In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 05:04:58PM -0800, Mizter T wrote:

However I find it hard to imagine that
different TOCs pay different amounts into the 'Travelcard pot' - i.e.
I reckon an outboundary Day Travelcard from Brighton, Cambridge,
Reading, Southend and Winchester all result in an identical payment
into the 'Travelcard pot' for the Travelcard element of the ticket.

I'd not be at all surprised to find they were different. Southern, for
example, will sell a HUGE number of them, whereas Scotrail will sell
very few (they will sell some though - IIRC you can buy a sleeper ticket
plus travelcard, but by default you get a sleeper + a single zone 1/2
tube ticket). I would therefore expect them to contribute different
proportions of the revenue because their costs per ticket in doing so
are radically different.

Why mention Scotrail? The examples were all near to London for starters.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:56:51PM -0600, wrote:
In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 05:04:58PM -0800, Mizter T wrote:
However I find it hard to imagine that
different TOCs pay different amounts into the 'Travelcard pot' - i.e.
I reckon an outboundary Day Travelcard from Brighton, Cambridge,
Reading, Southend and Winchester all result in an identical payment
into the 'Travelcard pot' for the Travelcard element of the ticket.
I'd not be at all surprised to find they were different. Southern, for
example, will sell a HUGE number of them, whereas Scotrail will sell
very few (they will sell some though - IIRC you can buy a sleeper ticket
plus travelcard, but by default you get a sleeper + a single zone 1/2
tube ticket). I would therefore expect them to contribute different
proportions of the revenue because their costs per ticket in doing so
are radically different.
Why mention Scotrail? The examples were all near to London for starters.

Scotrail run services into London and (IIRC) sell Travelcards.
Therefore they are a useful edge-case to consider when thinking about
how much goes into the "Travelcard pot".

However, if you want a definitive answer, I suggest you ask
ATOC/TfL/whoever.


--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

All praise the Sun God
For He is a Fun God
Ra Ra Ra!

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:26:35AM -0000, tim.... wrote:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a paper
travelcard for less?

Convenience.

You might as well ask why people pay to have their groceries delivered
when it would be cheaper to go to the supermarket on foot or in your own
car.

--
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

All children should be aptitude-tested at an early age and,
if their main or only aptitude is for marketing, drowned.

In message , at 09:38:24 on Wed, 2 Mar
2011, Roland Perry remarked:
And I have to contact TfL in order to transfer the Oyster Credit to a
new card (or to otherwise rescue the credit if Barclaycard cancel the
card because I've been naughty, or indeed withdraw the Oyster-ness for
no reason whatsoever).

And I see that Tfl have a (very long) webpage about this:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/15541.aspx

Here's what they say about "PAYG only" OnePulse cards:

1. Simply continue travelling until your credit is used up. Your
original Barclaycard OnePulse card will still work as an Oyster
card after the credit card expiry date. Be careful to keep your
original card separate from the new one when you travel to avoid
the wrong card being charged.
or
2. Transfer the balance to your new Barclaycard OnePulse card online.
or
3. Request a refund at a Tube station. If you can't reach a station
easily, you can send your Barclaycard OnePulse card in to us at:
Oyster helpline, 1st Floor, Albany House, 55 Broadway, London
SW1H 0BD.

#2 works fine apart from two minor issues.

When it asks for a memorable date it needs dd/mm/yyyy and *not* dd/mm/yy
that it asks for. I'm especially sensitive about this bit of tomfoolery,
because it caused me to lock out a different one of my CC's last week.

And when you get to the end, having requested a transfer to the new
card, it drops the bombshell that you have to collect it within 7 days
from a specified station!!! Yes, that old banana skin again. And guess
what, I'm not travelling until about a week after that.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:42:07 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
When it asks for a memorable date it needs dd/mm/yyyy and *not* dd/mm/yy
that it asks for. I'm especially sensitive about this bit of tomfoolery,
because it caused me to lock out a different one of my CC's last week.

And when you get to the end, having requested a transfer to the new
card, it drops the bombshell that you have to collect it within 7 days
from a specified station!!! Yes, that old banana skin again. And guess
what, I'm not travelling until about a week after that.

What the advantage of the onepulse card compared to a normal oyster that its
worth all this hassle? Is that 2mm of space saved in your wallet really that
important?

B2003

On Mar 10, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:42:07 +0000

Roland Perry wrote:
When it asks for a memorable date it needs dd/mm/yyyy and *not* dd/mm/yy
that it asks for. I'm especially sensitive about this bit of tomfoolery,
because it caused me to lock out a different one of my CC's last week.

