Black cab highway code
 

I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger all?

B2003

Black cab highway code
 

wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?

Black cab highway code
 

wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

There are exemptions in the Highway Code permitting black cabs and minicabs
stopping wherever they bloody like and for using their horns at 10 o'clock
at night in residential areas.

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"GT" wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?


They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

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On Tue, 3 May 2011 15:10:36 +0100
"GT" wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?

They mean don't stop no matter what in London or else. Though the "or else"
bit these days seems to mean "unless you really have to" rather than we'll
give you 3 points and tow your car like it should do.

B2003

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"Bruce" wrote in message
...
"GT" wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a
black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road,
on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic
behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?


They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforcable highway code entity, or just London local
authority doing what it likes?

Black cab highway code
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
"GT" wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a
black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road,
on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic
behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?


They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

Oh and whats wrong with the standard double yellow lines - they mean no
stopping too!

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"GT" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
"GT" wrote:
Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

Oh and whats wrong with the standard double yellow lines - they mean no
stopping too!


The difference is that yellow lines allow brief stopping to pick up or
set down passengers whereas, on Red Routes, stopping is prohibited.

A single red line means no stopping during the prescribed hours stated
on roadside signs. Double red lines means no stopping at any time.

Black cab highway code
 

"GT" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

Oh and whats wrong with the standard double yellow lines - they mean no
stopping too!

FFS... No, they don't.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/
documents/digitalasset/dg_070563.pdf

Black cab highway code
 

"GT" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforcable highway code entity

Did you bother to look at the HC before asking? If you had, you'd find
them in the "Signs & Markings" section.

Black cab highway code
 

"GT" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
"GT" wrote:
Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforcable highway code entity, or just London local
authority doing what it likes?


I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

The Act also refers to powers under the Highways Act 1980 and the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

This is far from being a complete answer to your question and I
present it only as a possible starting point for your research.

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On 2011\05\03 15:13, Mr. Benn wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a
black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the
road, on a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic
behind to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely
bugger all?

There are exemptions in the Highway Code permitting black cabs and
minicabs stopping wherever they bloody like

No, there aren't - any taxi picking up on zigzags is likely to be busted
- but taxis and minicabs are explicitly allowed to stop on red routes.
The whole point of red routes was that normal clearways would prevent
taxis from being hailed on precisely the routes that they use to get
back into Central London, so the red route was dreamt up specifically to
compromise between the desire to have functional roads and the desire to
have a functional taxi service.

and for using their horns at
10 o'clock at night in residential areas.

I've never heard a taxi do that, but minicabs do that habitually despite
having no exemption.

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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"GT" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforcable highway code entity

Did you bother to look at the HC before asking?

No I didn't.

If you had, you'd find them in the "Signs & Markings" section.

Indeed I would!

Black cab highway code
 

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"GT" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

Oh and whats wrong with the standard double yellow lines - they mean no
stopping too!

FFS... No, they don't.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/
documents/digitalasset/dg_070563.pdf

Lets hope there aren't any traffic jams or traffic lights along those routes
then - only taxis and blue badge holders would avoid prosecution!

Black cab highway code
 

"GT" wrote in message
b.com...
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"GT" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

Oh and whats wrong with the standard double yellow lines - they mean no
stopping too!

FFS... No, they don't.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum...ssets/@dg/@en/
documents/digitalasset/dg_070563.pdf

Lets hope there aren't any traffic jams or traffic lights along those
routes then - only taxis and blue badge holders would avoid prosecution!

Oh and before I get nasty replies - that was sarcasm!

Black cab highway code
 

On Tue, 03 May 2011 16:07:26 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
There are exemptions in the Highway Code permitting black cabs and
minicabs stopping wherever they bloody like

No, there aren't - any taxi picking up on zigzags is likely to be busted
- but taxis and minicabs are explicitly allowed to stop on red routes.

Someones sarcasm detector is broken today.

B2003

Minicabs - otherwise known as Private Hire Vehicles - are allowed to stop on red routes only if they are displaying what TfL calls a "roundel". If they do not have a "roundel" on both front and rear windscreens, they have no special exemption. A "roundel" is a circular blue and white badge.

Black cab highway code
 

On Tue, 03 May 2011 15:19:45 +0100, Bruce wrote:
They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

They're not just in London. There's some roads in central Birmingham with
double red lines. I've seen them in other places as well.

Black cab highway code
 

On Tue, 03 May 2011 16:01:42 +0100, Bruce wrote:

I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

All the red routes enforceable in Birmingham if the act only applies to
London?

