In message , at
05:54:35 on Mon, 9 May 2011, Neil Williams
remarked:
What's helpful is a scheme where headlights (and sidelights) are
automatically extinguished when you turn off the ignition while the
lights are switched to driving/headlights.

So long as it can be disabled. I might want to leave them on for any
of a number of reasons.

[Volvo] Turn the light switch to the previous position to get sidelights
on when the ignition's off. I don't think there's a setting for
headlights on with the ignition off.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at
05:54:35 on Mon, 9 May 2011, Neil Williams
remarked:
What's helpful is a scheme where headlights (and sidelights) are
automatically extinguished when you turn off the ignition while the
lights are switched to driving/headlights.

So long as it can be disabled. I might want to leave them on for any
of a number of reasons.

[Volvo] Turn the light switch to the previous position to get sidelights
on when the ignition's off. I don't think there's a setting for
headlights on with the ignition off.

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e. That and the fact that they
are downmarket Fords.

(Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e. That and the fact that they
are downmarket Fords.

Apart from the fact that Ford don't own Volvo, where in the market would
that place Ford themselves?

On 09/05/2011 10:44, Adrian wrote:
(Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e. That and the fact that they
are downmarket Fords.

Apart from the fact that Ford don't own Volvo, where in the market would
that place Ford themselves?


Digressing slightly. I had a Volvo estate for years. Great workhorse,
very thirsty though.

In message , at 09:59:49 on
Mon, 9 May 2011, Steve Firth remarked:

[Volvo] Turn the light switch to the previous position to get sidelights
on when the ignition's off. I don't think there's a setting for
headlights on with the ignition off.

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e.

Actually, I quite like it

That and the fact that they are downmarket Fords.

Mine is a Mitsubishi in disguise (pre-Ford model).
--
Roland Perry

Adrian wrote:

(Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e. That and the fact that they
are downmarket Fords.

Apart from the fact that Ford don't own Volvo,

But they did when almost all of the current range were designed.

where in the market would that place Ford themselves?

Slightly above Volvo.

In message , at 10:47:09 on Mon, 9 May
2011, Bod remarked:

I had a Volvo estate for years. Great workhorse, very thirsty though.

Mine averages a little over 35mpg, which is not bad considering its
mainly urban use.
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 9 May 2011 11:03:16 +0100
(Steve Firth) wrote:
where in the market would that place Ford themselves?

Slightly above Volvo.

Have you sat in a ford recently? Most of the facias looks like they were
designed by Amstrad for a tenner with nasty cheap plastics and instruments.
I'll be nice and suggest that the budgets were used up on the engines and
running gear.

B2003

Bod wrote:
On 09/05/2011 10:44, Adrian wrote:
(Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Just one more reason why Volvos are ****e. That and the fact that they
are downmarket Fords.

Apart from the fact that Ford don't own Volvo, where in the market would
that place Ford themselves?


Digressing slightly. I had a Volvo estate for years. Great workhorse,
very thirsty though.


It is true that most of the present Volvo range are built on Ford or
Ford-derived platforms.

I'm not sure I would agree with Steve Firth's definition but Volvo
definitely lost something in terms of quality and image during Ford's
ownership.

It could be worse, though: look at what GM's ownership did to Saab!

Bruce wrote:

It could be worse, though: look at what GM's ownership did to Saab!

Fortunately they never sold the model that represented the lowest point
of GM's ownership of SAAB in the UK. That was the Subaru Impreza with
the SAAB bonnet. A realistic attempt at making the ugliest car in the
world event worse.