On Mar 21, 9:50*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

"Mizter T" *wrote

The Javelin service from St Pancras - Stratford - Ebbsfleet was and
remains a pivotal part of the overall games transport plan. It's not clear
how much of the SE Highspeed service will run during the games,

but the Javelin service will take priority. In this context I have every
expectation that the Games Travelcard will cover travel on the Javelin -
my understanding is that it will.

A passenger from (say) Ashford will presumably need to buy a ticket to
somewhere in order to use the Javelin service to access the Olympic site at
Stratford. *At the moment it seems that potential Olympic ticket purchasers
are not being told whether 'somewhere' is Ebbsfleet or Stratford or St.
Pancras or even somewhere else. *It certainly isn't clear to me, and I
consider myself reasonably clued-up on One-day Travelcards; perhaps I'm not
quite so clued-up on Period Travelcards. *It's not yet clear to what extent
a 'Games Travelcard' differs in validity from the sundry varieties of
inboundary/outboundary Day/Period Travelcards.

I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be
something from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

Given that Southeastern does not offer Advance tickets whatsoever,
then the question of whether that punter should buy their Advance
ticket as far as Ebbsfleet or Stratford simply doesn't arise because
said tickets don't exist.

I *think* the Games Travelcard will be like a regular Day Travelcard,
albeit with a little sprinkling of extra magic - now you're making me
a bit unsure! (I can't see any reason why it'd be like a season/period
Travelcard though.)


The OP is asking a similar question re travel from Maidenhead or Castle
Cary; the answer to that is also unclear.

If I was the OP I'd just expect it to be like a regular Day Travelcard
- as there's no such thing as a ticket to BZ6, then they should just
expect to buy a ticket to London as per normal... except I know that
Graham buys about seven split tickets to get to London!

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:07:50 -0000 a message from "John Salmon"
contained:

Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

On
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/getting-to-the-games/plan-your-travel/travel-tickets.php
it states 'Spectators will also be able to use their Games Travelcard
on the Javelin® service between St. Pancras and Stratford
International stations.'

On 21/03/2011 23:01, Chris Silke wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:07:50 -0000 a message from "John Salmon"
contained:

Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day
of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London
Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these
trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

On
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/getting-to-the-games/plan-your-travel/travel-tickets.php
it states 'Spectators will also be able to use their Games Travelcard
on the Javelin® service between St. Pancras and Stratford
International stations.'

Thanks. I've a feeling that's a late addition

"Chris Silke" wrote

On
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/getting-to-the-games/plan-your-travel/travel-tickets.php
it states 'Spectators will also be able to use their Games Travelcard
on the Javelin® service between St. Pancras and Stratford
International stations.'

That page links to this map:
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...elcard-map.pdf

Note that travel to Windsor & Eton Riverside, Slough, Cheshunt, and
Leigh-on-Sea is included for travel to specific events, that Watford
Junction is included, even though it is outside Zone 9, but that the
extensions to Grays, which come within the Oyster PAYG area, are excluded.
Note also that Stratford to Ebbsfleet is specifically excluded.

Peter

"Mizter T" wrote
I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be something
from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

It's now clear from the 'map' to which Chris Silke provided this link
elsewhere in this thread...
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...el-tickets.php
.... that Games Travelcards are *not* valid for travel to and from Ebbsfleet
International.

On Mar 21, 11:41*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

"Mizter T" *wrote

I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be something
from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

It's now clear from the 'map' to which Chris Silke provided this link
elsewhere in this thread...
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...el-tickets.php
... that Games Travelcards are *not* valid for travel to and from Ebbsfleet
International.

Interesting - I'd been under the impression that Games ticket holders
would get free travel on the Javelin service from and back to
Ebbsfleet (as a P&R, or at least coach-P&R location) - they still
could do I suppose, albeit outside the remit of the Games Travelcard.
We shall see.

In message , at 21:50:28 on
Mon, 21 Mar 2011, John Salmon remarked:

It's not yet clear to what extent a 'Games Travelcard' differs in
validity from the sundry varieties of inboundary/outboundary Day/Period
Travelcards.

ATOC said that there would be special fares, valid for return home till
the following mid-day[1], I wonder if the Olympic Travelcard will be the
same.

As for the Olympic Travelcard being available only on "some" National
Rail services, that would seem to be a reference to the exclusion on
Heathrow Connect beyond Hayes. And the truism that you won't find trains
run by East Coast, EMT etc, because they don't have a stop within the
London area other than the terminus.

I wonder if they will make an announcement clarifying whether or not
split ticketing is allowed (ie does the train have to stop at the
splitting station).

[1] It occurs to me that they have an assumption people will only be
visiting the events for one day. That might be a result of a predicted
shortage of hotel rooms, or a view that most people won't be able to
afford (or obtain) more than one day's worth of tickets.

--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 21:50:28 on Mon,
21 Mar 2011, John Salmon remarked:

It's not yet clear to what extent a 'Games Travelcard' differs in validity
from the sundry varieties of inboundary/outboundary Day/Period
Travelcards.

ATOC said that there would be special fares, valid for return home till
the following mid-day[1], I wonder if the Olympic Travelcard will be the
same.

As for the Olympic Travelcard being available only on "some" National Rail
services, that would seem to be a reference to the exclusion on Heathrow
Connect beyond Hayes. And the truism that you won't find trains run by
East Coast, EMT etc, because they don't have a stop within the London area
other than the terminus.

I wonder if they will make an announcement clarifying whether or not split
ticketing is allowed (ie does the train have to stop at the splitting
station).

I very much doubt it.

They won't be expecting a load of train anoraks to be buying event tickets
just so that they can use the special travel card to bash some rare
track/traction.

They're expecting normals who, if they aren't already starting their journey
that day inside London, will be buying a ticket to London Terminals without
a second thought

tim

"John Salmon" wrote in message
...
On 21/03/2011 23:01, Chris Silke wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:07:50 -0000 a message from "John Salmon"
contained:

Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day
of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London
Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will
be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include
the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these
trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

On
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/getting-to-the-games/plan-your-travel/travel-tickets.php
it states 'Spectators will also be able to use their Games Travelcard
on the Javelin® service between St. Pancras and Stratford
International stations.'

Thanks. I've a feeling that's a late addition

Only in the sense of "... to the advertising", it was always the intention.

What is still not clear is if they will be valid on Javelin to Ebbsfleet.

I've seen lots of speculation but absolutely no definitive statement either
way.

Not that I am an interested party here. And not because I wouldn't need to
use the ticket from Ebbsfleet if I had one, I would! It's because I have no
intention of buying into this overpriced event when I can watch it on the TV
for free! (and with a better view) [1].

tim

[1] Can anyone explain to me why people pay a thousand pounds to go to the
opening ceremony, I just don't get that at all!

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...


"Chris Silke" wrote

On
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/getting-to-the-games/plan-your-travel/travel-tickets.php
it states 'Spectators will also be able to use their Games Travelcard
on the Javelin® service between St. Pancras and Stratford
International stations.'

That page links to this map:
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...elcard-map.pdf

Note that travel to Windsor & Eton Riverside, Slough, Cheshunt, and
Leigh-on-Sea is included for travel to specific events, that Watford
Junction is included, even though it is outside Zone 9, but that the
extensions to Grays, which come within the Oyster PAYG area, are excluded.
Note also that Stratford to Ebbsfleet is specifically excluded.

Oops, looks like I replied a post too early

thanks

tim