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In message
, SB
writes

This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

Today's "one under" was at Surbiton. I'm sure part of the reason is to
seek out a fast line to ensure instant despatch, but it's so unfair on
drivers.

Massive disruption across the SWT network this afternoon as a result,
including cancellations, diversions and late running of up to an hour.
SWT Dorking service cancelled, and Exeter/Salisbury services terminating
at Basingstoke. Even the Windsor line and Hounslow loop line were
affected. Some services not expected to return to normal until tomorrow.
--
Paul Terry

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"Paul Terry" wrote in message
...
In message
, SB
writes

This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

Today's "one under" was at Surbiton. I'm sure part of the reason is to
seek out a fast line to ensure instant despatch, but it's so unfair on
drivers.

Massive disruption across the SWT network this afternoon as a result,
including cancellations, diversions and late running of up to an hour. SWT
Dorking service cancelled, and Exeter/Salisbury services terminating at
Basingstoke. Even the Windsor line and Hounslow loop line were affected.
Some services not expected to return to normal until tomorrow.
--
Paul Terry

2 yesterday.

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"Paul Terry" wrote

Massive disruption across the SWT network this afternoon as a result,
including cancellations, diversions and late running of up to an hour. SWT
Dorking service cancelled, and Exeter/Salisbury services terminating at
Basingstoke. Even the Windsor line and Hounslow loop line were affected.

Presumably some Main Line trains diverted via Chertsey and Staines, getting
in the way of Windsor and Hounslow Loop.

Peter

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"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...


"SB" wrote in message
...
Sadly there was yet another person hit by a train at Southall on
Monday evening (yesterday).

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/co...c=669.msg87663

This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem
to
be a regular occurance.

Anyway you would have thought that First Great Western might have
had
a contingency plan for such occurrences by now.

I suspect they had. BTP's target time for reopening a railway after
a fatality is 2 hours. If you could get a fleet of buses to
Paddington to take all the passengers it would almost certainly take
the best part of 2 hours.

An illustration.....

A few yearsgo I had a call (at home ) from my boss (I was working as a
coach driver).
"Come to the yard, collect a coach, go to Gatwick - they have fog
problems".

(I was living in Portsmouth, I had to drive to Gosport, pick up (and
check over) a vehicle, and drive it to Gatwick.

At Gatwick, three of us coach drivers had instructions to take a load
to Stansted. Being haemophrenic types, we decided one would do M25
anticlockwise, one M25 clockwise, and one (me ) through the middle of
London. (to see which was quickest - traffic was light, it was now the
small hours).

Going through the Victoria area aiming towards Park Lane, there was
nearly a riot from the passengers.... "There's the bloody hotel we
left 24 hours ago!!!!!"

:o)

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On 06/04/2011 20:44, Ian wrote:
At Gatwick, three of us coach drivers had instructions to take a load
to Stansted. Being haemophrenic types, we decided one would do M25
anticlockwise, one M25 clockwise, and one (me ) through the middle of
London. (to see which was quickest - traffic was light, it was now the
small hours).

Going through the Victoria area aiming towards Park Lane, there was
nearly a riot from the passengers.... "There's the bloody hotel we
left 24 hours ago!!!!!"

OK, who was quickest?


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:32:06 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
Utter drivel. How hard is it to buy an english book, watch TV, listen
to the radio?

Very hard if your spouse has you under effective house arrest.

And unless they had 2 minutes notice they would have known
they were going to britain and could have learnt some before they left
home.
So stop making excuses for these people.


You really haven't a clue, have you?

I have plenty thanks. Unfortunately you and Ellison

Who he ?

and just a couple of
hand wringing liberal apologists


As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Ah, standard issue get-me-out-of-this-hole-i've-dug response #1 - if you have
no answer just keep repeating yourself and hope the other person gives up.

ITYF you got your repetition in first.

Sad.

You said it.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:52:42 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:52:45 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

Maybe the police knew enough of the facts (unlike yourself) to know
that no evidence external to the vehicles had to be gathered ?

