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In message , Dave Newt
writes No, it wouldn't but you could keep some Pre Pay on your season ticket Oyster for extensions and the other Oyster for other needs. But then all you have done is make *three* different types of credit rather than two. (1) Pre-Pay for excess fares, (2) Pre-pay for pay-as-you-go and (3) Seasons. Yes, but on two cards with different uses. This would seem to me to be yet another complication rather than simplification in the fare structure... I think whoever said earlier in the thread that it will all work more smoothly if the entire ticketing structure is reformed was spot on... That may be... especially in 2004 when there are different prices for weekends and bank holidays and a host of other *make life harder for the SAMFs* goodies.. However, I was replying to Paul's suggestion that two types of Oyster card might be a good idea. If you did keep another Oyster solely with Pre Pay on it then you could give it to someone else if necessary. Just out of interest, I'd like to know if anyone reading this group has or is planning to get a purely Pre Pay oyster. From what I've gathered (and I realise it's early days) there hasn't been that much demand for them so far. Is lure of 2003 single fare prices greater than the disadvantage of paying a £3.00 deposit and locking an amount of cash away on an Oyster card? -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:58:09 +0000, Kat
wrote: Just out of interest, I'd like to know if anyone reading this group has or is planning to get a purely Pre Pay oyster. From what I've gathered (and I realise it's early days) there hasn't been that much demand for them so far. Is lure of 2003 single fare prices greater than the disadvantage of paying a £3.00 deposit and locking an amount of cash away on an Oyster card? I bought a pure Pre Pay last Monday. For me, the biggest lure was the convenience of never again having to fiddle about buying a ticket from a machine (long queues, not having change, machines not working, late nights with unsavourys lurking near by, etc etc). The 2003 fares were also an incentive to get one, especially eventually being able to get the 'bus saver' discount, without the little books! I kind of viewed the £3 deposit as more of a one off charge. I think the fact that it is refundable is probably more important to tourists than Londoners. I have used the equivalent Octopus system in Hong Kong though, and fell in love with it there, so I was relatively easy to convince to convert! |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:58:09 +0000, Kat
wrote: Just out of interest, I'd like to know if anyone reading this group has or is planning to get a purely Pre Pay oyster. From what I've gathered (and I realise it's early days) there hasn't been that much demand for them so far. Is lure of 2003 single fare prices greater than the disadvantage of paying a £3.00 deposit and locking an amount of cash away on an Oyster card? I have bought a Pre Pay. I work 2 days a week and make a variety of journeys on some of the other days, so a season isn't an option for me. I know I'll still have to ask myself every time I go out whether a day travelcard is the best option, but I have to do this anyway. If it is, then I know I'll still have to buy a paper ticket until Oyster can handle this, which is when I'll really start to feel the benefits. The cheaper fares weren't really the main incentive, but in my view the £3 deposit is a small price to pay for the big incentive of no longer having to queue for a single or return ticket and having to keep a stash of coins for the ticket machines. I just hope it's all going to work OK when January comes as the level of information issued specifically about pre-pay so far seems a bit inadequate. Very little information came with the ticket or in the new Oyster pre-pay leaflet that was being handed out last week. If I hadn't read this group I don't think I'd fully appreciate the importance of signing in and out at the beginning and end of each journey, even if the gates are open, to avoid being charged for all zones. I wonder how many people realise this as I haven't seen it stressed anywhere else. |
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![]() "Jill" wrote in message ... I just hope it's all going to work OK when January comes as the level of information issued specifically about pre-pay so far seems a bit inadequate. Very little information came with the ticket or in the new Oyster pre-pay leaflet that was being handed out last week. If I hadn't read this group I don't think I'd fully appreciate the importance of signing in and out at the beginning and end of each journey, even if the gates are open, to avoid being charged for all zones. I wonder how many people realise this as I haven't seen it stressed anywhere else. I feel some "Oyster related stress" sickness coming on! |
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![]() "Dave Newt" wrote in message ... This would seem to me to be yet another complication rather than simplification in the fare structure... Indeed I think whoever said earlier in the thread that it will all work more smoothly if the entire ticketing structure is reformed was spot on... As I understand it, it was supposed to. You don't expect a holistic approach in this job do you? |
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In message , Jill
writes [...] I just hope it's all going to work OK when January comes as the level of information issued specifically about pre-pay so far seems a bit inadequate. Very little information came with the ticket or in the new Oyster pre-pay leaflet that was being handed out last week. I'll find out if more training aimed at the user will be forthcoming before January 4th. If I hadn't read this group I don't think I'd fully appreciate the importance of signing in and out at the beginning and end of each journey, even if the gates are open, to avoid being charged for all zones. I wonder how many people realise this as I haven't seen it stressed anywhere else. Exactly. I can't stress enough how important it will be to use the yellow reader at the start and finish of each journey or the Pre Pay amount will disappear in large chunks with unresolved journeys. We'll be able to resolve *single* unresolved journeys on the TOMs locally and Revenue Inspectors will be able to do it with their HHCs but more than one will require a phone call to sort out. -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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In message , Robin Mayes
writes "Jill" wrote in message .. . I just hope it's all going to work OK when January comes as the level of information issued specifically about pre-pay so far seems a bit inadequate. Very little information came with the ticket or in the new Oyster pre-pay leaflet that was being handed out last week. If I hadn't read this group I don't think I'd fully appreciate the importance of signing in and out at the beginning and end of each journey, even if the gates are open, to avoid being charged for all zones. I wonder how many people realise this as I haven't seen it stressed anywhere else. I feel some "Oyster related stress" sickness coming on! Not if there's an R in the month.... -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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In message , Kat
writes If you have an Oyster season ticket with no Pre Pay on it, 57 will show on the POD and you'll just be stopped at the gates and directed to the Assistance Window to pay the difference if you go out of zone. I may have caused some confusion here. I'm assuming that a season ticket which has never had any Pre Pay on it will do this. An Oyster which has inadequate Pre Pay or none because it has been used up will open the gates but not allow you to use your season ticket again (even if it's perfectly valid) until the amount owing for the extension has been cleared. I can see this causing major problems. -- Kat "bears, said the taxi driver, is sixpence extra, sticky bears is ninepence" |
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Q wrote:
Prepay oyster can be got over the counter from *any* LUL ticket office. For prepay you *do not* need a photo card, *nor* do you need to register it. Only from the tele sales team, or the website. If you are still having problems reply to me via the group, and ill contact you back privately and can give you contact details for the helpdesk, a name and internal number. I'd appreciate some help with this please. I today made a big effort to buy the pre-pay at Liverpool Street (where there is a promo team today), but the ticket staff kept insisting I needed a photocard (and I had to register, which is fine by me, though I'd prefer not to bother). The tfl information centre (at Liverpool Street) wasn't even sure what the oystercard was!!! Nadeem (rainbowmedia on hotmail is the best email for me - my reply -to email is valid as well, but unfortunately still deluged with the Swen virus daily) |
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![]() Kat wrote [...] An Oyster which has inadequate Pre Pay or none because it has been used up will open the gates but not allow you to use your season ticket again (even if it's perfectly valid) until the amount owing for the extension has been cleared. I can see this causing major problems. AND you are assuming your exit station is staffed so you can pay if you wish. The major problems would be if it is unstaffed and you get 'refused' the next morning. And what happens if the next use is again at an unstaffed station ? -- Mike D |
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