reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...
Cast_Iron wrote:


That was Thatcher's theory, it didn't work.


Oh, really? In 1979, Britain was a gloomy, strike ridden, third rate
economy. Thatcher dug it out of a hole to become the first nation it is
today.

I seem to remember getting my arse truly reamed by Thatchers policies
in the late 80's.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

From what I've heard of people employing foreign workers on piece rates,
they often work faster and with less breaks than local workers.

Sadly they do.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

Please give an example of a type of farming that is not seasonal.

Dairy.

Next...


--
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In article , CastIron_881
@hotmail.com says...
Silk wrote:
JNugent wrote:


Are there enough unemplyed workers in the locality to
cover this seasonal work?

Probably, yes. But they are too lazy.

Your evidence for this is?

Ring the dole office.

Mate of mine runs an employment agency. He is desperate for HGV2
drivers. A conversation with the local jobcentre went along the lines
of "well yes we have quite number of HGV2 drivers on our books but non
of them want to work".

My solution? Stop their benefits.



--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

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In article ,
says...
Mark Scott wrote:

Asylum seekers?


It's ironic, isn't it. It's okay for "our" people to sit on their
parasitic arses, but not okay for willing foreigners to do the work no
one else is willing to.


I agree with you on this and it is bloody disgusting.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

Of course! They moan about expensive housing, but you can be sure they would
object to any new housing too.

And new housing costs how much? Oh yeah, the same as the others.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

The state should stop interfering and let people allocate their own
resources. People who have second homes are less burden in these areas as
they use the local doctors, schools, libraries far less than the locals.

Shame the locals have to move to the next county because they can't
afford to buy in the town/village of their birth.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

The state should stop interfering and let people allocate their own
resources. People who have second homes are less burden in these areas as
they use the local doctors, schools, libraries far less than the locals.

Oh yes. Less of a burden whilst also at the same time managing to put
far less money into the local economy because they're hardly there.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

That's wanting a job and not getting one, not *not being allowed* to work.

Bridlington. It is now nothing more than a glorified retirement home.
Companies are leaving in droves. The largest employer shut down and the
remanants are being run by the Official Receivers. The jobcentre has
maybe 100 jobs in it. When the ORs finally close Hibernia, there'll be
450 out of work.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

Aggreed. There are plenty of jobs about.

Come to Bridlington. You'll have your views changed very quickly.

--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

I write software but can't afford to buy a new house in the town I live. Do
I have a reasonable gripe against someone that moved out of London or should
I just move where I can afford a property?

Who are 'agricultural workers' to get special treatment?

Please don't tell me you're that stupid.

--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

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In article ,
says...

What, you mean the poor dears might have to travel to work?

So already on low wages they then have to add another £50+ a week to
their outgoings in order to get to work?

You're unbelievalbe. Good to tell you're a Southerner.

--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

I can't afford to buy a house in the town I was born in so I had to look
elsewhere. Why should people in villages or certain jobs get special
treatment? They will have to do the same as the rest of us. Buy cheap, maybe
in another town, work hard and eventually have enogh money to be able to buy
exactly where you want.

Good to telly you're a townie. Please tell me how a farmhand manages to
do this without having so little left after travelling that it's
pointless working? Who then does the farmhands job?



--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

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In article ,
says...
Conor wrote:

snip

static whilst the house prices have shot up 100%. Even a couple on
decent wages for the area can no longer afford to buy a house on a 3
times multiplier of annual earnings.

So buy a flat then!

Thisd is not the South East. Flats are very rare and then only
available for rent for mainly the DSS.

--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...

Get on the council list, live there for a few years and get a discount.
While your doing that, go back to school and improve yourself.

If you can't get a council house then tough - join the rest of us. I waited
two years for mine. I lived there for 17 years and got a nice discount on
the property.

During the wait for a council property, I lived with my mother-in-law. Life
is tough sometimes - get on with it and stop whinging.

This is not the South East. Current waiting times for East Yorkshire
are hitting a decade. It is so bad that the council banned applications
from anyone not from East Yorkshire some several years ago.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

reducing congestion
 

In article ,
says...



Was thinking of OPE, The Quadrant and Gispyville mate.


--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

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"Conor" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Of course! They moan about expensive housing, but you can be sure they
would
object to any new housing too.

And new housing costs how much? Oh yeah, the same as the others.

It does if you just build one or two new houses. However if we did not have
such tight planning regulation and VAT disincentives for renovating old
buildings, there would have been a much greater consistent supply over the
last few years which would almost certainly have dampened the house price
inflation.

