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In message , at 12:31:41 on
Sat, 7 May 2011, Paul Corfield remarked:

[1] except at Hong Kong International Airport. The Airport Line has
premium fares so it is separately gated off from all other lines.

Madrid metro has a premium fare to the airport (but not stations earlier
or later on the same line). I assume they enforce this with exit
barriers, I forget. I do remember having to go through barriers when
changing from one line to another near the city centre.
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Roland Perry

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 12:31:41 on
Sat, 7 May 2011, Paul Corfield remarked:

[1] except at Hong Kong International Airport. The Airport Line has
premium fares so it is separately gated off from all other lines.

Madrid metro has a premium fare to the airport (but not stations earlier
or later on the same line). I assume they enforce this with exit barriers,
I forget.

They do.

It's quite funny sitting watching the people with "normal" tickets try to
exit the station :-) (There are machines inside the barrier at which you
have to buy the "premium" airport ticket if you um, forgot, on entry.

tim

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In message , Roland Perry
writes

I never cease to be amazed at the majority of people I travel with
abroad just jump into taxis

And that can be a seriously bad idea in some cities. Jumping into the
nearest taxi at Prague airport (which has no rail connections) is a
recipe for a rip-off, if not a mugging - pre-booking with a reputable
company or through the information desk at the airport really is
essential for safety.
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Paul Terry

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On Sat, 7 May 2011 12:46:17 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

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Madrid metro has a premium fare to the airport (but not stations earlier
or later on the same line). I assume they enforce this with exit
barriers, I forget.

Madrid's T123 and T4 have a "suplemento" of ¤1 which you can add at
purchase or near the exit - stick the same ticket into a machine,
throw in a ¤1 coin, ticket is returned with the suplemento and you
exit ok at the gates. As you say, for fun the station between T123 and
T4 is Barajas which is w/o supplement. I wonder when MdM machines will
accept gringo CCs despite the labels showing no reason why.

I do remember having to go through barriers when
changing from one line to another near the city centre.
Curious which. Was it to/from the Cercanias or standard Renfe? MdM
lines connect without barriers but there can be very long walks:
Nuevos Ministeros 8 to 6 is loooong.
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In message , at 16:47:00 on
Sun, 8 May 2011, Colum Mylod remarked:
I do remember having to go through barriers when
changing from one line to another near the city centre.
Curious which. Was it to/from the Cercanias or standard Renfe? MdM
lines connect without barriers but there can be very long walks:
Nuevos Ministeros 8 to 6 is loooong.

It was somewhere on the northern portion of Line 9 (which was acting as
a shuttle), to the remainder.
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Roland Perry

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"solar penguin" wrote in message
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But compare that with how easy it is to fall across problems with
Oyster PAYG. It's unlikely you could use it for even a few trips
without coming across some sort of problem. That's the difference.


There are certasinly things I don't like about Oyster, particularly the need
to *not* touch accidentally on NR pads when I'm using a combination of paper
NR tickets and Oyster. However, over the last few years of PAYG usage the
only problems I've encountered have worked in my favour - usually pads on
buses not working resulting in a free journey. OTOH an NR gate at Victoria
swallowed my paper ODTC as I was exiting the other day, and I was half way
across the concourse before I realised what had happened and it was too late
to do anything about it. This cost me about £18 in single fares to continue
my journeys that day for the loss of a ticket that had only cost about £12
in the first place.

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DAS

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:34:24 +0100, "D A Stocks"
wrote:
to do anything about it. This cost me about £18 in single fares to
continue
my journeys that day for the loss of a ticket that had only cost
about £12
in the first place.

Er, why not purchase another Travelcard if that was cheaper?

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

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In article
,
(George) wrote:

It's happened to me so many times (on trains and tube) that I now only
use PAYG Oyster for bus and tram travel (where a simple flat fare is
deducted), for rail travel I use paper tickets, normally a ODTC. I
also know many other people who've been similarly overcharged as well,
indeed there was an article about it in the Evening Standard
recently.

The trouble for some of us is that ODTCs from Cambridge would usually cost
me more than Oyster.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

And that's a site with a very good English-language rendition of
its rules. I never did find anything as useful for Lisbon, so
reluctantly used taxis instead.

Have they still got their wonderful ancient trams?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 06:30:28
on Mon, 16 May 2011, remarked:

And that's a site with a very good English-language rendition of
its rules. I never did find anything as useful for Lisbon, so
reluctantly used taxis instead.

Have they still got their wonderful ancient trams?

Yes, although I think some have been rebuilt. None go to the airport
(nor does the Metro), which is the sort of issue I was grappling with -
especially as it's so close to the City Centre. Trams hug the kilometre
closest to the river front.

I see from this map I might have needed the 44 bus (from Oriente
station).

http://mappery.com/map-of/Lisbon-Bus-Tram-and-Metro-Map
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Roland Perry

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
.net...
On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:34:24 +0100, "D A Stocks"
wrote:
to do anything about it. This cost me about £18 in single fares to
continue
my journeys that day for the loss of a ticket that had only cost
about £12
in the first place.

Er, why not purchase another Travelcard if that was cheaper?

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

A combination of an offer price that was only available online, and I didn't
have time to queue for half an hour for the ticket office, so it was a case
of using Oyster PAYG and then buying an NR single from a machine to get me
home. I don't think the NR machines at Victoria would sell a Brighton to
Z1-6 travelcard anyway.

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DAS

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On 16/05/2011 12:30, wrote:
In , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

And that's a site with a very good English-language rendition of
its rules. I never did find anything as useful for Lisbon, so
reluctantly used taxis instead.

Have they still got their wonderful ancient trams?


Yes. Plus some modern ones along the waterfront, and a very good tram
museum. Went I went in Janaury they didn't seem to do an all-modes
travelcard-equivalent, which was annoying, and one of the funiculars had
given up the ghost when we turned up.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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In article , (D A
Stocks) wrote:

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
.net...
On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:34:24 +0100, "D A Stocks"
wrote:
to do anything about it. This cost me about £18 in single fares to
continue my journeys that day for the loss of a ticket that had only
cost about £12 in the first place.

Er, why not purchase another Travelcard if that was cheaper?

A combination of an offer price that was only available online, and
I didn't have time to queue for half an hour for the ticket office,
so it was a case of using Oyster PAYG and then buying an NR single
from a machine to get me home. I don't think the NR machines at
Victoria would sell a Brighton to Z1-6 travelcard anyway.

Why couldn't you have gone back to the barrier and got the staff to return
the ticket that had been taken in error? I've seen it done before now.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote in message
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In article , (D A
Stocks) wrote:

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
.net...
On Sun, 15 May 2011 16:34:24 +0100, "D A Stocks"
wrote:
to do anything about it. This cost me about £18 in single fares to
continue my journeys that day for the loss of a ticket that had only
cost about £12 in the first place.

Er, why not purchase another Travelcard if that was cheaper?

A combination of an offer price that was only available online, and
I didn't have time to queue for half an hour for the ticket office,
so it was a case of using Oyster PAYG and then buying an NR single
from a machine to get me home. I don't think the NR machines at
Victoria would sell a Brighton to Z1-6 travelcard anyway.

Why couldn't you have gone back to the barrier and got the staff to return
the ticket that had been taken in error? I've seen it done before now.


I did try this but by the time I realised what had happened I couldn't
remember which gate I had gone through and the staff weren't about to open
up each gate in turn on a busy morning with a lot of people going through.

DAS