What , you think a truck head on over here would have the police leave
a single carraigeway road open with traffic on it? Dream on. It would be
closed for a day minimum.

Only one of the several accidents I have assisted at have involved a
road closure and it was not the one involving two fatalities; there is
no practical reason to stop traffic which is not interfering with the
proceedings and which can be safely guided past.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:57:04 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:12:39 +0100
"Nick P" wrote:
By the way you tell it you'd be happy to ignore any chance of preventing
this happening again and let any possible guilty parties get away free. In
that case, why bother having police at all?

It doesn't take 15 hours to photograph the road, measure distances and
clear it.

Not if you don't care about preserving evidence or waiting for
appropriate equipment to arrive but I doubt if 15 hours is routine.

Witness statements can be taken after the road is cleared.

Initial witness statements are best taken at the time otherwise you
find out the next day that one of the witnesses is actually a suspect.

I do agree that 15 hours is rather long for a RTA investigation but I'm not
sure that many people were delayed for the airport. The crash happened

Well the airport isn't the only important destination for the M11. Its
the main route from london to cambridge amongst other things.

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:50:59 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Ah, standard issue get-me-out-of-this-hole-i've-dug response #1 - if you have
no answer just keep repeating yourself and hope the other person gives up.

Sad.


ROTFL

Thats standard response #2. Are you going to work your way through the
entire list, do you have any sort of cogent argument you could put forward
or will your next reply be "troll" or "*plonk*" which are #3 and #4
respectively?

B2003

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 06/04/2011 20:44, Ian wrote:
At Gatwick, three of us coach drivers had instructions to take a
load
to Stansted. Being haemophrenic types, we decided one would do M25
anticlockwise, one M25 clockwise, and one (me ) through the middle
of
London. (to see which was quickest - traffic was light, it was now
the
small hours).

Going through the Victoria area aiming towards Park Lane, there was
nearly a riot from the passengers.... "There's the bloody hotel we
left 24 hours ago!!!!!"

OK, who was quickest?

AISTR, there wasn't very much in it between centre of London and
clockwise route.

Anticlockwise was rather longer.

But he did decide to stop for half an hour at Clackett Lane.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:51:24 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
Well unless you're suggesting that ALL spouses are effectively kidnapped
and brought here then that example is ********. Sure, there are some but
we're not talking about them.

How do you know we are not talking about people in corresponding
situations? I was.

Well they're not very common are they? Or are you suggesting a large
proportion of immigrant wives are held against their will?
And there are plenty who are not in that situation who can barely
speak the language. Whats their excuse? I know someone who's mother has
lived over here since before I was born yet she still speaks english like
someone who's done a weeks beginners course and no more. She is in no
way held prisoner since her husband buggered off years ago. She's just
****ing lazy and expects her kids to do everything for her including
translation.

government through our taxes. In other places, if you don't arrive at
the school gate with the requisite daily fee in your hand, you don't get
an education.

Which particular places then? Not in india or pakistan AFAIK.

i went. Stop trying to excuse lazyness or are you going to say that
all the ex-pat Brits in the costas who can't be arsed to learn
spanish also have a good excuse not to bother?

No, because one of my talents is sticking to the point, no matter how
much obfuscation comes along.

My point ,which you obviously didn't have the mental horsepower to
comprehend is that if people can get away without bothering to learn
a language they will. Its nothing to do with social situation or money, its just
lazyness.

B2003

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On 07/04/2011 09:44, d wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:50:59 +0100
Graeme wrote:
As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Ah, standard issue get-me-out-of-this-hole-i've-dug response #1 - if you have
no answer just keep repeating yourself and hope the other person gives up.

Sad.


ROTFL

Thats standard response #2. Are you going to work your way through the
entire list, do you have any sort of cogent argument you could put forward
or will your next reply be "troll" or "*plonk*" which are #3 and #4
respectively?


