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Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings
Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. |
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... Also the metro runs 1 hour later on Friday and Saturday nights, finishing at 2am. How can they do this when London can't?. They must have to do engineering work and maintenance just like London does. Livingstone proposed it around 2005? With a later start to compensate on Sat and Sun to keep maintainance time the same . IIRC the immediate objections then came from the unions. Johnson carried the proposal forward, but the plan was still impossible to implement - by then the line upgrade plans as well as the unions were being blamed for the lack of change. Paul S |
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On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote:
Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:10:42 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Sat and Sun to keep maintainance time the same . IIRC the immediate objections then came from the unions. And I think owners of shops etc, who on a Saturday at least might have had to travel *to* work on a night bus. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), Paul
wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Well, it's been French since 1997. Does it look like the logo on http://www.lonutd.co.uk ? They need to "relooker" the title of the site I think. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. I always thought that odd, but then the geography, history, coverage of the metro and travelling patterns are quite different. I'm glad to hear that the logos have gone up already, I'm still waiting to see one here. I think the RATP logo is a future classic of graphic design. I hope it lasts as long as TfL's roundel, now making a return on the buses, the hand that feeds should never have been hidden away IMO. I wonder if the two can co-exist? Richard. |
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On 08/03/2011 20:16, Richard wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Well, it's been French since 1997. Does it look like the logo on http://www.lonutd.co.uk ? They need to "relooker" the title of the site I think. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. I always thought that odd, but then the geography, history, coverage of the metro and travelling patterns are quite different. I'm glad to hear that the logos have gone up already, I'm still waiting to see one here. I think the RATP logo is a future classic of graphic design. I hope it lasts as long as TfL's roundel, now making a return on the buses, the hand that feeds should never have been hidden away IMO. I wonder if the two can co-exist? Richard. I notice that some busses have the Nederlandse Spoorwegen insignia on them. Is DB around anywhere? |
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On Mar 8, 7:58*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). retard is delay. |
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On Mar 9, 1:08*am, Mizter T wrote: On Mar 8, 7:58*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). retard is delay. I see I seem to have suffered a SOH failure...! |
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, at 17:08:05 on Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Mizter T remarked: Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). retard is delay. deranged is "out of order" (sometimes seen on lifts from platform to street). -- Roland Perry |
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On Mar 8, 8:45*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0800 (PST), Paul wrote: Saw a London United bus on route 10 parked at the terminus at Kings Cross this afternoon. Underneath the "London United " logo was the logo for the RATP (Regie Autonome Des Transports Parisiens) which runs the buses, metro, trams and RER in Paris. The change of ownership only took place late last week. First report I've heard of the RATP logo appearing on a bus. This was news to me, at it remains to be seen what difference French ownership might make. Very little in the short term I would expect. Even medium to long term I doubt much will happen with London United. RATP might try to buy out Epsom Buses as they'd be a logical fit with London United but other than that I would expect it to be "business as usual". What is more interesting is that RATP have bought the Bath Bus Company which runs sightseeing services in Bath. In former times it did compete for tendered services and the head of the operation used to work for First Group in the South West! *Whether RATP see it as a springboard for taking on tendered work again or competing head to head with First remains to be seen. RATP also own Yellow Buses in Bournemouth - an operation transformed under Transdev ownership. Worth noting that in Paris, two thirds of the buses stop running at 8:30pm, and only about half run on Sundays. To be fair the Paris bus network is vastly more comprehensive, frequent and extensive than it used to be. *RATP and STIF realised that the network could make a far bigger contribution and have funded expansion for several years. I think they took part of their cue from London's experience under the early years of Ken. I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...=reseaux&nompd.... No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. *Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. -- Paul C I think their website must be out of date then, If you look at http://www.ratp.fr/plan-interactif/cartebus.php, you can select "en journee", "en soiree" or "dimanche et fetes". By switching from one to the other, you can see which routes run in the day, but do not run in the evenings or on Sundays. If you hover the mouse pointer over "en soiree", it says "Afficher la carte Bus Paris circulant apres 20:30." Taking one example, route 20 between the Gare De Lyon and the Gare St Lazare does not appear on the "en soiree" map. And yet the timetable shows it running up to 1am seven days a week. You live and learn. |
