Graeme Wall wrote:

On 15/06/2011 15:36, Chris wrote:
If that were a stroke, the paramedic would have had an ambulance
called& the woman evacuated very quickly.

CJB - did you see this lady evacuated?

Are you talking to yourself or have I missed something?

You have missed the difference between Bates and Brady.
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On 17/06/2011 09:51, Chris Tolley wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:

On 15/06/2011 15:36, Chris wrote:
If that were a stroke, the paramedic would have had an ambulance
called& the woman evacuated very quickly.

CJB - did you see this lady evacuated?

Are you talking to yourself or have I missed something?

You have missed the difference between Bates and Brady.

So I have.

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In message
, CJB
writes

they have no medical facilities at Paddington Underground, not even a
SM's room (or whatever). Neither did they say why the staff have not
had stroke FAST training.

The moral: don't fall ill on the Undergound.

It's equally unwise to fall ill while driving a car or riding a bus. But
I agree that the LU staff seemed poorly prepared to help.

Actually, it can even be unwise to fall ill in a hospital, as my mother
did when visiting a relative in an internationally famous UK specialist
cancer hospital - "best to drive her to the general hospital up the
road, as we don't have the equipment or expertise here for what might be
meningitis" I was told

--
Paul Terry

In article
,
CJB wrote:

Neither did they say why the staff have not had stroke FAST training.

Who said it was a suspected stroke though?

E.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:07:00 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

In message
, CJB
writes

they have no medical facilities at Paddington Underground, not even a
SM's room (or whatever). Neither did they say why the staff have not
had stroke FAST training.

The moral: don't fall ill on the Undergound.

It's equally unwise to fall ill while driving a car or riding a bus. But
I agree that the LU staff seemed poorly prepared to help.

Actually, it can even be unwise to fall ill in a hospital, as my mother
did when visiting a relative in an internationally famous UK specialist
cancer hospital - "best to drive her to the general hospital up the
road, as we don't have the equipment or expertise here for what might be
meningitis" I was told

Not like when I used to work in a hospital in London when one of the
porters had a heart attack in the pub over the road one lunchtime and
the cardiac team and their trolley was sent out of the back door of
the hospital to deal with it.

On Jun 15, 1:48*pm, tony sayer wrote:
Ignoring the misposted bits at the end (sorry about that).

Yes I have made a formal complaint to TfL; also I've written to the
Evening Standard - as I said God help us if there is a real emergency
- certainly the staff at Paddington are simply not prepared nor
apparently trained for medical emergencies; and I've emailed the
Stroke Association.

It may also be worth sending a letter to the London Ambulance service,
stating your concerns and requesting that if they agree with them they
should contact TfL themselves. (Obviously they can't disclose to you
the outcome, but they can check with their paramedic whether he agrees
with your assessment)

Well done to the OP for doing something re this casualty, and I'd do
just the same thing in similar circumstances. I cannot think anyone
would criticise anyone for doing the same.

It would be a good idea to take this further and try to get the
ambulance service to talk to the railway re training their staff 'else
another day and same circumstances;(..

Why didn't the station staff just call an ambulance anyway?, after all
there're the ones to handle this and its puts the station management and
staff in the clear anyway?..

How very odd;?...

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Tony Sayer

Is it really that odd? As with the F.C.C. St Albans staff did nothing
to help (what turned out to be a fre dodger faking it in the end - but
thats NOT the point) an ill person story, just where do WE all fit in
to this sort of incident.

I am NOT "HEAT" trained other than from TV vieiwing and I am not first
aid trained. What I am very experienced in is speaking to the
emergency services on behalf of people who for a number of reasons
don't want to.

Throughout the whole of my career I have fielded calls from station
staff, Drivers direct, drivers via signallers (because the signaller
did not want to do it?) conductors and others. These have beenn a
fairly even mix of calls for police and ambuilances.

So the call goes along the lines of - you need to call then yourself -
you have all the answers they will ask you - the reply the driver has
rung off or if I am lucky the person is on the phone to me with the
ill person.