Black cab highway code
 

On 03/05/2011 14:56, d wrote:

I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger all?

B2003

Do you know what a taxi is for?

I take it you don't complain when a bus stops at a bus-stop?

The whole world is a taxi-driver's taxi-stop (or at least, that bit of it
which is within his licensed area). Stopping to pick passengers up is what
taxis do.

Black cab highway code
 

On 03/05/2011 15:19, Bruce wrote:
wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Double red lines? What are they?


They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

But not for taxis.

As should be obvious.

Black cab highway code
 

LOn Tue, 03 May 2011 19:43:07 +0100, JNugent
wrote:
But not for taxis.

Are they legally allowed to stop on a Red Route causing an
obstruction? If so they IMO should not be.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Black cab highway code
 

On 03/05/2011 19:45, Neil Williams wrote:

JNugent wrote:

But not for taxis.

Are they legally allowed to stop on a Red Route causing an obstruction? If so
they IMO should not be.

What do you mean?

Black cab highway code
 

On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:51:18 +0100, JNugent
wrote:
What do you mean?

Taxis often stop to pick up or drop off where they are causing an
obstruction. Is this also legal?

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Black cab highway code
 

wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Because it is a taxi and that is what taxis do?
Was the experience traumatic for you?
Were you all upset?
Did you **** in your pants?
Hot flush?
Get angry?
Wished you lived 250 miles north of the great ******** of London?
Wished you did not live in the great ******** of the south?

Which one?
I'm interested.

--

Mr Pounder

Black cab highway code
 

Sandy wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 16:01:42 +0100, Bruce wrote:
I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

All the red routes enforceable in Birmingham if the act only applies to
London?


You conveniently ignored this caveat at the end of my post:

"This is far from being a complete answer to your question and I
present it only as a possible starting point for your research."

You are wasting your time asking questions that I am unqualified to
answer. I suggest you should do your own research..

Black cab highway code
 

On 03/05/2011 20:56, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:51:18 +0100, JNugent wrote:
What do you mean?

Taxis often stop to pick up or drop off where they are causing an
obstruction. Is this also legal?

Of course it is.

What's the alternative?

Black cab highway code
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:44:44 +0100, JNugent
wrote:
What's the alternative?

Drop off in side streets/laybys when possible. And users to hail
them where they won't cause other traffic to have to stop, though
boarding doesn't take long, it's the transaction on alighting that
does.

Perhaps accepting Oyster PAYG would speed that.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

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On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:36:02 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2011 14:56, d wrote:

I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger all?

B2003

Do you know what a taxi is for?

I take it you don't complain when a bus stops at a bus-stop?

Bus stops arn't generally sighted on corners in the middle of a traffic
light controlled junction are they you brainless ****wit?

The whole world is a taxi-driver's taxi-stop (or at least, that bit of it
which is within his licensed area). Stopping to pick passengers up is what
taxis do.

Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

B2003

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On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:10:21 +0100
"Mr Pounder" wrote:
wrote in message
...
I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on
a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind
to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger
all?

B2003

Because it is a taxi and that is what taxis do?
Was the experience traumatic for you?
Were you all upset?
Did you **** in your pants?
Hot flush?
Get angry?
Wished you lived 250 miles north of the great ******** of London?
Wished you did not live in the great ******** of the south?

I don't know arse pounder, why not make up something that makes you feel
better because you can't visit Soho as often as you'd like.

B2003

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On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:44:44 +0100
JNugent wrote:
On 03/05/2011 20:56, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:51:18 +0100, JNugent wrote:
What do you mean?

Taxis often stop to pick up or drop off where they are causing an
obstruction. Is this also legal?

Of course it is.

What's the alternative?

Ooo I know , how about they stop where they DON'T cause an obstruction!

Radical idea but you never know - it might just work.

B2003

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On 04/05/2011 09:33, d wrote:

wrote:
d wrote:

I'm guessing there isn't one. Or they're exempt. Otherwise how can a black
cab stop halfway across a signalled junction in the middle of the road, on a
corner, on double red lines in central london, blocking the traffic behind to
pick up a passenger and some plods in a van nearby do absolutely bugger all?

Do you know what a taxi is for?

Apparently you don't.

I take it you don't complain when a bus stops at a bus-stop?

Bus stops arn't generally sighted on corners in the middle of a traffic
light controlled junction are they you brainless ****wit?

Buses stop where they stop (which frequently *is* at or very close to road
junctions). Taxis stop where they stop. If you don't understand that a taxi
might stop to pick up a passenger or drop one off, should you be trusted with
a driving licence?