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lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote: *From:* Arthur Figgis *Date:* Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:58:15 +0000 On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK Out of curiosity, I often check the RATP equivalent of the Live Update page: http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/trafic.php Like LU, they seem to have spells when there's problems, although LU seem to have had a lot more recently with the Jubilee line signal system failures. As with the Underground, they had their spell of "accident grave de voyageur"s after the new year Loosely translated causes for delays a incident technique Technical problems accident grave de voyageur Person under a train le trafic est interrompu entre ..... There is no service between .... Les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ et des suppressions ou modifications... Trains are running about XXXX minutes late, with cancellations or changes to destinations Ces incidents sont à présent terminés mais les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ. These incidents have ended, but the trains are running about XXXX minutes late Les trains circulent avec des retards importants The trains are running with large delays Incident terminé à XXXX Incident at XXXX has ended Fin d'incident, reprise du trafic End of incident, trains now running Retour au trafic normal estimé vers XXXX Return to normal running estimated at XXXX En consèquence, les trains ne desservent pas les gares XXXX As a consequence, the trains are not going to / stopping at stations XXXX Le trafic est normal sur les autres lignes de XXXX Other lines on the XXX are running normally En répercussion du déclenchement d'un signal d'alarme en gare XXXX Because an alarm has been operated at XXXX station Un train en panne / En répercussion à une panne de matériel Faulty train incident de signalisation / panne de signalisation Signal problems En répercussion de divers incidents Because of various incidents En raison d'un incident voyageur Because of a passenger incident / accident En raison de la chute d'un voyageur entre deux voitures à XXXX Because of a passenger falling between two cars at XXXX En raison d'un colis suspect à XXXX Because of a suspect package at XXXX En raison d'un rail cassé à XXXX Because of a broken rail at XXXX En raison de la présence de voyageurs sur les voies à XXXX Because of people on the track at XXXX En répercussion des conditions climatiques Because of weather conditions En répercussion des conditions climatiques dégradées Because of worsening weather conditions En raison des chutes de neige, l'ensemble du réseau bus est paralysé Because of snow, there are no buses running Le Funiculaire est interrompu The funinulaire (to Sacre Coeur) isn't running and yesterday's delay on line 9 speaks for itself! Animal sur la voie Roger |
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On Mar 9, 12:27*pm, wrote:
In article , (Arthur Figgis) wrote: *From:* Arthur Figgis *Date:* Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:58:15 +0000 On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris).. -- Arthur Figgis * * * * * * * * Surrey, UK Out of curiosity, I often check the RATP equivalent of the Live Update page:http://www.ratp.fr/informer/trafic/trafic.php Like LU, they seem to have spells when there's problems, although LU seem to have had a lot more recently with the Jubilee line signal system failures. As with the Underground, they had their spell of "accident grave de voyageur"s after the new year Loosely translated causes for delays a incident technique Technical problems accident grave de voyageur Person under a train le trafic est interrompu entre ..... There is no service between .... Les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ et des suppressions ou modifications... Trains are running about XXXX minutes late, with cancellations or changes to destinations Ces incidents sont pr sent termin s mais les trains circulent avec des retards de XXXX minutes environ. These incidents have ended, but the trains are running about XXXX minutes late Les trains circulent avec des retards importants The trains are running with large delays Incident termin XXXX Incident at XXXX has ended Fin d'incident, reprise du trafic End of incident, trains now running Retour au trafic normal estim vers XXXX Return to normal running estimated at XXXX En cons quence, les trains ne desservent pas les gares XXXX As a consequence, the trains are not going to / stopping at stations XXXX Le trafic est normal sur les autres lignes de XXXX Other lines on the XXX are running normally En r percussion du d clenchement d'un signal d'alarme en gare XXXX Because an alarm has been operated at XXXX station Un train en panne */ *En r percussion une panne de mat riel Faulty train incident de signalisation */ *panne de signalisation Signal problems En r percussion de divers incidents Because of various incidents En raison d'un incident voyageur Because of a passenger incident / accident En raison de la chute d'un voyageur entre deux voitures XXXX Because of a passenger falling between two cars at XXXX En raison d'un colis suspect XXXX Because of a suspect package at XXXX En raison d'un rail cass XXXX Because of a broken rail at XXXX En raison de la pr sence de voyageurs sur les voies XXXX Because of people on the track at XXXX En r percussion des conditions climatiques Because of weather conditions En r percussion des conditions climatiques d grad es Because of worsening weather conditions En raison des chutes de neige, l'ensemble du r seau bus est paralys Because of snow, there are no buses running Le Funiculaire est interrompu The funinulaire (to Sacre Coeur) isn't running and yesterday's delay on line 9 speaks for itself! Animal sur la voie Roger- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Of course, if you live in Paris (or anywhere else in France for that matter) you will come to understand what "..Suite a un preavis de greve..." means. |
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On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said:
On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Steve Sangwine |
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On Mar 10, 8:11*pm, Stephen Sangwine wrote: On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Mr Figgis knows this very well... |
