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Edgware Road - Olympia service?
At Bayswater station this afternoon (Sunday), the westbound platform
indicator was scrolling a message which read something like "When the Olympia service is operating, customers for Wimbledon should change at Earl's Court". It continued to display this from time to time, even when a Wimbledon train was indicated. Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service? I thought the Olympia service always ran to/from High St Kensington. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Richard J." wrote:
At Bayswater station this afternoon (Sunday), the westbound platform indicator was scrolling a message which read something like "When the Olympia service is operating, customers for Wimbledon should change at Earl's Court". It continued to display this from time to time, even when a Wimbledon train was indicated. Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service? I thought the Olympia service always ran to/from High St Kensington. On Mondays through Fridays *all* Olympia trains originate at High Street Kensington.(and are run by D-stock from Ealing Common depot if I recall correctly) Since only C-stock can run from High Street Kensington to Edgware Road and there to my knowledge are no trains of C-stock on regular service to Olympia I am puzzled :-) -- Lars Elmvang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Min mailadresse finder du ved kun at skrive det overeksponerede domænenavn én gang |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Richard J." wrote in message
... Is there ever a direct Edgware Road - Olympia service? Yes, that is why Olympia appears on the C-stock route maps as well as the D-stock ones. From memory... A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Also, because Edgware Road - Olympia takes less time than Edgware Road to Wimbledon, District C-stock requirement fell, and the C-stock trains released could be used on the H&C, allowing every morning peak train to reach Barking. In the evening peak none of this happened, and consequently there was only enough C-stock on the H&C to run half the trains to Barking and half to Plaistow. This difference between the morning and evening H&C timetables makes sense. Morning H&C crowds from Barking must have an 8-minute H&C service from Barking, or else they will get the first District train to Aldgate East and wait up to 6 minutes on an already very busy station. This would also lead to the H&Cs which did start at Barking running fairly empty, and overcrowding on the Districts preventing people getting on them in Tower Hamlets... so District passnegers would get on the empty H&Cs and then change at Aldgate East for a District, making Aldgate East's crowding still worse. In the evening, however, it is okay for H&C crowds returning home towards Barking to be dumped on Plaistow, where there is room for them to wait a mere 2 minutes for the next District train to Barking. So was the real reason behind the Olympia morning timetable to do with Wimbledon commuters for the south side of the Circle, or to do with Barking commuters to the north side of the Circle? I don't know, but I bet it had nothing to do with Olympia passengers. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
In message , John Rowland
writes A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Tower Hill. -- Kat "A world without string is chaos" |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous
timetable at any time of the day. "Kat" wrote in message ... In message , John Rowland writes A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Tower Hill. -- Kat "A world without string is chaos" |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
Ishmael Sayle III wrote:
"Kat" wrote in message ... In message , John Rowland writes A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Tower Hill. There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous timetable at any time of the day. Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Richard J." wrote in message
... Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered. Either that, or noone realised that the change in service patterns required a change in the software for the describers. A similar example occurred on the Northern Line in 1999, when the line was closed between Moorgate and Kennington for several months for engineering work. The DMIs at (at least) Euston and King's Cross continued to show the message "all trains go to london bridge". |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Ishmael Sayle III wrote: "Kat" wrote in message ... In message , John Rowland writes A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Tower Hill. There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous timetable at any time of the day. Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
David Splett wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered. Er, what's the problem with changing 1980s software? At least if it's software, it *can* be readily changed, as distinct from firmware or hardware. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
Thomas Crame wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Ishmael Sayle III wrote: "Kat" wrote in message ... In message , John Rowland writes A few years ago, (C-stock) trains from Edgware Road in the morning peak served Olympia and Wimbledon alternately. There was no D-stock service at Olympia during these hours. This freeing up of a couple of D stock trains and the reduced track usage to Wimbledon enabled a few extra D-stock trains to run back and forth between Wimbledon and somewhere (Mansion House? Barking?). Tower Hill. There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous timetable at any time of the day. Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now There was no apparent or reported disruption of the service, and the message was still being scrolled as a Wimbledon train was announced above it. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have
decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now If Olympia had a long interval without train there would have had to be a SERIOUS disruption, since the service is run with 2 trains running with 15-18 minutes between. (So a complete round takes 30-36 minutes for that short stretch) -- Lars Elmvang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Min mailadresse finder du ved kun at skrive det overeksponerede domænenavn én gang |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
In message , Lars Elmvang
writes The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now If Olympia had a long interval without train there would have had to be a SERIOUS disruption, since the service is run with 2 trains running with 15-18 minutes between. (So a complete round takes 30-36 minutes for that short stretch) Sorry to be OT but I was looking at the current District Line timetable today and wondered exactly where the Triangle depot is... TIA -- Kat "A world without string is chaos" |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Richard J." wrote in message ... David Splett wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered. Er, what's the problem with changing 1980s software? At least if it's software, it *can* be readily changed, as distinct from firmware or hardware. It's firmware. The controllers for the DMI look rather like a teletype! |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
Kat wrote:
In message , Lars Elmvang writes The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now If Olympia had a long interval without train there would have had to be a SERIOUS disruption, since the service is run with 2 trains running with 15-18 minutes between. (So a complete round takes 30-36 minutes for that short stretch) Sorry to be OT but I was looking at the current District Line timetable today and wondered exactly where the Triangle depot is... TIA AFAIK it's Triangle Sidings rather than Triangle Depot. It's in the triangle between Gloucester Road, Earl's Court and High Street Kensington, actually underneath the block that includes Sainsbury's just off Cromwell Road (used to be West London Air Terminal many years ago). Access to the sidings is from the District Line south of High Street Kensington. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
In message , Richard J.