And when you get to the end, having requested a transfer to the new
card, it drops the bombshell that you have to collect it within 7 days
from a specified station!!! Yes, that old banana skin again. And guess
what, I'm not travelling until about a week after that.

What the advantage of the onepulse card compared to a normal oyster that its
worth all this hassle? Is that 2mm of space saved in your wallet really that
important?

B2003

Not to mention the extra hassle if the card gets lost, stolen or
damaged by being put in the washing machine by mistake. With separate
cards, if your credit card gets stolen, you don't have to worry about
getting a replacement Oyster Card. With a One Pulse card, would you
not have three times the hassle?

By the way, Oyster Cards do work after being put in the washing
machine, as I found out once.

In message , at 11:13:03 on Thu, 10 Mar
2011, d remarked:
What the advantage of the onepulse card compared to a normal oyster that its
worth all this hassle? Is that 2mm of space saved in your wallet really that
important?

I go the card originally because I'm one of those famous "early
adopters" who is prepared to trial new ideas.

It has turned out that this wasn't a huge success because:

a) they've failed to implement single log-in for the CC and Oyster
elements.

b) while it was *also* the first implementations of 'paywave' (and thus
a 3-in-one card not just 2-in-one) I have still never seen anywhere I
could use that aspect.

As for the 2mm, my wallet has slots for eight cards containing exactly
eight cards[1] (so I can see at a glance if they are all present) and
it's saving one slot that's more important than saving the thickness.

[1] Even a moderate traveller might have:

Credit card for domestic expenses [##]
Credit card for business expenses
Company ID/door key
ATM/Debit Card [##]
Bus/Oyster card [##]
EHIC or private medical card or prescription card [#]
Airline Frequent Flyer card [##]
Hotel "FF" card [##]
Library card
Driving Licence
Supermarket loyalty card [##]
'Other' - Blockbuster etc loyalty card [##]

oops, that's twelve already.

[#] I have all three of these.
[##] And two or more of each of these.
--
Roland Perry

"David Walters" wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:20:26 -0000, Mizter T wrote:
In the early days of Oyster, there was I think some proto-plan for
combined
(London Borough) library cards and Oyster cards - I recall seeing a few
bits
and bobs about the idea, I think I might have even asked at a library
about
it, and I possibly even have a PDF or two concerning it buried on a hard
disk somewhere, but AFAIK none were ever issued - at least I've never
come
across any mention of one.

TfL issue "A COMPLETE staff guide to ticketing on London's Buses" which
has examples of cards from Croydon, Lewisham and Greenwich. I don't know
if any were actually issued though.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...20May%2009.pdf
from http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques..._fares_manuals

Thanks - yes, they look familiar, I saw them (or at least one of them) in a
document I found on a council website some time ago - I've a vague
recollection it was a trial of a multi-purpose card that all London Boroughs
might have then gone on to adopt (all tied in to wider notions about
'e-strategies' for local government I think). I definitely did ask about it
in a library in one of those boroughs (the main library in Croydon, or
Lewisham - I can't recall), but got some vague answer about how they weren't
issuing them at that time.

Apart from that, it's an interesting document.

In message , at 15:40:33 on
Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Mizter T remarked:
TfL issue "A COMPLETE staff guide to ticketing on London's Buses" which
has examples of cards from Croydon, Lewisham and Greenwich. I don't know
if any were actually issued though.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...20May%2009.pdf
from http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques..._fares_manuals

Thanks - yes, they look familiar, I saw them (or at least one of them)
in a document I found on a council website some time ago - I've a vague
recollection it was a trial of a multi-purpose card that all London
Boroughs might have then gone on to adopt (all tied in to wider notions
about 'e-strategies' for local government I think). I definitely did
ask about it in a library in one of those boroughs (the main library in
Croydon, or Lewisham - I can't recall), but got some vague answer about
how they weren't issuing them at that time.

There's nothing relevant under "Oyster" on either of the Lewisham or
Croydon council websites. So doesn't seem to be current.
--
Roland Perry

"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:26:35AM -0000, tim.... wrote:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a
paper
travelcard for less?

Convenience.

You might as well ask why people pay to have their groceries delivered
when it would be cheaper to go to the supermarket on foot or in your own
car.

just how inconvenient is it to push a few buttons on a ticket machine?

tim