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why are the new Victoria and trains so slow?
Just my observation, the new victoria line trains seem to crawl to the
next station wait for an eternity then crawl off again. This has happened on the last 3 times I have used this line. The old trains seemed to have much faster journey times with more comfortable seats. Also on the met line the new train goes at a snails pace. The journey from baker street to Wembley park was painfully slow. Why is this? |
why are the new Victoria and trains so slow?
"GSV 3 minds in a can" wrote: Just my observation, the new victoria line trains seem to crawl to the next station wait for an eternity then crawl off again. This has happened on the last 3 times I have used this line. The old trains seemed to have much faster journey times with more comfortable seats. Also on the met line the new train goes at a snails pace. The journey from baker street to Wembley park was painfully slow. Why is this? The Victoria line is still on the old signalling system - things will speed up when the new system goes live (and the new trains are unleashed). However the new 09 stock trains at present are not any slower than the old 67 stock trains - just sounds as though you got a bit unlucky in getting caught up in some congestion (of the sort that should hopefully not happen, at least not so much, with the new signalling system). The Met line again is still on the old signalling system (elements of which are *really* old) - the new system is coming, but still some way down the pipeline. The performance of both sets of new stock is (UIVMM) superior to the old stock it has replaced / is replacing - it's just all about the new signalling systems being in place to support that superior performance. |
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:19:01 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote: The performance of both sets of new stock is (UIVMM) superior to the old stock it has replaced / is replacing - it's just all about the new signalling systems being in place to support that superior performance. Just out of interest, does anyone know if these new stocks get superior performance from the same amount of electricity or are they just sucking up more of the stuff? B2003 |
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... On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:53:12 -0500 wrote: It rather depends how you count the introduction of regenerative braking, surely? I was assuming without. The effectiveness of regenerative braking varies anyway , plus I don't understand how it can work well on the tube with all the seperate sections of traction supply the lines have. Surely it will only work if theres another train fairly close by? Not necessarily. I understand one of the prerequisites for the introduction of regenerative braking on the Central Line was a requirement to replace older motors in escalators at stations. They share their supply with the traction and needed to be able to handle the greater variations in supply voltage. -- DAS |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:21:06 +0100
"D A Stocks" wrote: Not necessarily. I understand one of the prerequisites for the introduction of regenerative braking on the Central Line was a requirement to replace older motors in escalators at stations. They share their supply with the traction and needed to be able to handle the greater variations in supply voltage. Does that mean the escalators speed up slightly when a train brakes into a station? :) Seems a good idea - get the passengers from the last train out of the station quicker! B2003 |
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2011, D A Stocks remarked: I understand one of the prerequisites for the introduction of regenerative braking on the Central Line was a requirement to replace older motors in escalators at stations. They share their supply with the traction and needed to be able to handle the greater variations in supply voltage. That's quite interesting. I've been at a couple of National Rail stations (one SWT, one FCC) where the power had failed to the station itself, but remained in place for the trains. Neither had escalators. -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:47:22 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:54:29 on Tue, 9 Aug 2011, d remarked: I understand one of the prerequisites for the introduction of regenerative braking on the Central Line was a requirement to replace older motors in escalators at stations. They share their supply with the traction and needed to be able to handle the greater variations in supply voltage. Does that mean the escalators speed up slightly when a train brakes into a station? :) Seems a good idea - get the passengers from the last train out of the station quicker! Hopefully they stay the same speed, but don't draw as much "external" power for a few seconds. Ah pity. I had images of a couple of particularly full trains pulling into a station at the same time and people being flung off the top of the escalator over the ticket barriers :) B2003 |
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wrote: On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:47:22 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:54:29 on Tue, 9 Aug 2011, d remarked: I understand one of the prerequisites for the introduction of regenerative braking on the Central Line was a requirement to replace older motors in escalators at stations. They share their supply with the traction and needed to be able to handle the greater variations in supply voltage. Does that mean the escalators speed up slightly when a train brakes into a station? :) Seems a good idea - get the passengers from the last train out of the station quicker! Hopefully they stay the same speed, but don't draw as much "external" power for a few seconds. Ah pity. I had images of a couple of particularly full trains pulling into a station at the same time and people being flung off the top of the escalator over the ticket barriers :) Did anyone else here ever stand on the platform at Essex Road in Northern City Line days? The platform lights were fed from the traction supply so dimmed sharply when a train started away. Of course the platform was empty at that point as the passengers had all got on the departing train but we were changing directions there on the Underground trip in 1970. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:46:11 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: That's quite interesting. I've been at a couple of National Rail stations (one SWT, one FCC) where the power had failed to the station itself, but remained in place for the trains. Neither had escalators. Unlike NR, LUL once had dedicated generating capacity, so it kind-of makes sense. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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I have a couple of questions about the external lights on the '09 stock.
