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"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message ... On Jul 11, 6:47 pm, "Zen83237" wrote: I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up. On a Victoria Line train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then sat for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to a very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several more times. Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train wasn't withdrawn so think ok. A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the doors still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open. The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of the tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. Nearly have a punch up on the escalator with the **** who thinks it is fine to barge in ahead of everybody else.. Then have the privilege of having to swipe out to get out of the now closed station. So all in all nearly killed on the train, involved in a fight with an ignorant ****, half an hour late home and paid a full zone 2 to zone 1 station and having to walk to Euston.Well done London Underground. I take it that it was a technical fault. I would hate to think there will be more strikes because a driver was sacked for overiding safety protocols. Now when are those Olympics. Kevin I have to say that I found your post difficult to get to the heart of. Until I got past the first half of the post all I seemed seemed to hear about was the train failure.- so what, these things happen. Then, halfway through the post, you told us in two successive sentences that (1) the train couldn't move because the doors were open and then (2) that the train moved even with the doors open. The latter should never happen, though it would have helped our understanding if you'd told us whether or not it affected all the doors or just one set, and whether the doors were completely open or just a centimetre or two. On top of this you do seem a bit prone to exaggeration; you can't say on the one hand that you *nearly* had a punch-up on the escalator and on the other that you were involved in a fight - one or other can't be true. Furthermore, you were affronted by your fellow passenger barging in and remonstrated with him, so one might wonder whether it was you picking a fight with him instead of him with you. You say that "So what if Warren Street is close to Euston, I have paid for Hammersmith to Euston, not Warren Street." To be pedantic, you didn't, you paid for a journey to Zone 1. In fact, you paid the same as for a journey to Finsbury Park but you didn't complain about 'wasting' part of that by getting off at Euston. Read a well-written article in a good newspaper - you will see that the core of the matter is dealt with in the very first paragraph, not mentioned in passing in a whole load of other ranting. You might get more support if you learned this skill. And I trust that you have contacted RAIB, not just vented your anger here. How would I know if the doors in other carriages were open or not. I assumed the whole train but that was only my assumption. Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved. No it should happen so why did it The Evening Standard said, the train travelled a carriage length, incorrect. The driver performed an emergeny stop, rebooted the computer and closed the doors. In correct. A Tfl spokes woman said A NB Vic Line train at Warren St moved a short distance along the platform with the platform doors(??????) of one carriage not properly shut. No, they were fully open. Nice of TfL to lie. They also failed to mention the problems the train had on its way from Oxford Circus.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you ask any police officer they will tell you that the number of different and contradictory accounts of any event will be the same as the number of witnesses there are to it. And none of them will be completely borne out by CCTV evidence. |
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, at 05:46:35 on Wed, 13 Jul 2011, W14_Fishbourne remarked: The Evening Standard said, the train travelled a carriage length, incorrect. If you ask any police officer they will tell you that the number of different and contradictory accounts of any event will be the same as the number of witnesses there are to it. And none of them will be completely borne out by CCTV evidence. Some things are easier to corroborate than others. The number of coaches inside the tunnel can be worked out pretty easily, if necessary by counting the number still in the platform. -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:47:59 +0100, Zen83237 wrote:
On a Victoria Line train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then sat for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to a very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several more times. Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train wasn't withdrawn so think ok. A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the doors still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open. The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of the tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. There's two news reports on the web: url:http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...9134-mind-the- doors-then-tube-train-leaves-station-with-them-still-open.do url:http://www.tntmagazine.com/tnt-today...2/tube-leaves- station-with-doors-open.aspx In the evening standard (thisislondon) report a TfL spokesman said "No one was hurt. London Underground is immediately investigating why this may have occurred and the train has been taken out of service. We apologise to any passengers who were concerned by the incident." No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of the occurrence. Could TfL may have "forgotten" to notify RAIB? Shouldn't the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's movement? Rgds Denis McMahon |
