Visibility of next stations
 

On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote:
Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at
Fishersgate.

From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of
Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the
platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations
reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it
is little better than average now.

There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible
- indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone.
However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I
can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring
stations are visible.

So, any other examples?

I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station,
probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way
through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I
could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a
train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably
the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the
North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see
West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal?

Martin L

If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

Visibility of next stations
 

On Jul 26, 11:18*pm, "
wrote:
On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:





On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris *wrote:
Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at
Fishersgate.

*From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of
Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the
platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations
reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it
is little better than average now.

There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible
- indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone.
However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I
can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring
stations are visible.

So, any other examples?

I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station,
probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way
through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I
could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a
train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably
the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& *Froghal on the
North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see
West Hampstead from Finchley Road& *Frognal?

Martin L

If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Visibility of next stations
 

On Jul 26, 11:18*pm, "
wrote:
On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:





On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris *wrote:
Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at
Fishersgate.

*From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of
Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the
platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations
reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it
is little better than average now.

There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible
- indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone.
However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I
can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring
stations are visible.

So, any other examples?

I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station,
probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way
through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I
could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a
train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably
the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& *Froghal on the
North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see
West Hampstead from Finchley Road& *Frognal?

Martin L

If we're talking about LU,

I wasn't - I was referring to the North London Line, which isn't part
of the Underground - but is now part of London Overground.

Speaking of which, as it's no longer part of LU can we now include the
East London Line in this discussion, and if so does it have any
possibilties? Wapping, Rotherhithe, Canada Water and Surrey Quays are
all pretty close but I don't know how straight or level the tunnels
are.

Martin L

Visibility of next stations
 

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
1506 wrote:
If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a
simple way to save energy.

B2003

Visibility of next stations
 

On 27/07/11 14:04, d wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:
If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a
simple way to save energy.

B2003

Unfortunately the modern way is to get 'new blood' which means that
previous good practice, lessons learnt, or even basic skills are forgotten.

Roger

Visibility of next stations
 

Although there is a gradient on the Central, you can see Holborn from
Chancery Lane (EB) Albeit by ducking slightly...



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On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote:
Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at
Fishersgate.

From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of
Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the
platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations
reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it
is little better than average now.

There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible
- indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone.
However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I
can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring
stations are visible.

So, any other examples?

I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station,
probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way
through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I
could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a
train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably
the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the
North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see
West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal?

Martin L

If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

Visibility of next stations
 

In article ,
none "" wrote:
On 27/07/11 14:04, d wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:
No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a
simple way to save energy.

Unfortunately the modern way is to get 'new blood' which means that
previous good practice, lessons learnt, or even basic skills are forgotten.

I think you'll find that these principles are adhered to, even on
new built lines, where it is possible.

Trouble is, these days there are more underground obstructions -
not least other underground railways - and this means that in order
to get from A to B, you have to thread your way past foundations
for tall buildings, and other underground railways.

This makes it harder to achieve the "underground hill" effect -
although I note that if the diagram on
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/ is correct, almost all
Crossrail stations will be on a hump.

Cheers,

--
Mike Bristow

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On Jul 27, 2:04*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)

1506 wrote:
If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. *It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. *The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a
simple way to save energy.

My memory of using the Victoria Line regularly (admittedly quite a
long time ago) is that most stations on the line do conform to this
system, but that there are exceptions - in particular where the
constraints of providing cross-platform interchange and/or crossing
over/under other lines made it tricky.

Martin L

Visibility of next stations
 

On 27/07/2011 17:16, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 27, 2:04 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)

wrote:
If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?

No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving
them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and
braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground
hills"

Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a
simple way to save energy.

My memory of using the Victoria Line regularly (admittedly quite a
long time ago) is that most stations on the line do conform to this
system, but that there are exceptions - in particular where the
constraints of providing cross-platform interchange and/or crossing
over/under other lines made it tricky.

Martin L

Except on the southbound track on the Victoria line at KXSP, where the
train comes off a great big hill just before it enters the station. The
same goes for the Piccadilly.

Visibility of next stations
 

On 27/07/2011 14:53, wrote:
Although there is a gradient on the Central, you can see Holborn from
Chancery Lane (EB) Albeit by ducking slightly...



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On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote:
Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at
Fishersgate.

From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of
Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the
platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations
reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it
is little better than average now.

There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible
- indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone.
However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I
can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring
stations are visible.

So, any other examples?

I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station,
probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way
through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I
could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a
train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably
the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the
North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see
West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal?

Martin L

If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham
Court Road, eastbound?


That's what I said. I mean, you can at least see a waiting train's
headlights at Oxford Circus whilst waiting at the west end of an
esatbound platform at TCR.

Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where
two stations are easily visible from other?