I have read in these newsgroups that the only two things holding up
the electrification of the GOBLIN and the implementation of 378s on
this route are the short platforms at South Tottenham station
(necessitated by the junctions at either end) and the inability to
find funding for the electrification. Are both of these problems still
without solutions, or are there solutions available awaiting the
necessary funding (which won't arrive until 2016 at the earliest
IMHO)?

Also, are the 172s any good? I've not sampled them yet so I'm
interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect thanks
to the newer trains.

TheOneKEA wrote:

short platforms at South Tottenham station (necessitated by the
junctions at either end)

Back in the day, when the service ran from Kentish Town, it was 4-car
DMUs with people opening their own doors. If 378s have SDO (perhaps even
if they don't, given where the doors are), then there shouldn't be any
problem, should there?

Also, are the 172s any good?

I like them. They are clean (and look like it will be easy to keep them
that way), comfortable, and fairly well-used.

I'm interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect
thanks to the newer trains.

I can't say if more people are travelling than before, but what's
against the line is that few of the stations have direct interchanges
with other lines, so it's always going to be among the quieter lines in
its area. Mind you, there has been plenty of work at most if not all the
stations to make them more pleasant, so who knows.
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Chris Tolley wrote:

short platforms at South Tottenham station (necessitated by the
junctions at either end)

Back in the day, when the service ran from Kentish Town, it was 4-car
DMUs with people opening their own doors.

That was when the platforms were longer - they were cut in the 1990s. The
problem at the west of the station isn't the junction but the A10.

On 30/05/2011 03:24, TheOneKEA wrote:
I have read in these newsgroups that the only two things holding up
the electrification of the GOBLIN and the implementation of 378s on
this route are the short platforms at South Tottenham station
(necessitated by the junctions at either end) and the inability to
find funding for the electrification. Are both of these problems still
without solutions, or are there solutions available awaiting the
necessary funding (which won't arrive until 2016 at the earliest
IMHO)?

Also, are the 172s any good? I've not sampled them yet so I'm
interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect thanks
to the newer trains.

I didn't think that there were plans to electrify the GOBLin, especially
considering that they relatively recently received new rolling stock.

If they do electrify, then will it be overhead or 3rd rail? Will they
also use 378s? Are there enough available for such a service?

On May 30, 10:37*am, "
wrote:

I didn't think that there were plans to electrify the GOBLin, especially
considering that they relatively recently received new rolling stock.

I think it is planned, but I don't know on what timescale.

If they do electrify, then will it be overhead or 3rd rail?

It would be 25 kV overhead, as are the short sections of the line
which are already electrified, Woodgrange Park Junction to Barking
Station Junction and between the Junctions either side of South
Tottenham station.

Will they
also use 378s? Are there enough available for such a service?

Don't know.

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wrote:

On 30/05/2011 03:24, TheOneKEA wrote:
I have read in these newsgroups that the only two things holding up
the electrification of the GOBLIN and the implementation of 378s on
this route are the short platforms at South Tottenham station
(necessitated by the junctions at either end) and the inability to
find funding for the electrification. Are both of these problems still
without solutions, or are there solutions available awaiting the
necessary funding (which won't arrive until 2016 at the earliest
IMHO)?

Also, are the 172s any good? I've not sampled them yet so I'm
interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect thanks
to the newer trains.

I didn't think that there were plans to electrify the GOBLin, especially
considering that they relatively recently received new rolling stock.

If they do electrify, then will it be overhead or 3rd rail? Will
they also use 378s? Are there enough available for such a service?

There are reasons to electrify GOBLIN for cross-London freight traffic as
well as passengers. The 172 would go elsewhere on NR where they would be
most welcome.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On May 30, 10:37*am, "
wrote:
On 30/05/2011 03:24, TheOneKEA wrote:

I have read in these newsgroups that the only two things holding up
the electrification of the GOBLIN and the implementation of 378s on
this route are the short platforms at South Tottenham station
(necessitated by the junctions at either end) and the inability to
find funding for the electrification. Are both of these problems still
without solutions, or are there solutions available awaiting the
necessary funding (which won't arrive until 2016 at the earliest
IMHO)?

Also, are the 172s any good? I've not sampled them yet so I'm
interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect thanks
to the newer trains.


They seem OK, a bit of annoying rattling when stationary on the unit I
was in yesterday (172 001). The services seem much busier than they
used to be off-peak.

I didn't think that there were plans to electrify the GOBLin, especially
considering that they relatively recently received new rolling stock.

There are plans (and have been for some time), the problem is the
funding and who pays (TfL or DfT or both). More of the route will be
electrified as part of the Thameslink program, to provide access to
Hornsey from the Midland Mainline.


If they do electrify, then will it be overhead or 3rd rail?

Overhead, as this is already used at both ends (and through South
Tottenham station). 3rd rail probably wouldn't be allowed as all the
3rd rail in the area has been removed, so it would be a new isolated
section.

Will they also use 378s?

Probably

Are there enough available for such a service?

They would have to order some more units, but that wouldn't be a
problem in the short term. The Class 172 would be leased to another
TOC if this were the case and my understanding is that was why they
have the internal layout that they do. It was also one of the reasons
that they were directly leased from Angel Trains, rather than the more
complex ownership history of the class 378s (originally ordered by TfL
directly).

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Chris Tolley wrote:

short platforms at South Tottenham station (necessitated by the
junctions at either end)

Back in the day, when the service ran from Kentish Town, it was 4-car
DMUs with people opening their own doors.

That was when the platforms were longer - they were cut in the 1990s. The
problem at the west of the station isn't the junction but the A10.

One lives and learns.
--
..sig down for maintenance

On May 30, 11:50*am, Andy wrote:
They would have to order some more units, but that wouldn't be a
problem in the short term. The Class 172 would be leased to another
TOC if this were the case and my understanding is that was why they
have the internal layout that they do. It was also one of the reasons
that they were directly leased from Angel Trains, rather than the more
complex ownership history of the class 378s (originally ordered by TfL
directly).

If the Croxley link came to pass the 172s could be easily redeployed
to provide the Watford to Aylesbury shuttle service. No need to change
the lease. It would also be possible to outsource the maintenance to
Chiltern who operate similar stock.

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In article ,
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On 30/05/2011 03:24, TheOneKEA wrote:
I have read in these newsgroups that the only two things holding up
the electrification of the GOBLIN and the implementation of 378s on
this route are the short platforms at South Tottenham station
(necessitated by the junctions at either end) and the inability to
find funding for the electrification. Are both of these problems
still without solutions, or are there solutions available awaiting
the necessary funding (which won't arrive until 2016 at the earliest
IMHO)?

Also, are the 172s any good? I've not sampled them yet so I'm
interested to know if the GOBLIN has had a mini-sparks effect thanks
to the newer trains.

I didn't think that there were plans to electrify the GOBLin,
especially considering that they relatively recently received new
rolling stock.

If they do electrify, then will it be overhead or 3rd rail? Will
they also use 378s? Are there enough available for such a service?

There are reasons to electrify GOBLIN for cross-London freight
traffic as well as passengers. The 172 would go elsewhere on NR where
they would be most welcome.

Aren't they already earmarked for Chiltern?