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wrote: (David Cantrell) wrote: Oh, I didn't know that existed. Thanks! Does something similar exist for other Oystery problems, and if so have they sorted out the bad design that requires people go to a TfL station to pick up their refunds? I got a refund (by phoning the helpline) paid into my bank account. The payment came from "TRANSPORT TRADING". I did mention it here. Transport Trading Ltd is a major subsidiary company of TfL: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/4510.aspx#ttl |
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On Jul 13, 2:27*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
Some things are easier to corroborate than others. The number of coaches inside the tunnel can be worked out pretty easily, if necessary by counting the number still in the platform. -- Maybe so, and the CCTV on the platform should enable that to be worked out, but I bet that eye-witness reports will vary from "the front of the train had just entered the tunnel" to "almost the whole train was in the tunnel". |
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On Jul 13, 5:31*pm, Denis McMahon wrote:
No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of the occurrence. If they'd told you that they were aware of the incident you might have assumed they knew all about it and not have been so forthcoming. Shouldn't the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's movement? And create even more havoc? These days everything to do with the train is recorded, what more will be discovered by examining it in situ? |
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"David Cantrell" wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:56:07PM +0100, Mizter T wrote: [snip] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/ Oh, I didn't know that existed. Thanks! Does something similar exist for other Oystery problems, and if so have they sorted out the bad design that requires people go to a TfL station to pick up their refunds? There is a variety of secure online contact forms regarding to Oyster issues buried in the 'Help & contact' tree here - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact - how successful that is w.r.t. dealing with 'Oystery problems' I don't know (e.g. see Recliner's problems in his post above). Refunds can be picked up when travelling from or to any station in London (including NR stations), it's not just TfL stations - though I think some people have suggested there might be a few stations missing from the list? One needs to be making a journey from or to that station, the refund can't just be picked up from a ticket machine. |
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wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: wrote: [snip] Oh, right. Total waste of time then. Total waste of time for those people who've been delayed on a Tube journey for 15+ minutes and wish to claim a refund as per the customer charter - how do you figure that one out? Total waste of time to get refunds when people have been overcharged on Oyster, even if it is a consequence of a 15+ minutes journey delay, I meant. The Oyster maximum journey time limits are fairly generous - I wouldn't generally expect a 'normal' delay on the Tube (of say 20 mins or whatever) to bust them. I posted the link to the Tube refund webform in response to a comment suggesting that the only way of claiming a refund / compensation for disrupted Tube journey (i.e. under the Customer Charter) was by telephone - I didn't claim it dealt with wider Oyster charging issues. |
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"Recliner" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: P.S. Haven't people had success with getting refunds for timeout type situations by using the secure contact form here http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact ? (Yes, I know it's another web form!) I found you just get an email apology, but no action, when you complain about Oyster time-outs on-line. I had to call the helpline, which was decidedly unhelpful, but eventually coughed up after quite an argument (I had to remind the operator that the call was probably being recorded, so he'd better be more helpful). You can also try a ticket office, if you can find one open, and they seem to have some limited power to deal with it, as long as you do it within a week or so. That's disappointing to hear. I must work harder to try and get some unresolved journeys as a result of OSI time-out issues so I can experience this first hand. That said, the Oyster bods do seem to do some sort of trawl for likely Oyster OSI time-out related double charges, which can then result in the automated (and suitably vague) "Due to operational issues..." email proffering a refund appearing few days later. I guess one suggestion is that those people with registered Oyster cards could try waiting for a few days to see if such an email arrives before initiating contact themselves. |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: wrote I really hate online web forms because you don't get a copy of what you wrote for your own records. Or is this one unlike all the others? I wasn't aware of the form and used the phone last time. A very few let you have a copy by automatically or on request sending one to the email address that you give or are registered with. Not rocket science. Copy/paste also (mostly) works. Does the apology letter copy the details you gave ? Print to a PDF file or equivalent? Agree that having no record of what you said can be pretty unsatisfactory. |