I suggest you go and watch Midsomer Murders, you won't find anything to
frighten you there.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On 07/04/2011 09:48, Ian wrote:
"Graeme wrote in message
...
On 06/04/2011 20:44, Ian wrote:
At Gatwick, three of us coach drivers had instructions to take a
load
to Stansted. Being haemophrenic types, we decided one would do M25
anticlockwise, one M25 clockwise, and one (me ) through the middle
of
London. (to see which was quickest - traffic was light, it was now
the
small hours).

Going through the Victoria area aiming towards Park Lane, there was
nearly a riot from the passengers.... "There's the bloody hotel we
left 24 hours ago!!!!!"

OK, who was quickest?

AISTR, there wasn't very much in it between centre of London and
clockwise route.

Anticlockwise was rather longer.

But he did decide to stop for half an hour at Clackett Lane.




Some years ago a colleague and I were driving back from Snetterton
circuit via the M11. We'd arranged to meet at a pub in Southampton.[1]
I went south round the M25, he went north. I got to the pub 10
minutes before he did.

[1] ob Railway, The Dolphin by St Denys Station.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On 07/04/2011 10:11, Hils wrote:
The solution to such things does not lie in inviting all of the world's
downtrodden to what is already the most densely-populated country in
Europe,

[snip diatribe]

You are the editor of the Daily Express AICMFP

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 06:49:39PM +0100, Paul Terry wrote:
In message
, SB
writes
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.
Today's "one under" was at Surbiton. I'm sure part of the reason is to
seek out a fast line to ensure instant despatch, but it's so unfair on
drivers.

And not just on the drivers. It's just plain inconsiderate to
*everyone*: passengers, drivers, other railway staff, emergency
services.

If you want to kill yourself, do it at home with a sharp knife.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:16:31 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 07/04/2011 09:44, d wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:50:59 +0100
Graeme wrote:
As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Ah, standard issue get-me-out-of-this-hole-i've-dug response #1 - if you
have
no answer just keep repeating yourself and hope the other person gives up.

Sad.


ROTFL

Thats standard response #2. Are you going to work your way through the
entire list, do you have any sort of cogent argument you could put forward
or will your next reply be "troll" or "*plonk*" which are #3 and #4
respectively?


I suggest you go and watch Midsomer Murders, you won't find anything to
frighten you there.

Who's frightened? Seems to me people like you are the scared little mice.
Too timid to tell people to buck up and learn the language because you can't
deal with confrontation no matter how mild.

B2003

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In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

*From:* David Cantrell
*Date:* Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:55:46 +0100

On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 06:49:39PM +0100, Paul Terry wrote:
In message


,
SB writes
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does
seem to
be a regular occurance.
Today's "one under" was at Surbiton. I'm sure part of the reason
is to seek out a fast line to ensure instant despatch, but it's
so unfair on drivers.

And not just on the drivers. It's just plain inconsiderate to
*everyone*: passengers, drivers, other railway staff, emergency
services.

If you want to kill yourself, do it at home with a sharp knife.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing


Yes, but it is particularly the drivers who may be affected badly and long
term by one-unders. Any witnesses may be affected to a lesser extent. For
people affected by the knock-on effect, such as delays to their journey,
it's more of a temporary inconvenience, however inconvenient it may be.

I agree that people shouldn't commit suicide in this way, but if they've
got to the state where they're going to kill themselves, they're probably
not thinking properly anyway.

Unfortunately, although jumping under a train is often thought of as a
quick sure way of going, it's rarely that. Many people survive, sometimes
with a lingering painful death a few hours, days or weeks later. Others
may survive minus various bits and pieces, but need permanent care. There
again, there are those who jump and walk away without a scratch, usually
to then go away and try again elsewhere.

Roger

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Hils wrote:

The solution to such things does not lie in inviting all of the world's
downtrodden to what is already the most densely-populated country in
Europe, and which already has 1 million homeless, 5 million people out
of work, and millions more who can only get by through state supplements
to inadequate incomes.

Nobody (certainly not me, to whom you wrote this) said it does.
--
..sig down for maintenance

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On 07/04/2011 13:44, d wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:16:31 +0100
Graeme wrote:
On 07/04/2011 09:44, d wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:50:59 +0100
Graeme wrote:
As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Ah, standard issue get-me-out-of-this-hole-i've-dug response #1 - if you
have
no answer just keep repeating yourself and hope the other person gives up.