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Mizter T wrote: On Mar 10, 8:11*pm, Stephen Sangwine wrote: On 2011-03-08 19:58:15 +0000, Arthur Figgis said: On 08/03/2011 18:51, Paul wrote: Purely coinicidentally, I was in Paris recently. The metro there generally has a reputation for being more reliable the the London Underground. France's external reputation for transport doesn't generally stand up to reality. Other useful French phrases I've come across are "retard" (=departure) and "service autocar" (=train not going to/from Paris). Un autocar is a coach or bus. As someone else said, retard means delay or lateness as in RETARD 5MN = 5 minute delay. Mr Figgis knows this very well... I got it, although not been to Paris for far too long ... Nick -- Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 29th March 2010) "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Mizter T wrote:
RATP London United will continue providing bus services under (quite tightly specified) contract to TfL, just as Abellio - owned by Nederlandse Spoorwegen (the Dutch railway company, wholly state owned) - and Arriva - owned by Deutsche Bahn (again wholly state owned) - also do. Of course, we mustn't forget our own Network Rail's many highly profitable forays into applying their considerable professional expertise overseas. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! tom -- Argumentative and pedantic, oh, yes. Although it's properly called "correct" -- Huge |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...s_paris&fm=gif No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. tom -- There are only three ways of creating wealth. You dig it up, grow it, or convert it to add value, anything else is merely moving it about. -- Sir John Rose |
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On Mar 12, 8:01*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Mizter T wrote: RATP London United will continue providing bus services under (quite tightly specified) contract to TfL, just as Abellio - owned by Nederlandse Spoorwegen (the Dutch railway company, wholly state owned) - and Arriva - owned by Deutsche Bahn (again wholly state owned) - also do. Of course, we mustn't forget our own Network Rail's many highly profitable forays into applying their considerable professional expertise overseas. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! Missing the gag here. NR's job is to own & maintain the GB rail infrastructure, not run transport services, so it's not surprising it doesn't operate buses in France. Many UK-based train companies have been successful (or at least, profitable) at running public transport overseas - Stagecoach, First and NEG all do, and Arriva did well enough that Deutsche Bahn paid two billion euros for them and put Arriva management in charge of all its international operations. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On 12/03/2011 00:48, john b wrote:
Many UK-based train companies have been successful (or at least, profitable) at running public transport overseas - Stagecoach, First and NEG all do, and Arriva did well enough that Deutsche Bahn paid two billion euros for them and put Arriva management in charge of all its international operations. Though they is the issue that foreign state-owned[1] companies can buy up "British" businesses, but we have no equivalent doing the opposite. BRB Residuary isn't going to be bidding for any German operating contracts, and while French companies can run our passenger trains, British firms - state or private - can't run theirs. If the Arriva deal goes wrong, will the Bundestag allow DB to go the way of GNER and NXEC? [1] Germans often claim DB is "privatised" because it is structured as a company rather than as a ministry of railways. By that definition, many British nationalised industries were privately owned, not nationalised. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: I would suggest you refresh your understanding of the Paris bus network via this link. http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...s_paris&fm=gif No bus stops at 20.30 M-F - the time is now 22.00 and only two routes seem to stop. Many routes are daily and very few adopt the "barre" system of part route operation on Sundays. What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. Strictly there should be an acute accent on the last "e". All barré means is that a bus does not cover the full daytime route. Barré usually applies evenings and Sundays and the route number displayed on the bus has a diagonal line (or slash) across it to show that barré operates. Ah, je comprends, merci. Essentially like our N mechanism for night buses, except that (a) without the bit where sometimes N means an extended or altered route, and (b) applying on earlier, and on sundays. And (c) using an overprinted symbol rather than modifying the route number. But similar in all other ways! If you click on the link above you will see the table of route numbers against days / times of day at the bottom. The diagonal line is shown under certain routes. Oh, i thought that was a bowling scoresheet! tom -- A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky |
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On Mar 12, 8:11*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 12/03/2011 00:48, john b wrote: Many UK-based train companies have been successful (or at least, profitable) at running public transport overseas - Stagecoach, First and NEG all do, and Arriva did well enough that Deutsche Bahn paid two billion euros for them and put Arriva management in charge of all its international operations. Though they is the issue that foreign state-owned[1] companies can buy up "British" businesses, but we have no equivalent doing the opposite. BRB Residuary isn't going to be bidding for any German operating contracts, and while French companies can run our passenger trains, British firms - state or private - can't run theirs. Arriva ran lots of trains in Germany. As part of the DB deal, to avoid breaking competition rules, they've been sold to a joint venture between the Italian state rail operator and a French private equity fund. It also ran trains in