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"Paul Rigg" wrote in message ... "It might be a bit off topic but if you wanted to go from Hammersmith to Euston why didn't you use the Hammersmith and City Line to Euston Square? Just a thought Because the Hammersmith and Circle lines are utterly useless? Typical scenario: Wait for seven minutes at Paddington for an Eastbound train on an advertised frequency of every five minutes. At Edgware Road wait another four minutes "to regulate the service" even though by my reckoning the train is already late (or perhaps the previous train left Paddington early?). Then at Baker Street wait another three minutes for the same reason. I nearly always take the Bakerloo to Baker Street for the Met forward or Bakerloo to Oxford Circus for the Victoria. Either option is better then the Circle. John |
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"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 11:06 am, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message ... Loved how that article lead off by describing passengers as "terrified." Their random hyperbole generator usually gets stuck on 'misery' - perhaps it has been fixed? Paul S No, misery is only generated when delay or minor inconvenience is involved, though it is a totally inappropriate word since commuting is, almost by definition, a misearable affair. Terrified is for when something out of the ordinary happens. The average passenger not having a clue as to how the railway works, then becomes terrified. For example, when they see the train driver letting go of the steering wheel they will be terrified that the train will veer across the tracks and crash. Or the wrong colour train turns up and they are terrified that it might transport them to some far-flung and probably hostile part of the country. Oddly, the one circumstance in which very few passengers don't even bat an eye, let alone get terrified, is when the driver applies full emergency braking. They must have short memories. VEPs used to depart Victoria every few minutes with doors open:-) John |
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On Jul 13, 9:03*pm, "John C" wrote:
They must have short memories. VEPs used to depart Victoria every few minutes with doors open:-) But I bet more arrived with doors open than departed. -- Nick |
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On 13/07/2011 11:06, Paul Scott wrote:
wrote in message ... Loved how that article lead off by describing passengers as "terrified." Their random hyperbole generator usually gets stuck on 'misery' - perhaps it has been fixed? I think the railways will be Extremely Sorry if they try criticising the Evening Standard for deploying machine-created emotions. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after
reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of the occurrence. Shouldn't the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's movement? I'm not sure that RAIB necessarily need to be involved. I think some contributors need to stand back from this a bit and think a bt more rationally. There is a big difference between a train moving off with doors open and continuing with doors open (as occurred at Kentish Town on FCC a few weeks back), and train departing a station with not all doors closed and then near immediately brought to a controlled emergency stop. For the train on topic here, all reports indicate the train did halt with a least some some cars in the platform, which to me suggests a controlled emergency stop. Some of the less hysterical reports also indicate the doors problem was not all cars but only some. One door open is not good, but get a grip on reality here. Door failures are not wholly unheard of on the underground or main line, but you don't see RAIB investigations for trains where correct emergency stops were occurred. IMHO I suggest that this is probably not a RAIB reportable incident. -- Nick |
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On 13/07/2011 13:14, W14_Fishbourne wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:06 am, "Paul wrote: wrote in message ... Loved how that article lead off by describing passengers as "terrified." Their random hyperbole generator usually gets stuck on 'misery' - perhaps it has been fixed? Paul S No, misery is only generated when delay or minor inconvenience is involved, though it is a totally inappropriate word since commuting is, almost by definition, a misearable affair. Terrified is for when something out of the ordinary happens. The average passenger not having a clue as to how the railway works, then becomes terrified. The way it was described makes me think that it was the train that stopped, rather than the driver taking any action. It sounds like the train started, with the driver thinking that he had all his doors closed -- possibly because something happened with a door circuit. When he pushed the start button, that door circuit did what it was supposed to do and cut back in. Or the wrong colour train turns up and they are terrified that it might transport them to some far-flung and probably hostile part of the country. I'm not quite sure about that, to be honest. I once saw a YouTube video of an excursion train, I think a 38 stock. The train had come into Camden Town and was holding at the platform for the starter signal, obviously with its doors shut. IIRC, people on the platform were confused about why the train wasn't opening it doors, oblivious to the fact that the rolling stock was completely out of the ordinary. The train itself was probably shorter than usual. |
