At Bayswater station this afternoon (Sunday), the westbound platform
indicator was scrolling a message which read something like "When the
Olympia service is operating, customers for Wimbledon should change at
Earl's Court". It continued to display this from time to time, even when a
Wimbledon train was indicated.

Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service? I thought the
Olympia service always ran to/from High St Kensington.
--
Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote:

At Bayswater station this afternoon (Sunday), the westbound platform
indicator was scrolling a message which read something like "When the
Olympia service is operating, customers for Wimbledon should change at
Earl's Court". It continued to display this from time to time, even when a
Wimbledon train was indicated.

Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service? I thought the
Olympia service always ran to/from High St Kensington.

On Mondays through Fridays *all* Olympia trains originate at High Street
Kensington.(and are run by D-stock from Ealing Common depot if I recall
correctly)

Since only C-stock can run from High Street Kensington to Edgware Road and
there to my knowledge are no trains of C-stock on regular service to Olympia I
am puzzled :-)

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"Richard J." wrote in message
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Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service?

Yes, that is why Olympia appears on the C-stock route maps as well as the
D-stock ones.

From memory...

A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak
served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at
Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains
and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains
to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House?
Barking?). Also, because Edgware Road - Olympia takes less time than Edgware
Road to Wimbledon, District C-stock requirement fell, and the C-stock trains
released could be used on the H&C, allowing every morning peak train to
reach Barking.

In the evening peak none of this happened, and consequently there was only
enough C-stock on the H&C to run half the trains to Barking and half to
Plaistow. This difference between the morning and evening H&C timetables
makes sense.

Morning H&C crowds from Barking must have an 8-minute H&C service from
Barking, or else they will get the first District train to Aldgate East and
wait up to 6 minutes on an already very busy station. This would also lead
to the H&Cs which did start at Barking running fairly empty, and
overcrowding on the Districts preventing people getting on them in Tower
Hamlets... so District passnegers would get on the empty H&Cs and then
change at Aldgate East for a District, making Aldgate East's crowding still
worse.

In the evening, however, it is okay for H&C crowds returning home towards
Barking to be dumped on Plaistow, where there is room for them to wait a
mere 2 minutes for the next District train to Barking.

So was the real reason behind the Olympia morning timetable to do with
Wimbledon commuters for the south side of the Circle, or to do with Barking
commuters to the north side of the Circle? I don't know, but I bet it had
nothing to do with Olympia passengers.

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In message , John Rowland
writes
A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak
served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at
Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains
and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains
to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House?
Barking?).

Tower Hill.
--
Kat "A world without string is chaos"

There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous
timetable at any time of the day.

"Kat" wrote in message
...
In message , John Rowland
writes
A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak
served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at
Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains
and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock
trains
to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House?
Barking?).

Tower Hill.
--
Kat "A world without string is chaos"

Ishmael Sayle III wrote:
"Kat" wrote in message
...
In message , John Rowland
writes

A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning
peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock
service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple
of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled
a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon
and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?).

Tower Hill.

There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the
previous timetable at any time of the day.

Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the
display at Bayswater.
--
Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote in message
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Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the
display at Bayswater.

I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described
is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so
difficult to change that noone has bothered. Either that, or noone realised
that the change in service patterns required a change in the software for
the describers.

A similar example occurred on the Northern Line in 1999, when the line was
closed between Moorgate and Kennington for several months for engineering
work. The DMIs at (at least) Euston and King's Cross continued to show the
message "all trains go to london bridge".

"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Ishmael Sayle III wrote:
"Kat" wrote in message
...
In message , John Rowland
writes

A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning
peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock
service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple
of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled
a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon
and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?).

Tower Hill.

There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the
previous timetable at any time of the day.

Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the
display at Bayswater.

The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have
decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia
has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be
reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now

David Splett wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere
affecting the display at Bayswater.

I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you
described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't
forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered.

Er, what's the problem with changing 1980s software? At least if it's
software, it *can* be readily changed, as distinct from firmware or
hardware.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Thomas Crame wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Ishmael Sayle III wrote:
"Kat" wrote in message
...
In message , John Rowland
writes

A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning
peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no
D-stock
service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple
of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled
a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon
and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?).

Tower Hill.

There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the
previous timetable at any time of the day.

Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere
affecting the display at Bayswater.

The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have
decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia
has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be
reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now

There was no apparent or reported disruption of the service, and the
message was still being scrolled as a Wimbledon train was announced above
it.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)