The whole world is a taxi-driver's taxi-stop (or at least, that bit of it
which is within his licensed area). Stopping to pick passengers up is what
taxis do.

Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

Black cab highway code
 

On 04/05/2011 09:36, d wrote:

wrote:
On 03/05/2011 20:56, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2011 19:51:18 +0100, wrote:

What do you mean?

Taxis often stop to pick up or drop off where they are causing an
obstruction. Is this also legal?

Of course it is.
What's the alternative?

Ooo I know , how about they stop where they DON'T cause an obstruction!
Radical idea but you never know - it might just work.

Relax. The answer is already known: it wouldn't work. There is nowhere one
can stop on the highway without "obstructing" traffic behind. To argue that
no such obstruction is permissible is to argue that taxi drivers must not be
allowed to ply their trade and that taxi passengers are not entitled to a
service.

The whole idea of hailing a taxi is that it stops for you, you get in, tell
the driver where you want to go and off you go. Is this explanation news to you?

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On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:40:09 +0100
JNugent wrote:
Relax. The answer is already known: it wouldn't work. There is nowhere one
can stop on the highway without "obstructing" traffic behind. To argue that
no such obstruction is permissible is to argue that taxi drivers must not be
allowed to ply their trade and that taxi passengers are not entitled to a
service.

Don't be an ass all your life. Is your dad a taxi driver by any chance?

B2003

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On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:35:58 +0100
JNugent wrote:
Bus stops arn't generally sighted on corners in the middle of a traffic
light controlled junction are they you brainless ****wit?

Buses stop where they stop (which frequently *is* at or very close to road
junctions). Taxis stop where they stop. If you don't understand that a taxi
might stop to pick up a passenger or drop one off, should you be trusted with
a driving licence?

I think I'll keep your post as one of the best examples of ****wittedness
I've read this year.

Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

QED.

B2003

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On 04/05/2011 13:47, d wrote:

wrote:

Bus stops arn't generally sighted on corners in the middle of a traffic
light controlled junction are they you brainless ****wit?

Buses stop where they stop (which frequently *is* at or very close to road
junctions). Taxis stop where they stop. If you don't understand that a taxi
might stop to pick up a passenger or drop one off, should you be trusted with
a driving licence?

I think I'll keep your post as one of the best examples of ****wittedness
I've read this year.

You do yourself a great disservice. I could never compete with someone who
recognises a taxi when he sees one but doesn't know what it is, what it does
or that it might stop.

Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

QED.

Do you know what that actually means?

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On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:02:47 +0100
Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

QED.

Do you know what that actually means?

Why do you ask, you don't think your final sentence demonstrated your complete
mastery of the art of ****wittedness? Well please post some more, I need
a laugh.

B2003

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On 04/05/2011 14:15, d wrote:

Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

QED.

Do you know what that actually means?

Why do you ask,

Because you have demonstrated nothing (other than that you don't know what
"QED" means).

you don't think your final sentence demonstrated your complete
mastery of the art of ****wittedness? Well please post some more, I need
a laugh.

There is no reason why a taxi-passenger (prepared to pay out good money)
should be disadvantaged simply because you are behind "their" cab and have
not anticipated that the vehicle might stop to pick up a passenger. It's what
taxis do. Remember that simple fact and never get up so close behind one that
you are forced to stop if it stops (this especially so in an urban
environment). You know it makes sense.

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wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:02:47 +0100
Passengers are capable of walking an extra 10 metres if the cap stops
up
the road in a safe position.

Why should they have to?

QED.

Do you know what that actually means?

Why do you ask, you don't think your final sentence demonstrated your
complete
mastery of the art of ****wittedness? Well please post some more, I need
a laugh.

\*point* boltar is trying to appear tough again g

--
--

https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

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On Wed, 04 May 2011 14:24:47 +0100
JNugent wrote:
Why do you ask,

Because you have demonstrated nothing (other than that you don't know what
"QED" means).

If you say so. Though so far all you've said is crap so I won't hold much
store by it.

There is no reason why a taxi-passenger (prepared to pay out good money)
should be disadvantaged simply because you are behind "their" cab and have

Whatever. Substitue taxi and passenger for 7.5 tonner and delivery and watch
london grind to a halt.

not anticipated that the vehicle might stop to pick up a passenger. It's what
taxis do. Remember that simple fact and never get up so close behind one that
you are forced to stop if it stops (this especially so in an urban
environment). You know it makes sense.

You're a cabbie or you're related to one arn't you. Only someone in the trade
would defend the indefensible with such hollow and idiotic arguments. You'll
be ranting about it to Nick Ferrari on LBC next.

B2003