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wrote: On 13/07/2011 11:06, Paul Scott wrote: wrote in message ... Loved how that article lead off by describing passengers as "terrified." Their random hyperbole generator usually gets stuck on 'misery' - perhaps it has been fixed? I think the railways will be Extremely Sorry if they try criticising the Evening Standard for deploying machine-created emotions. Won't the railways just carry on as normal, regardless of mass media? The media are hardly in the business of transporting people about, are they? -- Frank Erskine |
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19:32:39 on Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Dr J R Stockton remarked: I really hate online web forms because you don't get a copy of what you wrote for your own records. Or is this one unlike all the others? I wasn't aware of the form and used the phone last time. It may depend on the browser used - but you probably know the value of having a choice - but try the File menu, Print Preview ; and try Alt- PrtScn and paste into Paint or elsewhere ... . Non-Windows OSs should have something similar. Printing to a PDF is much more elegant, and far fewer keystrokes (sometimes important when balancing a laptop on your knee while running for a train). Web designers often forget their users aren't sitting in nice warm offices with 2000x2000 pixel screens, and a few feet from a working printer, like what they are. -- Roland Perry |
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On 13 July, 22:57, D7666 wrote:
For the train on topic here, all reports indicate the train did halt with a least some some cars in the platform, which to me suggests a controlled emergency stop. Some of the less hysterical reports also indicate the doors problem was not all cars but only some. One door open is not good, but get a grip on reality here. Assuming that the photograph in the ES is of the train concerned, which it appears to be, the vast majority of the train is in the platform, contrary to the report from the OP which said that half the train was in the tunnel. However, I am a bit mystified why the door interlocking doesn't (a) just prevent power being taken when a door is open rather than, as the implication is here, (b) allowing power to be taken then cutting it off if a door is open. Presumably interlocking of type (b) also covers the event of a train door coming open while the train is moving, giving two levels of protection for the price of one. |
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"D7666" wrote in message ... On Jul 13, 9:03 pm, "John C" wrote: They must have short memories. VEPs used to depart Victoria every few minutes with doors open:-) But I bet more arrived with doors open than departed. -- Nick Agreed, especially on peak trains and even more so after TPWS. Several passengers from the front coach would pass the buffer stops before the train stopped. John |
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, at 01:10:53 on Thu, 14 Jul 2011, W14_Fishbourne remarked: However, I am a bit mystified why the door interlocking doesn't (a) just prevent power being taken when a door is open rather than, as the implication is here, (b) allowing power to be taken then cutting it off if a door is open. Presumably interlocking of type (b) also covers the event of a train door coming open while the train is moving, giving two levels of protection for the price of one. Do these trains have lights over the doors to show they aren't closed yet (like older tube trains)? -- Roland Perry |
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"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 13/07/2011 22:58, wrote: I'm not quite sure about that, to be honest. I once saw a YouTube video of an excursion train, I think a 38 stock. The train had come into Camden Town and was holding at the platform for the starter signal, obviously with its doors shut. IIRC, people on the platform were confused about why the train wasn't opening it doors, oblivious to the fact that the rolling stock was completely out of the ordinary. The train itself was probably shorter than usual. Indeed, this happens on a regular basis on the 38TS tours, especially at central London stations (with tourists who may believe that LU still run 75 year old stock on a daily basis). Incidentally, it's also quite common for the 38 stock to be moving along with one of the doors open. Some people are more picky than others. There was a time when the 1845 Cambridge to King's Cross frequently turned out a 317 vice 365. It was viewed with suspicion by the locals who were used to a 365. The same unit then did the 2007 to Peterborough. The commuters didn't bat an eyelid and piled on. Another anecdote, when the EPB farewell tour was at Redhill platform 2 the locals assumed it was going to Victoria. In fact when the same tour stopped at London Bridge en route to Charing Cross several passengers did get on. John |
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"John C" wrote: Another anecdote, when the EPB farewell tour was at Redhill platform 2 the locals assumed it was going to Victoria. In fact when the same tour stopped at London Bridge en route to Charing Cross several passengers did get on. I remember reading an anecdote on here years ago (god knows whether it was true) that once when an LU engineering train stopped at a still open station a few of the passengers tried to get onto the wagons. No doubt just happy to get a seat. B2003 |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:43:39 +0100 "John C" wrote: Another anecdote, when the EPB farewell tour was at Redhill platform 2 the locals assumed it was going to Victoria. In fact when the same tour stopped at London Bridge en route to Charing Cross several passengers did get on. I remember reading an anecdote on here years ago (god knows whether it was true) that once when an LU engineering train stopped at a still open station a few of the passengers tried to get onto the wagons. No doubt just happy to get a seat. Presumably thought they'd missed the last train, and just happy to take any escape route. |
