entering route numbers individually.

It may not be like the Facebook and Twitter feeds that some operators
run but that would be an enormous task in London. *To say nothing was
provided is just not correct and I would expect the reply from TfL to
completely contradict what you state is the case.
--
Paul C

Oh dear Paul, it looks like you are the one trying not to let facts
get in the way of starting another squabble, and that sort of nonsense
belongs on the LT Group, not to be confused with the new (argument
free) LT Group!

I am doing no such thing. The facts are completely clear.

Yes I had heard *you* had started an alternative group under another
of your assumed names. I don't see how you can claim it is argument
free given it has been running for "five minutes". You will get debate
and disagreement or argument at some point so it's best not to gloat
unless, of course, you are moderating all posts so that there is no
disagreement whatsoever.

Where exactly do I find all this then? I looked on live travel news
but it wasn't there, and many others were also complaining about the
lack of info, perhaps you could let us all into the secret of where
TfL have hidden it as most people don't have time to search the entire
site? *Of course go to the Metrobus site and you can't miss it, a
photo of buses in the snow sort of gives it away, perhaps TfL will
cotton on one day?

You go to Live Travel News, the default page is for LUL and DLR and
Overground but there is a Tab with "Buses" on it. Click that and you
can select by route number or else there is another link for "all
disruptions".

I have not seen people say they cannot find the info - several people
have posted about their personal experience of the service and some of
those have said that they found the relevant part of the TfL website.

Just because you cannot navigate your way through a simple part of the
TfL website in no way removes the fact that the information is
available on the site. Your accusation was that there was *no*
information - I have simply stated that you are incorrect.

It's a winter wasteland here in the Beckenham area this morning,
abandoned vehicles (including buses) everywhere

Everywhere? *I doubt that somehow. *There may be some vehicles left on
some roads but they won't be *everywhere*.

--
Paul C
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Have you never heard the phrase 'when in a hole stop digging' Paul?
Very apt for this weather. If you'd checked your facts before jumping
to conclusions you would know that it is Paul Morant who started the
new group, not me. He was banned from Mr Rivetts group and that is why
me and several others terminated our membership of said group, sorry
to spoil your latest rant with a few facts!

Do you ever listen to LBC Radio? Yesterday many callers were
complaining about TfL's lack of info, either they've got it all wrong
or you have, ho hum!!

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On 1 Dec, 23:22, Mizter T wrote:
On Nov 30, 12:48*pm, Paul Terry wrote:

George writes

A lot of bus routes have been disrupted by the snow and whilst
Metrobus have provided a lot of info through their excellent website
there is nothing at all on the TfL website which I think is an utter
disgrace.

Have a lot of TfL routes been disrupted by snow?

There's only been very light snow in much of London today, and such as
there was melted very quickly.

I appreciated things are probably different on the outer fringes

It was heavier (though not what I'd regard as properly heavy) in
rather more than just the 'outer fringes', unless you were to regard
say Crystal Palace as being on the edge - and it certainly didn't melt
everywhere. All depends where one is talking about.

Yes Crystal Palace was bad, I used to live just off Anerley Hill in my
childhood years and recall buses doing a three point turn at the foot
of the hill because they couldn't get up it. Certainly the 358 was
curtailed at Penge yesterday.

In fairness I think most operators did as well as could be reasonably
expected.

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On 2010\12\02 09:35, George wrote:

Yes Crystal Palace was bad, I used to live just off Anerley Hill in my
childhood years and recall buses doing a three point turn at the foot
of the hill because they couldn't get up it. Certainly the 358 was
curtailed at Penge yesterday.

In fairness I think most operators did as well as could be reasonably
expected.

How many hills are there in London that give buses trouble in cold
weather? Why don't we relocate facilities that produce heat to the road
surface of these hills, and then rebuild the road on the roof of the
facilities? I mean power stations, transformers, kitchens etc that
produce heat as a by-product rather than deliberately producing heat for
the sake of it. You could insulate most of the roof and just leave four
metal strips for the tyres.

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but why the disruption should have been
so bad
this yesterday, when the weather was less severe than we have seen in
the last two years isn't yet clear.

I guess it could be something to do with it being unusually cold this time
around. We've had a lot worse weather in the last couple of years but not
accompanied by the freezing / sub-freezing temperatures. The snow seems a
little different this time around too. It seems very fine, dry and powdery
rather than quite big and icy. I couldn't even get a decent snowman out of
it.

G.

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In article ,
Graham J wrote:
but why the disruption should have been
The snow seems a
little different this time around too. It seems very fine, dry and powdery
rather than quite big and icy. I couldn't even get a decent snowman out of
it.

Isn't that precisely the kind of snow that was the infamous "wrong
kind of snow"? ;-)

-roy

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On Dec 2, 6:33*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:17:09 -0800 (PST), George
wrote:
Have you never heard the phrase 'when in a hole stop digging' Paul?

Yes - usually in connection with you George.

Very apt for this weather. If you'd checked your facts before jumping
to conclusions you would know that it is Paul Morant who started the
new group, not me. He was banned from Mr Rivetts group and that is why
me and several others terminated our membership of said group, sorry
to spoil your latest rant with a few facts!

Not what I understand to be the case - especially in relation to your
departure from the group.