A few weeks ago, I saw a disabled '09 train limp into a station. Just above the right headlight (driver's side), there was a red light that was flashing. Anybody know what that light's for? I would assume that it is a newer version of the handbrake light, but the fact that it was flashing makes me wonder. I also wanted to know something about the guard lights mounted on the side of each railcar, which can display red and white in two different lenses. I know that red will indicate if a door is open. But what does the white one indicate, that the alarm in that particular railcar was activated? |
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why are the new Victoria and trains so slow?
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(Neil Williams) wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:46:19 -0500, wrote: Even the present NR had generating capacity at one time. It was decided that the National Grid would be better value. It's hard to see that they were wrong. Perhaps the difference is that stations on the mainline had electric lighting long before the wires went up, unlike the deep Tube. I wouldn't be so sure of that. I remember lots of stations with only oil or gas lighting. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In ual.net, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:46:19 -0500, wrote: Even the present NR had generating capacity at one time. It was decided that the National Grid would be better value. It's hard to see that they were wrong. Perhaps the difference is that stations on the mainline had electric lighting long before the wires went up, unlike the deep Tube. I wouldn't be so sure of that. I remember lots of stations with only oil or gas lighting. Yes, I well remember in the 1950s waiting on the Catford down platform for the 16:12 home from school and watching the porter walking up the platform lighting each gas lamp. This was at least 25 years after the line had been electrified, but such mod cons hadn't reached the stations. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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: Yes, I well remember in the 1950s waiting on the Catford down platform for the 16:12 home from school and watching the porter walking up the platform lighting each gas lamp. This was at least 25 years after the line had been electrified, but such mod cons hadn't reached the stations. When I moved to Surrey in 1980 some of the trains (4-SUBs?) still had paraffin tail lights, despite being electric trains running on a line that had been electrified some 50 years earlier. I guessed at the time it might have been because they shared track with diesel (and earlier, steam) trains, and if the power failed the oil lamps kept burning to warn non-electric trains they were there. Or was there another reason? Peter -- || Peter CS | Epsom | UK || |
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wrote: I wouldn't be so sure of that. I remember lots of stations with only oil or gas lighting. Yes, I well remember in the 1950s waiting on the Catford down platform for the 16:12 home from school and watching the porter walking up the platform lighting each gas lamp. This was at least 25 years after the line had been electrified, but such mod cons hadn't reached the stations. Adrian Vaughan writes of the modernisation of Uffington signal box. The new box had track circuits and an illuminated display, but the box had no electric lighting, just a Tilley lamp. However, one of the signalmen was the local union rep. and soon got that altered! -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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@londonbanter.co.uk says... ;121904 Wrote: Did anyone else here ever stand on the platform at Essex Road in Northern City Line days? The platform lights were fed from the traction supply so dimmed sharply when a train started away. Of course the platform was empty at that point as the passengers had all got on the departing train but we were changing directions there on the Underground trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel I did occasionally use Essex Road Station in those days. I didn't pay attention to esoteric details such as lights dimming but I do remember vividly that the entire line seemed dingy and run down and that all the stations had poor lighting. The line was definitely the poor relation of the London Underground family. -- Robin9 In the late fifties I recall, as you say, lighting was poor and the tiling was pretty grim as well. Then, Essex Road platforms had diamond-shaped roundels and included Canonbury in the wording. |
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On 13/08/2011 10:08, Robin9 wrote:
;121904 Wrote: Did anyone else here ever stand on the platform at Essex Road in Northern City Line days? The platform lights were fed from the traction supply so dimmed sharply when a train started away. Of course the platform was empty at that point as the passengers had all got on the departing train but we were changing directions there on the Underground trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel I did occasionally use Essex Road Station in those days. I didn't pay attention to esoteric details such as lights dimming but I do remember vividly that the entire line seemed dingy and run down and that all the stations had poor lighting. The line was definitely the poor relation of the London Underground family. What plans exist now for the Northern City Line? |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:26:34 -0500,