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wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: The Oyster maximum journey time limits are fairly generous - I wouldn't generally expect a 'normal' delay on the Tube (of say 20 mins or whatever) to bust them. Not that generous if you remember the discussion about a journey from King Cross to Putney via Highbury & Islington, Willesden Junction and Clapham Junction. :-) Why on earth would they want to go that way? Victoria Line to Oxford Circus, Bakerloo to Waterloo, then SWT would be a lot quicker. (Yes, I know, Putney isn't the sort of place that anyone would hurry to get to, and I can't blame them for wanting to delay reaching there. But even Putney's got to be more pleasant than travelling on the North London Line!) |
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 06:12:42PM +0100, Mizter T wrote:
Refunds can be picked up when travelling from or to any station in London (including NR stations) Oh, that's new since the last time I asked about it. Good. it's not just TfL stations - though I think some people have suggested there might be a few stations missing from the list? One needs to be making a journey from or to that station, the refund can't just be picked up from a ticket machine. Sucks for people who rarely travel by train, like those who mostly use buses. -- David Cantrell | London Perl Mongers Deputy Chief Heretic Support terrierism! Adopt a dog today! |
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"Recliner" wrote: wrote: I remember reading an anecdote on here years ago (god knows whether it was true) that once when an LU engineering train stopped at a still open station a few of the passengers tried to get onto the wagons. No doubt just happy to get a seat. Presumably thought they'd missed the last train, and just happy to take any escape route. I recall a story of an angry bloke trying to get himself and his family into the cab of a freight train (or light?) locomotive at I think Wandsworth Rd station, which seems bizarre enough to be true. |
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On Jul 14, 1:09*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
"Recliner" wrote: wrote: I remember reading an anecdote on here years ago (god knows whether it was true) that once when an LU engineering train stopped at a still open station a few of the passengers tried to get onto the wagons. No doubt just happy to get a seat. Presumably thought they'd missed the last train, and just happy to take any escape route. I recall a story of an angry bloke trying to get himself and his family into the cab of a freight train (or light?) locomotive at I think Wandsworth Rd station, which seems bizarre enough to be true. Some people are clearly far too stupid to be allowed to travel. |
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"Recliner" wrote: wrote: I remember reading an anecdote on here years ago (god knows whether it was true) that once when an LU engineering train stopped at a still open station a few of the passengers tried to get onto the wagons. No doubt just happy to get a seat. Presumably thought they'd missed the last train, and just happy to take any escape route. I recall a story of an angry bloke trying to get himself and his family into the cab of a freight train (or light?) locomotive at I think Wandsworth Rd station, which seems bizarre enough to be true. I remember a driver who (back in the days before cab passes) gave a lift to a stranded bloke after sizing him up, on his Empty-to-depot that just happened to be passing through the blokes destination station. -- Tim Watts |
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"David Cantrell" wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 06:12:42PM +0100, Mizter T wrote: Refunds can be picked up when travelling from or to any station in London (including NR stations) Oh, that's new since the last time I asked about it. Good. It's been the case ever since Oyster PAYG went live across NR in London in January 2010 - so maybe you asked before then? it's not just TfL stations - though I think some people have suggested there might be a few stations missing from the list? One needs to be making a journey from or to that station, the refund can't just be picked up from a ticket machine. Sucks for people who rarely travel by train, like those who mostly use buses. Yes, though I'd suggest such people are less likely to encounter Oyster charging issues that lead on to refunds being given. |
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wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: Refunds can be picked up when travelling from or to any station in London (including NR stations), it's not just TfL stations - though I think some people have suggested there might be a few stations missing from the list? One needs to be making a journey from or to that station, the refund can't just be picked up from a ticket machine. Refunds can't be collected the same day as they are given because, quaintly, it requires an overnight processing run to make them available for collection. So I was relieved to find when I had the refund last week that they can pay it direct to a bank account now. I'm fairly sure there's always been some alternative way of getting a refund issued, such as via a cheque - perhaps the direct bank transfer is new though. |