writes Kat wrote: In message , Lars Elmvang writes The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now If Olympia had a long interval without train there would have had to be a SERIOUS disruption, since the service is run with 2 trains running with 15-18 minutes between. (So a complete round takes 30-36 minutes for that short stretch) Sorry to be OT but I was looking at the current District Line timetable today and wondered exactly where the Triangle depot is... TIA AFAIK it's Triangle Sidings rather than Triangle Depot. Yes it is, I mis-remembered it... It's in the triangle between Gloucester Road, Earl's Court and High Street Kensington, actually underneath the block that includes Sainsbury's just off Cromwell Road (used to be West London Air Terminal many years ago). Access to the sidings is from the District Line south of High Street Kensington. Thanks. -- Kat Reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it. |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
On 29 Dec 2003, Thomas Crame wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Ishmael Sayle III wrote: There is no service from Edgware road to Olympia on this and the previous timetable at any time of the day. Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now I was on one when it happened once: it was a circle as far as Aldgate, and then changed; i never thought i'd be leaving Aldgate on a H+C train! tom -- information distribution, vox humana, deviation, handle, feed, l.g. ** |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard J. wrote:
David Splett wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered. Er, what's the problem with changing 1980s software? At least if it's software, it *can* be readily changed, Um, changing software often isn't as easy as you make out. In principle, it's entirely malleable, but in practice, it's often incredibly difficult. tom -- information distribution, vox humana, deviation, handle, feed, l.g. ** |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... On 29 Dec 2003, Thomas Crame wrote: The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now I was on one when it happened once: it was a circle as far as Aldgate, and then changed; i never thought i'd be leaving Aldgate on a H+C train! A very common occurrence in recent years. I've also been on H&Cs that became Circle services upon reaching Liverpool Street. |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
Tom Anderson wrote:
The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now I was on one when it happened once: it was a circle as far as Aldgate, and then changed; i never thought i'd be leaving Aldgate on a H+C train! It happens every evening, although some trains change only at Edgware Road -- Lars Elmvang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Min mailadresse finder du ved kun at skrive det overeksponerede domænenavn én gang |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Jack Taylor wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... On 29 Dec 2003, Thomas Crame wrote: The service could have been disrupted, and the controller may have decided to run one, either to get a train back to time or if Olympia has had a long interval without a train. I've known Circles to be reformed into Hammersmith's en route before now I was on one when it happened once: it was a circle as far as Aldgate, and then changed; i never thought i'd be leaving Aldgate on a H+C train! A very common occurrence in recent years. I've also been on H&Cs that became Circle services upon reaching Liverpool Street. Now that makes sense, as does Lars's observation of them changing at Edgware Road, as these are stations that are on both the circle and the H+C. Changing at Aldgate just struck me as surreal - why not wait until Liverpool Street? Of course, whether they change at Aldgate, Liverpool St, Edgware Road or anywhere else is really irrelevant, as it only makes any difference once you get to Paddington or whatever's after (or Liverpool Street if you're going clockwise). Still, they ought to be consistent, or else we'd end up with metropolitan trains converting to H+C at Great Portland Street, over to circle at Farringdon, and then back to metropolitan at Aldgate, just in time to terminate. It'd be anarchy, anarchy i tell you! tom -- or are they poststructuralist terrorists? perhaps we shall never truly know. |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Richard J. wrote: David Splett wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Thanks. Someone must have thrown the wrong switch somewhere affecting the display at Bayswater. I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that the message you described is programmed into the system (1980s software, don't forget), and is so difficult to change that noone has bothered. Er, what's the problem with changing 1980s software? At least if it's software, it *can* be readily changed, Um, changing software often isn't as easy as you make out. In principle, it's entirely malleable, but in practice, it's often incredibly difficult. Yes, I know, I was doing it before you were born; but I can't imagine that disabling one particular message would be all that difficult (though regenerating it in firmware could pose problems with old kit). -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Edgware Road - Olympia service?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:17:59 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: I was on one when it happened once: it was a circle as far as Aldgate, and then changed; i never thought i'd be leaving Aldgate on a H+C train! Which reminds me. Can somebody tell me when the last Putney Bridge to Aldgate Bank Holiday service ran? -- Bill Hayles http://billnot.com |
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Edgware Road - Olympia service?
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
On which topic how many trains turn back at Putney Bridge these days? I can see there's at least a rusty rail movement but how many trains reverse there now? On weekdays only one in the evening according to timetable. I don't know what happens in the weekends -- Lars Elmvang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Min mailadresse finder du ved kun at skrive det overeksponerede domænenavn én gang |
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