wrote: In article , (Robin9) wrote: trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel Robin9 Is there something wrong with your newsreader? This is all I can see of your post. If you can't see the four-and-a-half line paragraph that Robin9 wrote doesn't that mean there is something wrong at your end? -- Roger |
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lid (Roger) wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:26:34 -0500, wrote: In article , (Robin9) wrote: trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel Robin9 Is there something wrong with your newsreader? This is all I can see of your post. If you can't see the four-and-a-half line paragraph that Robin9 wrote doesn't that mean there is something wrong at your end? I can see the raw text that reached my newsfeed and what I quoted is all there is. It seems to be something about Robin's news arrangements because I've seen the effect before and only with his postings. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In , lid (Roger) wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:26:34 -0500, wrote: In , (Robin9) wrote: trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel Robin9 Is there something wrong with your newsreader? This is all I can see of yourpost. If you can't see the four-and-a-half line paragraph that Robin9 wrote doesn't that mean there is something wrong at your end? I can see the raw text that reached my newsfeed and what I quoted is all there is. It seems to be something about Robin's news arrangements because I've seen the effect before and only with his postings. Maybe it's some sort of interaction problem between his outgoing newsfeed and your incoming newsfeed. My news server (Virgin Media) has received his complete post, as has LondonBanter.co.uk and Google Groups. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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(Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 13 August 2011 18:06:42 ... In , lid (Roger) wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:26:34 -0500, wrote: In , (Robin9) wrote: trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel Robin9 Is there something wrong with your newsreader? This is all I can see of yourpost. If you can't see the four-and-a-half line paragraph that Robin9 wrote doesn't that mean there is something wrong at your end? I can see the raw text that reached my newsfeed and what I quoted is all there is. It seems to be something about Robin's news arrangements because I've seen the effect before and only with his postings. Maybe it's some sort of interaction problem between his outgoing newsfeed and your incoming newsfeed. My news server (Virgin Media) has received his complete post, as has LondonBanter.co.uk and Google Groups. My news comes via Giganews, hardly a two bit outfit. As I said, it's only Robin's messages. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 13 August 2011 18:06:42 ... In , lid (Roger) wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:26:34 -0500, wrote: In , (Robin9) wrote: trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel Robin9 Is there something wrong with your newsreader? This is all I can see of yourpost. If you can't see the four-and-a-half line paragraph that Robin9 wrote doesn't that mean there is something wrong at your end? I can see the raw text that reached my newsfeed and what I quoted is all there is. It seems to be something about Robin's news arrangements because I've seen the effect before and only with his postings. Maybe it's some sort of interaction problem between his outgoing newsfeed and your incoming newsfeed. My news server (Virgin Media) has received his complete post, as has LondonBanter.co.uk and Google Groups. My news comes via Giganews, hardly a two bit outfit. As I said, it's only Robin's messages. So does mine and I see the whole message. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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In article , (Clive D. W. Feather) wrote: In message , wrote: [...] Same problem again. Not a lot there! You seem to be the only one experiencing it. Am I the only one here using Giganews? No, I use Giganews too, and see the full messages. The problem would appear to be at your end. |
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(Recliner) wrote: wrote in message In article , (Clive D. W. Feather) wrote: In message , wrote: [...] Same problem again. Not a lot there! You seem to be the only one experiencing it. Am I the only one here using Giganews? No, I use Giganews too, and see the full messages. The problem would appear to be at your end. Very strange. Can you or Eric copy the whole of his last post including headers to me by email please and I'll contact my ISP. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Eric) wrote:
On 2011-08-13, wrote: In article , (Clive D. W. Feather) wrote: In message , wrote: [...] Same problem again. Not a lot there! You seem to be the only one experiencing it. Am I the only one here using Giganews? No, but you do seem to be the only one using Ameol. Maybe true (I can think of one other possible user here) but I'm looking at the raw messages which shouldn't be affected by the newsreader. Anyway, why are Robin's the only Usenet posts in several groups giving me this problem? That's the mystery. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Eric) wrote: On 2011-08-13, wrote: In article , (Clive D. W. Feather) wrote: In message , wrote: [...] Same problem again. Not a lot there! You seem to be the only one experiencing it. Am I the only one here using Giganews? No, but you do seem to be the only one using Ameol. Maybe true (I can think of one other possible user here) but I'm looking at the raw messages which shouldn't be affected by the newsreader. Anyway, why are Robin's the only Usenet posts in several groups giving me this problem? That's the mystery. Here's the full details of the post you first complained about: Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsf eed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news .glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.n ntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp .dca.giganews.com!nntp.newsgroupbanter.com!news.ne wsgroupbanter.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 04:30:48 -0500 From: Robin9 Newsgroups: uk.transport.london Subject: why are the new Victoria and trains so slow? Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:08:18 +0100 Message-ID: Organization: LondonBanter User-Agent: X-Newsreader: X-Originating-IP: 86.21.85.73 References: Lines: 20 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-GXrAmc7y//FCoq2O4bHaf0mLeFhyzB7mLQFNtFOg9H5dKqmZsHvWHbQNeuCB F1JtfPw2y+WZMgV65O2!Uwzu07RVCYnsxn2MiDcM7yHTtUP7Uc/mcyW8XPfqd0kby9s4xec7QkXDYuh7mvn+uhbmdutO1fEy!CtS5 BCrK X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Lines: 4 X-Original-Bytes: 1810 Bytes: 2124 ;121904 Wrote: Did anyone else here ever stand on the platform at Essex Road in Northern City Line days? The platform lights were fed from the traction supply so dimmed sharply when a train started away. Of course the platform was empty at that point as the passengers had all got on the departing train but we were changing directions there on the Underground trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel I did occasionally use Essex Road Station in those days. I didn't pay attention to esoteric details such as lights dimming but I do remember vividly that the entire line seemed dingy and run down and that all the stations had poor lighting. The line was definitely the poor relation of the London Underground family. -- Robin9 |
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(Recliner) wrote: wrote in message In article , (Eric) wrote: On 2011-08-13, wrote: In article , (Clive D. W. Feather) wrote: In message , wrote: [...] Same problem again. Not a lot there! You seem to be the only one experiencing it. Am I the only one here using Giganews? No, but you do seem to be the only one using Ameol. Maybe true (I can think of one other possible user here) but I'm looking at the raw messages which shouldn't be affected by the newsreader. Anyway, why are Robin's the only Usenet posts in several groups giving me this problem? That's the mystery. Here's the full details of the post you first complained about: Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsf eed.xs4all.nl!newsfe ed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.glorb.com!border3.n ntp.dca.giganews.com !border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!l ocal2.nntp.dca.gigan ews.com!nntp.newsgroupbanter.com!news.newsgroupban ter.com.POSTED!not-f or-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 04:30:48 -0500 From: Robin9 Newsgroups: uk.transport.london Subject: why are the new Victoria and trains so slow? Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:08:18 +0100 Message-ID: Organization: LondonBanter User-Agent: X-Newsreader: X-Originating-IP: 86.21.85.73 References: Lines: 20 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-GXrAmc7y//FCoq2O4bHaf0mLeFhyzB7mLQFNtFOg9H5dKqmZsHvWHbQNeuCB F1JtfP w2y+WZMgV65O2!Uwzu07RVCYnsxn2MiDcM7yHTtUP7Uc/mcyW8XPfqd0kby9s4xec7QkXD Yuh7mvn+uhbmdutO1fEy!CtS5BCrK X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Lines: 4 X-Original-Bytes: 1810 Bytes: 2124 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com uk.transport.london:260980 ;121904 Wrote: Did anyone else here ever stand on the platform at Essex Road in Northern City Line days? The platform lights were fed from the traction supply so dimmed sharply when a train started away. Of course the platform was empty at that point as the passengers had all got on the departing train but we were changing directions there on the Underground trip in 1970. Colin Rosenstiel I did occasionally use Essex Road Station in those days. I didn't pay attention to esoteric details such as lights dimming but I do remember vividly that the entire line seemed dingy and run down and that all the stations had poor lighting. The line was definitely the poor relation of the London Underground family. -- Robin9 Thanks. I did in fact see that text in Jim's response to it. Eric kindly sent me one message as he received it via Giganews. The weird bit is that the path details are identical for him and me so it's definitely a problem at my ISP. I'm waiting for a response from them now. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Recliner) wrote: Thanks. I did in fact see that text in Jim's response to it. Eric kindly sent me one message as he received it via Giganews. The weird bit is that the path details are identical for him and me so it's definitely a problem at my ISP. I'm waiting for a response from them now. I thought it was the headers you were interested in? |
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