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Sucks for people who rarely travel by train, like those who mostly use buses. Yes, though I'd suggest such people are less likely to encounter Oyster charging issues that lead on to refunds being given. How easy is it to claim back when buses are taken out of service? I've had this a couple of times, once with the bus not moving at all from where I boarded, the other where it terminated short and everyone was told to get on a following one - but the subsequent bus driver insisted we had to touch in. (Both times I'd already hit my cap but in other circumstances I'd have wound up paying twice needlessly.) |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote: Mizter T wrote: Sucks for people who rarely travel by train, like those who mostly use buses. Yes, though I'd suggest such people are less likely to encounter Oyster charging issues that lead on to refunds being given. How easy is it to claim back when buses are taken out of service? I've had this a couple of times, once with the bus not moving at all from where I boarded, the other where it terminated short and everyone was told to get on a following one - but the subsequent bus driver insisted we had to touch in. (Both times I'd already hit my cap but in other circumstances I'd have wound up paying twice needlessly.) When a bus is terminated short then passengers should be able to get a transfer ticket from the driver in order to continue their journey on another bus - however these often don't seem to be proffered by the driver without prompting. (On a recent occasion when the bus was terminated short a controller at the bus stop shepherded all the pax on the bus going nowhere across to another bus that had just arrived at the stop, having conversed with the driver.) Any idea what was going on in the first example you give? |
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... How easy is it to claim back when buses are taken out of service? I've had this a couple of times, once with the bus not moving at all from where I boarded, the other where it terminated short and everyone was told to get on a following one - but the subsequent bus driver insisted we had to touch in. That's because the driver of the bus you get turfed off is supposed to give you a transfer ticket isn't it? If he doesn't bother, or someone doesn't stick around for one, what's the solution then? Paul S |
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, (solar penguin) wrote: wrote: In article , (Mizter T) wrote: The Oyster maximum journey time limits are fairly generous - I wouldn't generally expect a 'normal' delay on the Tube (of say 20 mins or whatever) to bust them. Not that generous if you remember the discussion about a journey from King Cross to Putney via Highbury & Islington, Willesden Junction and Clapham Junction. :-) Why on earth would they want to go that way? Victoria Line to Oxford Circus, Bakerloo to Waterloo, then SWT would be a lot quicker. It was pleasant to experience the new ELL, NLL and WLL trains and services. I couldn't have taken your suggested route anyway as I had a bike with me. I suspect you missed a thread on this a week or two ago. By the way, your route isn't the right direct one either. Try Victoria Line to Vauxhall and SWT from there to Putney. (Yes, I know, Putney isn't the sort of place that anyone would hurry to get to, and I can't blame them for wanting to delay reaching there. But even Putney's got to be more pleasant than travelling on the North London Line!) Watch it you! I was brought up in Putney! :-) Though I suppose you must have a point because I was glad to stop living there over 40 years ago. However, my mother still lives there and every good boy visits his mother when he can as I'm sure you know. As she was out at an appointment until lunchtime I was indeed in no hurry to get to my parental home before she did. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 14/07/2011 10:43, John C wrote:
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 13/07/2011 22:58, wrote: I'm not quite sure about that, to be honest. I once saw a YouTube video of an excursion train, I think a 38 stock. The train had come into Camden Town and was holding at the platform for the starter signal, obviously with its doors shut. IIRC, people on the platform were confused about why the train wasn't opening it doors, oblivious to the fact that the rolling stock was completely out of the ordinary. The train itself was probably shorter than usual. Indeed, this happens on a regular basis on the 38TS tours, especially at central London stations (with tourists who may believe that LU still run 75 year old stock on a daily basis). Incidentally, it's also quite common for the 38 stock to be moving along with one of the doors open. Some people are more picky than others. There was a time when the 1845 Cambridge to King's Cross frequently turned out a 317 vice 365. It was viewed with suspicion by the locals who were used to a 365. The same unit then did the 2007 to Peterborough. The commuters didn't bat an eyelid and piled on. Another anecdote, when the EPB farewell tour was at Redhill platform 2 the locals assumed it was going to Victoria. In fact when the same tour stopped at London Bridge en route to Charing Cross several passengers did get on. A while back I was on that old EMU which used to come out to play on the Great Eastern, and the staff were struggling to convince passengers it was a real service and they wouldn't have to pay extra for it. I did a nostalgia train in Hungary which appeared to be a normal-ish service, albeit with a steam/gullibility supplement for foreigners. At least people have mostly stopped stepping back at the last minute saying "I need the Thameslink, but this says FCC on the side". -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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