On Jan 11, 8:12*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
23:38:36 on Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

The reason for graduate unemployment in engineering is that employers
insist on people having several years' previous employment experience
in one narrow speciality, these are the same employers who whinge
about a 'shortage' of engineering graduates. The situation is similair
in computing.

Are there still job adverts demanding things like five years of
experience with ACME-Software 2010?

Probably. I remember adverts for people with 5 years experience
programming microprocessors, when the things hadn't been for sale
that long.

I think it doesn't so much happen any more, not because recruiters
have got any less stupid, but on the grounds of age discrimination.

In message
MIG
was claimed to have wrote:

On Jan 11, 8:12*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
23:38:36 on Mon, 10 Jan 2011, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

The reason for graduate unemployment in engineering is that employers
insist on people having several years' previous employment experience
in one narrow speciality, these are the same employers who whinge
about a 'shortage' of engineering graduates. The situation is similair
in computing.

Are there still job adverts demanding things like five years of
experience with ACME-Software 2010?

Probably. I remember adverts for people with 5 years experience
programming microprocessors, when the things hadn't been for sale
that long.

I think it doesn't so much happen any more, not because recruiters
have got any less stupid, but on the grounds of age discrimination.

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?
That's news to me (although looking at your email address maybe that's
something specific to UK or EU)

In message , at 00:34:24 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, DevilsPGD
remarked:

Age discrimination prevents one from requiring experience in a field?

No, it potentially prevents some advertisements from asking for it.

eg "Ten years post-gradudate experience in $foo" will discriminate
against most people under 31/32 years old.

That's news to me (although looking at your email address maybe that's
something specific to UK or EU)

Looking at the headers, two out of three newsgroups are .uk
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:48:14 -0800 (PST)
MIG wrote:
For some reason I didn't find it all that funny watching a gang of
uniformed thugs beating up children who looked like my nieces and
nephews, and were doing nothing wrong apart from things like being
unable to pass through solid barriers that the thugs were trying to
force them through.

Perhaps if said "children" hadn't been smashing windows and graffitiing then
they wouldn't have got thumped. And what the hell were children doing on
a march anyway? Talk about grade A irresponsible ****wit parents.

I didn't find it funny when I was grabbed by the collar and thrown
aside by one of the thugs when I asked where on earth they wanted us
to go, given that I was trying to leave the area and was being forced
back into the area that they supposedly wanted to disperse people
from, given the talk of water cannons etc.

Aww, boo hoo. You're choice to turn up mate. Suck it up.

I have stared into the cold, dead eyes of those thugs, and they are
not funny. Not funny at all. They don't care about anything except
for keeping their line straight. Anything in their path is fair
game. It could be your children, your elderly mother, anyone. They
just don't care.

Sub Steig Larson prose aside, do you actually have anything to add apart
for your poor-little-us bleatings? A lot of us saw the ****ing mess left
the next day by you and your fellow arseholes so please spare us the
peaceful innocents being attacked by nasty police BS. It makes me want to
heave.

And Theresa May is the latest Home Secretary to unleash them on the
public. The public includes you and anyone you care about, if you
care about anyone.

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then trash the
place.

B2003

On Jan 11, 4:10*am, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:48:14 -0800 (PST)

MIG wrote:
For some reason I didn't find it all that funny watching a gang of
uniformed thugs beating up children who looked like my nieces and
nephews, and were doing nothing wrong apart from things like being
unable to pass through solid barriers that the thugs were trying to
force them through.

Perhaps if said "children" hadn't been smashing windows and graffitiing then
they wouldn't have got thumped. And what the hell were children doing on
a march anyway? Talk about grade A irresponsible ****wit parents.

I didn't find it funny when I was grabbed by the collar and thrown
aside by one of the thugs when I asked where on earth they wanted us
to go, given that I was trying to leave the area and was being forced
back into the area that they supposedly wanted to disperse people
from, given the talk of water cannons etc.

