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[wake (Jim) wrote:

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says...

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,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access
from the street to the platforms which made it easy to get
bicycles on and off trains and replace it with steps up and
escalators or steps down!

Surely there still is step-free access from platforms to street
level [Eldon Street]?

Via a very roundabout pedestrian-only route through a shopping arcade,
AIUI. Especially if approaching from Bank, for example.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2010-12-17 00:10:43 +0000, said:

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access from the
street to the platforms which made it easy to get bicycles on and off
trains and replace it with steps up and escalators or steps down!

I can. The old station had many flights of stairs up to the walkway
that ran the entire width of the station. Now there are far more
conflicting pedestrian routes, making it very difficult to get around
the concourse when it's busy.

On 2010-12-17 00:10:43 +0000, said:

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access from the
street to the platforms which made it easy to get bicycles on and off
trains and replace it with steps up and escalators or steps down!

There's also a lift, isn't there?

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(Ken Wheatley) wrote:

On 2010-12-17 00:10:43 +0000, said:

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access from
the street to the platforms which made it easy to get bicycles on and
off trains and replace it with steps up and escalators or steps down!

There's also a lift, isn't there?

Possibly. Not very practical with a bike most of the time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Dec 18, 12:53*pm, Ken Wheatley wrote:
On 2010-12-17 00:10:43 +0000, said:

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. *Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access from the
street to the platforms which made it easy to get bicycles on and off
trains and replace it with steps up and escalators or steps down!

I can. The old station had many flights of stairs up to the walkway
that ran the entire width of the station. Now there are far more
conflicting pedestrian routes, making it very difficult to get around
the concourse when it's busy.

My memory is of two separate concourses, divided by a single extra-
long platform which meant it was a long walk from one to the other
without using the footbridge. And Cambridge trains sometimes departed
from the western concourse and sometimes (especially on Sundays) from
the eastern one. I find it much simpler now, though the area outside
the Bishopsgate entrance can get very congested at busy times, with
lots of people waiting for buses and several retail kiosks in the
way.

PaulO

On Dec 18, 9:55*am, wrote:
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[wake (Jim) wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool
Street Station. *Would that our architects had taken the same care
with our other termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access
from the street to the platforms which made it easy to get
bicycles on and off trains and replace it with steps up and
escalators or steps down!

Surely there still is step-free access from platforms to street
level [Eldon Street]?

Via a very roundabout pedestrian-only route through a shopping arcade,
AIUI. Especially if approaching from Bank, for example.

It's a bit further than the old taxi road if you're approaching Old
Broad Street, but I don't find it too bad. And going through the
shopping arcade brings you out right next to the West Anglia gateline.

There's another level route via the taxi rank (and cycle parking)
between platforms 10 and 11. Though that *is* roundabout if you're
coming from the south.

PaulO

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, at
11:40:34 on Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Paul Oter remarked:
The old station had many flights of stairs up to the walkway
that ran the entire width of the station. Now there are far more
conflicting pedestrian routes, making it very difficult to get around
the concourse when it's busy.

My memory is of two separate concourses, divided by a single extra-
long platform which meant it was a long walk from one to the other
without using the footbridge.

Agreed, but surely the platform levels were significantly below street
level, so how was there the stepless access that Colin alleges?

--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Paul Oter wrote:

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says...

In article
,
(1506) wrote:

I cannot fault the reconstruction of Liverpool Street Station.
*Would that our architects had taken the same care with our other
termini.

It was a stroke of genius to remove the step-free direct access from
the street to the platforms which made it easy to get bicycles on and
off trains and replace it with steps up and escalators or steps down!

There's another level route via the taxi rank (and cycle parking)
between platforms 10 and 11. Though that *is* roundabout if you're
coming from the south.

Yes, but if you've got a bike, the extra time is peanuts - you just have
to ride a bit further up Bishopsgate.

I've used Liverpool Street with a bike regularly for years - i grew up in
Essex, lived in Clapton for a year, and use it coming from the general
direction of Cambridge now and then too. The route out past the steel
obelisk is rarely a good idea, because it involves pushing through the
crowds on the platform, but the route up the taxi rank is quiet and easy.
Plus, if it's not rush hour (which it isn't, if you've got a bike), you
can just take your bike up the escalator at the Bishopsgate end.

tom

--
**** = the new period -- jsolo_uno

In article
,
(Paul Oter) wrote:

Surely there still is step-free access from platforms to street
level [Eldon Street]?

Via a very roundabout pedestrian-only route through a shopping arcade,
AIUI. Especially if approaching from Bank, for example.

It's a bit further than the old taxi road if you're approaching Old
Broad Street, but I don't find it too bad. And going through the
shopping arcade brings you out right next to the West Anglia
gateline.

I just use the escalator and hold onto my bike but it's hardly progress.

There's another level route via the taxi rank (and cycle parking)
between platforms 10 and 11. Though that *is* roundabout if you're
coming from the south.

To where the old approach from Old Broad Street was step free.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message
,
at 11:40:34 on Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Paul Oter
remarked:
The old station had many flights of stairs up to the walkway
that ran the entire width of the station. Now there are far more
conflicting pedestrian routes, making it very difficult to get around
the concourse when it's busy.

My memory is of two separate concourses, divided by a single extra-
long platform which meant it was a long walk from one to the other
without using the footbridge.

Agreed, but surely the platform levels were significantly below
street level, so how was there the stepless access that Colin
alleges?

The taxi road down to platform level. It was hardly steep.

--
Colin Rosenstiel