--
Conor

"Cogito Eggo Sum" - "I think, therefore I am a waffle"

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:55:39 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:


I can fully understand my posts, unlike the emoting idiot
who is drawing inferences where none clearly exist.



No emotion in my posts, talking about or to yourself again?


Oh really ? Just to pick one at random.


http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain




greg

--
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I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:06:45 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:


Areas within an hours commute of central london by car include

Nice attempt at diversion,

You'll find no mention of commuting to central london by car in my post.

Yes, that's nice, but it is irrelevant when talking about being an
hours commute from central london.

Oh really ? It takes 32 minutes to travel the 30 miles from my local
station to kings cross.


greg



--
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I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:58:33 +0000 (UTC), "Cast_Iron"
wrote:

As with all things it depends on the start and end points. In this instance
Charing Cross was cited as the reference point from which a one hour commute
by car will take the individual a maximum of ten miles, on a good day.


Which is all well and good, but I suggest reading my posting again and try
to find where I mentioned anything about cars.


greg

--
Once you try my burger baby,you'll grow a new thyroid gland.
I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:28:45 GMT, Tony Bryer wrote:

In article , Greg
Hennessy wrote:
Try the nationalised planning system courtesy of the town and
country planning act 1947.

A spiteful piece of legislation whose only purpose was to
outlaw the mechanism by which 1.5+ million privately built,
financed and *affordable* houses in the 20s and 30s. Couldn't
have that doncha know.

But, as you imply, the Conservatives, far from scrapping it,
have embraced and extended it for their own ends.

You'll get no argument from me on that score.
Politicians dont like surrendering centralised power.


You'll hear
them harp on about the need to accept the discipline of market
forces when you are shutting down a mine or steelworks, but not
when someone wants to replace a suburban bungalow or two with a
block of flats.

I want a return to the pre war situation where local authorities and local
authorities alone decided that is was in the best interests of their rate
payers to grant permission to build high quality affordable housing at
densities of 8-12/acre for the equivalent of 20-25k in todays money.


greg



--
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I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:29:14 -0000, "Purditer"
wrote:




Well you don't want the poor to move in and lower the tone of the area.


Its not 'the poor', its one doesnt ones unspoilt and unpaid for chocolate
box views spoiled by horrid oiks.




greg


--
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I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:23:49 -0000, "Mikael Armstrong"
wrote:


It does if you just build one or two new houses. However if we did not have
such tight planning regulation and VAT disincentives for renovating old
buildings,

Exactly, Belgium has a higher population density than the allegedly
overcrowded SE, however one can buy a site within commuting distance of
brussels and have planning consent sorted in around 12 weeks I am reliably
informed.

Total cost of building a large detach house from scratch including site
purchase, about 120K.


greg

--
Once you try my burger baby,you'll grow a new thyroid gland.
I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

reducing congestion
 

wrote:

JNugent wrote:

wrote:


It was Maggie and co that forced an end to tied
housing.

Sheer, biased, blinkered, knee-jerk, nonsense.

[ ... ]

So it wasn't a Thatcher government the introduced the
"Right to Buy" legislation then?

No.
As you would know (if you were not simply motivated by
unthinking knee-jerk socialism - if you'll forgive the
tautology), the RTB:

(a) was introduced under the Edward Heath government of
1970-1974

Whether you choose to believe it or not some people in this world are
not driven by ideology or dogma but are cpable of establishing the
facts for themselves and making up their own minds.

You can't just "make up your own mind [sic]" to fabricate history. The RTB
council houses (for tenatnts of councils) was established in the early 1970s
under the Heath government. That's a fact. Stamping your foot won't make it
untrue.

Wrong (again)
"The statutory Right To Buy was introduced on the 3rd October 1980 in
England, Wales and Scotland."
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib...9/rp99-036.pdf

Don't believe everything you believe in Labour government propaganda. Even
the paper you have cited makes it clear that this was a *statutory* scheme
(my emphasis). There are other sorts of scheme.

The RTB was introduced under Edward Heath, but with a (major) flaw -
councils didn't *have* to comply (they could adopt a policy of not selling).
Of course, this was still better than the previous situation, where a
council couldn't sell even if they wanted to. In effect, it was mainly
Conservative councils that allowed their tenants to buy under the Heath
legislation. Changes in council control could mean a change in sales policy
(either way) - very unsatisfactory for tenants wishing to buy. That flaw was
corrected under Thatcher, but the RTB was first established under Heath (and
believe me, the Labour Party squawked enough about it at the time).

and (b) only applied to council houses - and
certainly not to tied cottages on farms.

Your evidence is from?