Aww, boo hoo. You're choice to turn up mate. Suck it up.

I have stared into the cold, dead eyes of those thugs, and they are
not funny. *Not funny at all. *They don't care about anything except
for keeping their line straight. *Anything in their path is fair
game. *It could be your children, your elderly mother, anyone. *They
just don't care.

Sub Steig Larson prose aside, do you actually have anything to add apart
for your poor-little-us bleatings? A lot of us saw the ****ing mess left
the next day by you and your fellow arseholes so please spare us the
peaceful innocents being attacked by nasty police BS. It makes me want to
heave.

And Theresa May is the latest Home Secretary to unleash them on the
public. *The public includes you and anyone you care about, if you
care about anyone.

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then trash the
place.

Precisely Boltar. After the first demonstration, when these punks
darn near killed a policeman with a fire hydrant, anyone with a brain
knew what to expect next time. If these products of "democratic
socialism" really think they are entitled to something, they can mail,
e-mail, fax, and/or visit their MPs and make their case. Costing the
taxpayers more in police time, clean up, and repair bills, is not
going to endear them to their benefactors, who have to work for a
living.

MIG went there knowing what to expect.

1506 gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then trash
the place.

Precisely Boltar. After the first demonstration, when these punks darn
near killed a policeman with a fire hydrant, anyone with a brain knew
what to expect next time.

Extinguisher, rather than hydrant. And he's been sentenced today - 2yr8mo
for "violent disorder".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

"Adrian" wrote in message

1506 gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then
trash the place.

Precisely Boltar. After the first demonstration, when these punks
darn near killed a policeman with a fire hydrant, anyone with a
brain knew what to expect next time.

Extinguisher, rather than hydrant. And he's been sentenced today -
2yr8mo for "violent disorder".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

Presumably he won't now have to worry about a university eductaion, fees
or no fees.

On 11 Jan 2011 13:18:46 GMT
Adrian wrote:
1506 gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then trash
the place.

Precisely Boltar. After the first demonstration, when these punks darn
near killed a policeman with a fire hydrant, anyone with a brain knew
what to expect next time.

Extinguisher, rather than hydrant. And he's been sentenced today - 2yr8mo
for "violent disorder".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

If he'd thrown it ever so slightly harder he'd probably be doing 10 - 15
for manslaughter right now since apparently it just missed a plods head by
inches.

"The judge praised Wollard's mother saying he was taking into account her
"extraordinary and courageous conduct" in persuading him to give himself up."

Wtf?? What exactly was stopping her picking up the phone and shopping him
herself as soon as she found out?

B2003

In message , at 14:02:16 on
Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Recliner remarked:
Extinguisher, rather than hydrant. And he's been sentenced today -
2yr8mo for "violent disorder".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

Presumably he won't now have to worry about a university eductaion, fees
or no fees.

They do Open University in Jail, don't they?

And how's the chap who climbed the Cenotaph doing - was he chucked out,
or fined, or both; or something else?
--
Roland Perry

On Jan 11, 6:11*am, wrote:
On 11 Jan 2011 13:18:46 GMT

Adrian wrote:
1506 gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Most of the public don't go on a supposedly "peaceful" march then trash
the place.

Precisely Boltar. *After the first demonstration, when these punks darn
near killed a policeman with a fire hydrant, anyone with a brain knew
what to expect next time.

Extinguisher, rather than hydrant. And he's been sentenced today - 2yr8mo
for "violent disorder".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

If he'd thrown it ever so slightly harder he'd probably be doing 10 - 15
for manslaughter right now since apparently it just missed a plods head by
inches.

"The judge praised Wollard's mother saying he was taking into account her
"extraordinary and courageous conduct" in persuading him to give himself up."

Wtf?? What exactly was stopping her picking up the phone and shopping him
herself as soon as she found out?

In truth, that would be a hard thing for any mother to do.