the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic and Poland (and still does, although obviously now it's DB- owned. FirstGroup still has a joint venture with the Danish state rail operator to run trains in Sweden. National Express used to run trains in Australia. France is the exception, not the rule, here (and yes, the way in which it dodges competition legislation is an outrage) - almost everywhere else in Europe, there are plenty of trains operated by companies of all nationalities, some state-owned, some joint ventures, and some privately owned. If the Arriva deal goes wrong, will the Bundestag allow DB to go the way of GNER and NXEC? I'm not clear what you mean here. The Bundestag would happily allow (and would probably be breaking the law if it didn't allow) ATW, XC or Chiltern to go the way of GNER and NXEC if they were unviable. But the Arriva deal isn't going to affect the regulated services that DB operates in Germany one way or another (well, it might have a marginal impact on economies of scale, group expertise, etc, but nothing major). [1] Germans often claim DB is "privatised" because it is structured as a company rather than as a ministry of railways. By that definition, many British nationalised industries were privately owned, not nationalised. True, it's clearly not privatised. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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Paul Corfield wrote on 12 March 2011 11:21:30 ...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:56:52 +0000, Tom wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom wrote: What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. Strictly there should be an acute accent on the last "e". All barré means is that a bus does not cover the full daytime route. Barré usually applies evenings and Sundays and the route number displayed on the bus has a diagonal line (or slash) across it to show that barré operates. Ah, je comprends, merci. Essentially like our N mechanism for night buses, except that (a) without the bit where sometimes N means an extended or altered route, and (b) applying on earlier, and on sundays. And (c) using an overprinted symbol rather than modifying the route number. But similar in all other ways! Err sort of. I think the barré concept has been in existence for a very long time so the French are very familiar with it. The only UK equivalent I can think of is the "E" suffix used on buses in Birmingham which indicates a short journey. I'm sure there must be others but I can't think of any. Paris now has quite a decent night bus network (Noctambus) and each route is lettered rather than numbered. Not quite as frequent as some of London's busiest routes but a welcome development given what existed a few years ago (i.e. not much). Many of the night routes stretch out into the suburbs and parallel the RER and Transilien rail network. Noctambus was the old night bus network with 18 lettered routes. The new night bus network, introduced in 2005, is called Noctilien, and has 42 numbered routes preceded by "N", e.g. N24. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On 12/03/2011 12:30, john b wrote:
On Mar 12, 8:11 pm, Arthur wrote: On 12/03/2011 00:48, john b wrote: Many UK-based train companies have been successful (or at least, profitable) at running public transport overseas - Stagecoach, First and NEG all do, and Arriva did well enough that Deutsche Bahn paid two billion euros for them and put Arriva management in charge of all its international operations. Though they is the issue that foreign state-owned[1] companies can buy up "British" businesses, but we have no equivalent doing the opposite. BRB Residuary isn't going to be bidding for any German operating contracts, and while French companies can run our passenger trains, British firms - state or private - can't run theirs. Arriva ran lots of trains in Germany. As part of the DB deal, to avoid breaking competition rules, they've been sold to a joint venture between the Italian state rail operator and a French private equity fund. It also ran trains in the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic and Poland (and still does, although obviously now it's DB- owned. FirstGroup still has a joint venture with the Danish state rail operator to run trains in Sweden. National Express used to run trains in Australia. France is the exception, not the rule, here (and yes, the way in which it dodges competition legislation is an outrage) - almost everywhere else in Europe, there are plenty of trains operated by companies of all nationalities, some state-owned, some joint ventures, and some privately owned. If the Arriva deal goes wrong, will the Bundestag allow DB to go the way of GNER and NXEC? I'm not clear what you mean here. Can DB, Trenitalia, NS, SNCF, DSB et al call on any resources of "last resort" which wouldn't be available to a FirstGroup or Stagecoach? Then there is the question of regulation, where Ruritanian Railways Holdings owns RR Infrastructure and RR Train Pathing and RR Electricity Supplies and RR Signalling, which control not only how RR Pax and RR Cargo's trains run, but also their competitors' trains. There was somewhere (Germany?) where the infrastructure manager offered a "bulk discount" on access, pegged slightly below the national railway's use, but hugely ahead of any new operators' needs. Though I think the EU squished that cunning plan! -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:56:52 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Paul Corfield wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:03:32 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: What's the 'barre' system? I had a google but couldn't find anything. If you click on the link above you will see the table of route numbers against days / times of day at the bottom. The diagonal line is shown under certain routes. Oh, i thought that was a bowling scoresheet! Oh I think you might just be teasing me with that response. You're cleverer than that. I should have realised it wasn't - there aren't nearly enough strikes. tom -- It sounds very much like a rock group consisting of a drum machine and a few 56k modems. -- Jon |
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