Do you ever listen to LBC Radio? Yesterday many callers were
complaining about TfL's lack of info, either they've got it all wrong
or you have, ho hum!!

Oh look you've changed the subject. What a surprise! *Have you sent your
complaint in to TfL and have you admitted that you were unable to work
their website to find the information therein? *

What people say on the radio is of absolutely no relevance to your
complaint that started this thread. *I trust you will share both the
full content of your E Mail to TfL and also the reply that they send
you. I trust you have also advised them of your failure to find a simple
tab on what is a main page of the website.

I was out and about here and there today (Thursday) and was quite
impressed with what I saw, both in terms of buses running - given the
weather some seemingly unlikely routes were still in operation (albeit
with a few diversions) - and also in terms of roads having been
gritted - I expect the TLRN [1] roads to be so treated (and indeed
they were and are), but I got the impression that at least some
Boroughs were making the effort to ensure that other roads (even some
perhaps a little off the well beaten track) which are on bus routes
got gritted too.

Also good to see the ELL remained in operation, albeit limited to the
'core' route north of New Cross/ NX Gate (dunno whether they managed
to run much of a service south of NX Gate today - though I see
Southern were managing to run a half-hourly London Bridge to East
Croydon stopper, later in the day at least).

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[1] Transport for London Road Network - key roads which are the
responsibility of TfL - easily identifiable as they're all Red Routes.

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,
Mizter T writes

I expect the TLRN [1] roads to be so treated (and indeed
they were and are), but I got the impression that at least some
Boroughs were making the effort to ensure that other roads (even some
perhaps a little off the well beaten track) which are on bus routes
got gritted too.

Presumably this was as a result of the policy to prioritise clearing
access to bus garages and bus routes (amongst other things) that was
drawn-up by TfL and the London boroughs after snow problems last year.
If so, it's good to see it working.
--
Paul Terry

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On 2 Dec, 18:33, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:17:09 -0800 (PST), George

wrote:
Have you never heard the phrase 'when in a hole stop digging' Paul?

Yes - usually in connection with you George.

Very apt for this weather. If you'd checked your facts before jumping
to conclusions you would know that it is Paul Morant who started the
new group, not me. He was banned from Mr Rivetts group and that is why
me and several others terminated our membership of said group, sorry
to spoil your latest rant with a few facts!

Not what I understand to be the case - especially in relation to your
departure from the group.

Do you ever listen to LBC Radio? Yesterday many callers were
complaining about TfL's lack of info, either they've got it all wrong
or you have, ho hum!!

Oh look you've changed the subject. What a surprise! *Have you sent your
complaint in to TfL and have you admitted that you were unable to work
their website to find the information therein? *

What people say on the radio is of absolutely no relevance to your
complaint that started this thread. *I trust you will share both the
full content of your E Mail to TfL and also the reply that they send
you. I trust you have also advised them of your failure to find a simple
tab on what is a main page of the website.
--
Paul C

To set the record straight once and for all Paul, Paul Morant (ie the
member for Coulsdon) was banned from the group for no apparent reason.
When I and several others asked Mr Rivett for an explanation he was
unable or unwilling to provide one so myself and others terminated our
membership of the group and joined Paul M's new group. If you've heard
anything different then you've been wrongly informed.

I haven't changed any subject this thread is about the weather and
TfL's failure to provide any proper information, thankfully Metrobus
were a bit more on the ball. All you've done is throw wild allegations
about like you've done elsewhere before and quite frankly it gets a
bit tiresome after a while.

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On 3 Dec, 11:30, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 02:35:28 -0800 (PST), George

wrote:
To set the record straight once and for all Paul, Paul Morant (ie the
member for Coulsdon) was banned from the group for no apparent reason.
When I and several others asked Mr Rivett for an explanation he was
unable or unwilling to provide one so myself and others terminated our
membership of the group and joined Paul M's new group. If you've heard
anything different then you've been wrongly informed.

There quite clearly was a reason for the ban and I had that from the
horse's mouth so I am not wrongly informed.

I haven't changed any subject this thread is about the weather and
TfL's failure to provide any proper information, thankfully Metrobus
were a bit more on the ball. All you've done is throw wild allegations
about like you've done elsewhere before and quite frankly it gets a
bit tiresome after a while.

No George. The post you made was about the *non existence* of
information about the impact of the weather on TfL's bus services on the
TfL website. I have clearly explained to you where to find the
information. You have not acknowledged in any subsequent post whether
you have subsequently found the information and whether you think it is
accurate or not. You said you have E Mailed TfL to complain about
something that you admitted in this thread you could not find. Your
inability to find it does not mean that it was not on the website. You
have now changed the complaint above to say "failure to provide any
proper information" which is not the same as providing *no* information.

I have not thrown wild accusations anywhere. *Your inability or
unwillingness to recognise what people say to you in good faith is the
thing that is tiresome.
--
Paul C

There may well have been a reason for the ban but Mr Rivett wasn't
willing to explain it to me, Robert or several others that enquired.
What exactly did you hear from the horses mouth? And who is 'the
horse' in this particular case? I'm getting a tad confused.

Clearly nobody else on here is interested in this 'debate' so I see no
point in prolonging it, I'm sure it'll be of interest to one or two
members of another group, well I know one will be highly excited about
it, LOL!!