How old ? Male / Female ? nature of problem ? (Don;t know is a
frequent answer) age? Concious ? breathing ? anybody with her to know
if there is a medical history?

So I ring 999 and often have to expalin that whilst they can see I am
rining from central London I need to an ambulance for Ramsgate /
Peterborough / Downham Market or Warblington (All genuine cals I have
made over time).

Dealing with somebody suffering from trauma is NOT an everyday
experience for the vast majority of the population, in fact it is down
right scary to the point that the person dealing with it can become
traumatised themselves. Watching somebody suffering a severe heart
attack and relaying the information can and does render people
speechless. I had to console a guard who watched a woman die in these
circumstances and he was a complete gibbering wreck. When I am asked
to call 999 on someone elses behalf I will always check quickly why
they are not doing it, often they say that they have never done it
before and will then do so, if not I then crack on myself as I will
not waste time.

It's a funny old world because often the complete opposite has
happened and we get multiple calls to ask if there is a major incident
at xx or yy because the ambulance service is inundated with calls from
a train of a pssenger collapsed (etc).

I am not trying to stick up for any wrongdoings here and if staff have
been less than efficient in circumstances as described by CJB they
need to be addressed, just raising the point that not everybody knows
what do in general. Obviously if you have had training in first aid
you mix with and discuss with like minded people and it becomes part
of the "norm" but what percentage of people are first aid trained or
"HEAT" trained and what expectaion should we have that if I go to, say
the cinema, or a restaraunt, that any of the staff there are HEAT
trained?

Will be intersesting to see if Mr Murray is sent on an errand !

Richard

In article
s.com, Fat richard scribeth thus
On Jun 15, 1:48*pm, tony sayer wrote:
Ignoring the misposted bits at the end (sorry about that).

Yes I have made a formal complaint to TfL; also I've written to the
Evening Standard - as I said God help us if there is a real emergency
- certainly the staff at Paddington are simply not prepared nor
apparently trained for medical emergencies; and I've emailed the
Stroke Association.

It may also be worth sending a letter to the London Ambulance service,
stating your concerns and requesting that if they agree with them they
should contact TfL themselves. (Obviously they can't disclose to you
the outcome, but they can check with their paramedic whether he agrees
with your assessment)

Well done to the OP for doing something re this casualty, and I'd do
just the same thing in similar circumstances. I cannot think anyone
would criticise anyone for doing the same.

It would be a good idea to take this further and try to get the
ambulance service to talk to the railway re training their staff 'else
another day and same circumstances;(..

Why didn't the station staff just call an ambulance anyway?, after all
there're the ones to handle this and its puts the station management and
staff in the clear anyway?..

How very odd;?...

Sniped

I am not trying to stick up for any wrongdoings here and if staff have
been less than efficient in circumstances as described by CJB they
need to be addressed, just raising the point that not everybody knows
what do in general. Obviously if you have had training in first aid
you mix with and discuss with like minded people and it becomes part
of the "norm" but what percentage of people are first aid trained or
"HEAT" trained and what expectaion should we have that if I go to, say
the cinema, or a restaraunt, that any of the staff there are HEAT
trained?

Will be intersesting to see if Mr Murray is sent on an errand !

Richard

Well it seems to me in this instance that they would be putting
themselves in the clear of any blame and cover their backsides by
passing his onto the emergency services .. well that would have been
what I would have done in those circumstances course as you say some
aren't that accustomed to dealing with such incidents etc...
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Tony Sayer

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:27:13AM -0700, CJB wrote:

Neither did they say why the staff have not had stroke FAST training.

There are zillions of conditions which I'm sure they've not had medical
training for. Why would you expect them to have specifically had
training in what to do for stroke victims?

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David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

Sobol's Law of Telecom Utilities:
Telcos are malicious; cablecos are simply clueless.

cjb, couldn't you have called 999 at the very start of the incident? I
don't remember if mobiles work from the Underground. But I would like to
know exactly what to do if I'm involved in something like this (I've had
to call 911 numerous times; it's the first thing I think when I see an
accident.)