Sad.


ROTFL

Thats standard response #2. Are you going to work your way through the
entire list, do you have any sort of cogent argument you could put forward
or will your next reply be "troll" or "*plonk*" which are #3 and #4
respectively?


I suggest you go and watch Midsomer Murders, you won't find anything to
frighten you there.

Who's frightened? Seems to me people like you are the scared little mice.
Too timid to tell people to buck up and learn the language because you can't
deal with confrontation no matter how mild.


We are dealing with you and you are hardly mild.

But, please, do explain how I tell someone to buck up and learn the
language when her slavemast^^^^^ husband won't let her have any contact
with the outside world unless she is chaperoned by him or his relatives?

She certainly won't be able to speak to any strange men, that could get
her killed.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On 6 Apr, 06:57, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:28:05 -0700 (PDT), W14_Fishbourne

wrote:
An FGW manager from Paddington might well have had to go to Southall

...for lots of reasons. *If that leaves no-one in effective charge at
Padd, they need more staff there.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Except that Network Rail runs Paddington

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In message , at 10:44:40 on
Tue, 5 Apr 2011, Chris Tolley writes

The only time I've bothered with Twitter (not railway related) I
haven't found anything sufficiently interesting to persevere with it.

Are you a potential user of Pikfu. It seems they tweeted last night
about the launch of the ?beta service.
--
Roland Perry

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT), W14_Fishbourne
wrote:
Except that Network Rail runs Paddington

Passenger services are subcontracted to the majority TOC at Network
Rail stations, generally.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

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On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Hils wrote:

The solution to such things does not lie in inviting all of the world's
downtrodden to what is already the most densely-populated country in
Europe

You're right, no problems in the UK will be solved by anything that
happens in the Netherlands, which is the most densely-populated
significant country in Europe.

Or if you really did mean the most densely-populated country in Europe,
then inviting people into Monaco *certainly* won't make any difference
to the UK.

It's also a country where the government is
starting a holocaust against the chronically ill and the poor

I think you'll find that holocausts are quite out of fashion in the
Netherlands (and Monaco).

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Did you know that shotguns taste like candy canes? Put the barrel in
your mouth and pull the trigger for an extra blast of minty goodness!

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On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 07:55:44AM -0500, wrote:

I agree that people shouldn't commit suicide in this way, but if they've
got to the state where they're going to kill themselves, they're probably
not thinking properly anyway.

Having dealt with a mentally ill neighbour, I find myself not giving a
**** how they're thinking if their actions are inconsiderate of others.
We should send their family the bill for cleaning up the mess.

Unfortunately, although jumping under a train is often thought of as a
quick sure way of going, it's rarely that ...

If I ever have to off myself, it'll be a sharp knife into my heart. It
really is the only way to be *sure* which is also relatively painless.

--
David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H. L. Mencken

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On 2011\04\08 15:43, David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Hils wrote:

The solution to such things does not lie in inviting all of the world's
downtrodden to what is already the most densely-populated country in
Europe

You're right, no problems in the UK will be solved by anything that
happens in the Netherlands, which is the most densely-populated
significant country in Europe.

England is more densely populated than the Netherlands. The UK is less so.

None of those routes is the quickest. In the small hours go M23/M25 Anticlockwise/A2/Blackwall Tunnel/A12/Redbridge roundabout/M11.

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Basil Jet wrote in
:

On 2011\04\08 15:43, David Cantrell wrote:
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Hils wrote:

The solution to such things does not lie in inviting all of the
world's downtrodden to what is already the most densely-populated
country in Europe

You're right, no problems in the UK will be solved by anything that
happens in the Netherlands, which is the most densely-populated
significant country in Europe.

England is more densely populated than the Netherlands. The UK is less
so.


Irrelevant: you either need to compare at the levels of regions-that-
are-historical-countries *or* at the levels of nation-states. Comparing
England to the Netherlands is a category error. And of course, Holland
is more densely populated than England.