Re-read your own citation - you will see (if you read it) that it applies
only to council properties (there has never been a right to force a private
landlord to sell - leaseholds of certain blocks of flats excepted). Even
housing association tenants find that the RTB (rather unfairly, IMHO)
doesn't apply to them.

reducing congestion
 

reducing congestion
 

reducing congestion
 

Conor wrote:


Really? I suppose the railways are better than they used to be?
Especially in respect to track maintenance.

What's that got to do with Thatcher?

reducing congestion
 

Conor wrote:


I seem to remember getting my arse truly reamed by Thatchers policies
in the late 80's.

Perhaps you deserved it.

reducing congestion
 

Oliver Keating wrote:


but the working class have
remained pretty much static, they haven't shared in the growth at all.

That's probably because they're lazy whingebags.

reducing congestion
 

"Silk" wrote in message
...
Oliver Keating wrote:


but the working class have
remained pretty much static, they haven't shared in the growth at all.

That's probably because they're lazy whingebags.

The worst ones are the working class who imagine their new money makes them
middle class.

reducing congestion
 

Conor wrote:


Dairy.

Except the bit about making hay for the cattle to eat in the winter,
that is.

reducing congestion
 

Conor wrote:


My solution? Stop their benefits.

But, you keep telling us there's no work. Make your mind up.

reducing congestion
 

Purditer wrote:


The worst ones are the working class who imagine their new money makes them
middle class.

Not as bad as the career dole scroungers who think they are working class.

reducing congestion
 

"Silk" wrote in message
...
Purditer wrote:


The worst ones are the working class who imagine their new money makes
them
middle class.

Not as bad as the career dole scroungers who think they are working class.

and no one is as bad as Bob Crow.

reducing congestion
 

Purditer wrote:


and no one is as bad as Bob Crow.

Who?

reducing congestion
 

Cast_Iron wrote:


Ah at last, the standard "**** you Jack, I'm OK" attitude.


It's **** or be ****ed, unfortunately. That's why we are supposed to
have governments and leaders to guide us.

reducing congestion
 

"Silk" wrote in message
...
Conor wrote:

Dairy.

Except the bit about making hay for the cattle to eat in the winter,
that is.

If the cattle were having grass and hay rather than
feed/concentrates, which season is for hay making?

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"Silk" wrote in message
...
Purditer wrote:


and no one is as bad as Bob Crow.

Who?

General Secretary of the RMT

reducing congestion
 

JNugent wrote:
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

wrote:


It was Maggie and co that forced an end to tied
housing.

Sheer, biased, blinkered, knee-jerk, nonsense.

[ ... ]

So it wasn't a Thatcher government the introduced the
"Right to Buy" legislation then?

No.
As you would know (if you were not simply motivated by
unthinking knee-jerk socialism - if you'll forgive the
tautology), the RTB:

(a) was introduced under the Edward Heath government of
1970-1974

Whether you choose to believe it or not some people in
this world are
not driven by ideology or dogma but are cpable of
establishing the
facts for themselves and making up their own minds.

You can't just "make up your own mind [sic]" to fabricate
history. The RTB council houses (for tenatnts of councils)
was established in the early 1970s under the Heath
government. That's a fact. Stamping your foot won't make it
untrue.

Wrong (again)
"The statutory Right To Buy was introduced on the 3rd
October 1980 in England, Wales and Scotland."
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib...9/rp99-036.pdf

Don't believe everything you believe in Labour government
propaganda. Even the paper you have cited makes it clear
that this was a *statutory* scheme (my emphasis). There are
other sorts of scheme.

The RTB was introduced under Edward Heath, but with a
(major) flaw - councils didn't *have* to comply (they could
adopt a policy of not selling). Of course, this was still
better than the previous situation, where a council
couldn't sell even if they wanted to. In effect, it was
mainly Conservative councils that allowed their tenants to
buy under the Heath legislation. Changes in council control
could mean a change in sales policy (either way) - very
unsatisfactory for tenants wishing to buy. That flaw was
corrected under Thatcher, but the RTB was first established
under Heath (and believe me, the Labour Party squawked
enough about it at the time).

So there was no "right to buy", merely that the council could sell if they
so chose.


and (b) only applied to council houses - and
certainly not to tied cottages on farms.

Your evidence is from?

Re-read your own citation - you will see (if you read it)
that it applies only to council properties (there has never
been a right to force a private landlord to sell -
leaseholds of certain blocks of flats excepted). Even
housing association tenants find that the RTB (rather
unfairly, IMHO) doesn't apply to them.

Why should people in Council or other housing have the right to buy and
preclude someone else who needs a low rent place to live from have the
advantage that the buyer has had? Why not create a scheme in which long term
council tenants can get assistance to buy a house on the open market?