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On 26/08/2011 18:28, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/08/11 18:13, Roger Traviss wrote: Is that a deity joke? Allah be here all week, folks. God forbid! That's the holy spirit! Amen! -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 26/08/2011 10:56, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/08/11 10:13, d wrote: So whats your solution then? Swing the pendulum so far the other way that it alienates white heterosexuals? You got any evidence that white heterosexuals as a group feel alienated by tolerance of others? The comments section of the Daily Mail website? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 26/08/11 19:08, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 26/08/2011 11:19, d wrote: (what religion would that be - the one where you laze around and do bugger all 24/7?). Hmm, this sounds rather more interesting than all the religions which obsess over sex or booze or bacon butties. Why weren't we offered that one instead of school assembly? I think he must be talking about christianity. "Lazing around and doing bugger all 24/7" is more or less a job description for contemplative orders of monks and nuns. Ian |
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On 26/08/11 19:06, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 26/08/2011 10:56, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 10:13, d wrote: So whats your solution then? Swing the pendulum so far the other way that it alienates white heterosexuals? You got any evidence that white heterosexuals as a group feel alienated by tolerance of others? The comments section of the Daily Mail website? Indeed. Full of victims. Ian |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:06:06 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote: On 26/08/2011 10:56, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 10:13, d wrote: So whats your solution then? Swing the pendulum so far the other way that it alienates white heterosexuals? You got any evidence that white heterosexuals as a group feel alienated by tolerance of others? The comments section of the Daily Mail website? It does make me laugh how people still think implying someone is a Daily Mail is some kind of knock out punch. As if those limp wristed apologist rags The Guardian and Observer are bastions of rational considered thought and opinion. Most of the lentil munching journalists there wouldn't recognise rationality if it kicked them in their organic nuts. B2003 |
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On 26/08/2011 19:47, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/08/11 19:08, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 26/08/2011 11:19, d wrote: (what religion would that be - the one where you laze around and do bugger all 24/7?). Hmm, this sounds rather more interesting than all the religions which obsess over sex or booze or bacon butties. Why weren't we offered that one instead of school assembly? I think he must be talking about christianity. "Lazing around and doing bugger all 24/7" is more or less a job description for contemplative orders of monks and nuns. Along with all that Belgian-style beer. So maybe I shouldn't have spent so much time at school Asking Silly Questions about dinosaurs and carbon dating. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:31 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 19:58, d wrote: It does make me laugh how people still think implying someone is a Daily Mail is some kind of knock out punch. ... limp wristed apologist rags ... lentil munching journalists ... You're certain providing a great example of calm, considered rationality. Considering what I really think about the guardian and the sort of people who read it I felt those comments were pretty reserved. B2003 |
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On 26/08/11 20:51, Arthur Figgis wrote:
Is the Guardian actually written (rather than read) by lentil-munchers? On the admittedly rather small sample of a bloke I once a met on a Eurostar and someone I knew at university, the Daily Mail isn't written (entirely?) by foaming-at-the-mouth loonies in black shirts. The Guardian is written by posh ex-public school types - and, of course, their children. If there is one thing the Guardian does better than dobbing in their sources, it's nepotism. Here's the traditional list. You're not allowed to post it on the Guardian's forums. Editor Alan Rusbridger (Cranleigh); political editor Patrick Wintour (Westminster); leader writer Madeleine Bunting (Queen Mary’s, Yorkshire); policy editor Jonathan Freedland (University College School); columnist Polly Toynbee (Badminton); executive editor Ian Katz (University College School); security affairs editor Richard Norton Taylor (King’s School, Canterbury); arts editor-in-chief Clare Margetson (Marlborough College); literary editor Clare Armitstead (Bedales); public services editor David Brindle (Bablake); city editor Julia Finch (King’s High, Warwick).; environment editor John Vidal (St Bees); fashion editor Jess Cartner-Morley (City of london School for Girls); G3 editor Janine Gibson (Walthamstow Hall); northern editor Martin Wainwright (Shreswbury); and industrial editor David Gow (St Peter’s, York); Seumas Milne, an Old Wykehamist (Winchester College) and at Balliol; the Observer’s Andrew Rawnsley (Rugby School and Cambridge U); George Monbiot (Stowe); Zoe Williams (Godolphin and Latymer) (From http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2008/05...ivate-schools/) Ian |
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In message , Arthur
Figgis wrote: If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime. What happens if she believes it was because she is homosexual, but the mugger disagrees? What standard of proof is needed? Since we're talking criminal law, "beyond all reasonable doubt". IANAL, but I'm slightly uncomfortable with some classes of victims being told their incident is "just" a crime. I didn't mean "just" in that sense, only in the grammatical sense. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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Is that a deity joke?
Allah be here all week, folks. God forbid! That's the holy spirit! Saints preserve us! -- Cheers Roger Traviss Photos of the late GER: - http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ For more photos not in the above album and kitbashes etc..:- http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...Great_Eastern/ |
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Is that a deity joke?
Allah be here all week, folks. God forbid! That's the holy spirit! Amen! Or, in this PC world, "Awoman!" or probably more correctly, "Aperson"! -- Cheers Roger Traviss Photos of the late GER: - http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ For more photos not in the above album and kitbashes etc..:- http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...Great_Eastern/ |
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And why should they be protected for being offended? How far should we
take any "right" not be offended - banning Class 66s, models of the Great Western Railway or looking at Middlesbrough? You have a good case for all of the above, especially the GWR. -- Cheers Roger Traviss Photos of the late GER: - http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ For more photos not in the above album and kitbashes etc..:- http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...Great_Eastern/ |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:44:43 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote: On Aug 26, 4:31*am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 12:28, 1506 wrote: Moreover terrorism is an act of war which demands a swift, firm, military response. *Describing it as a crime and involving the courts is a big mistake. *IMHO we have spent the past ten years being far too soft in this regard. Yeah, it worked sooooo well in Norn Iron, didn't it? Northern Ireland is not the Middle East. You mean there aren't any troubles involving populations imported from elsewhere ? Don't these pernickety, politically correct, lefties get to be irritating? *I am about ready to kill file the doc. *Debating him is like nailing jelly to a tree. Diddums. Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:16:17 -0700, "Roger Traviss"
wrote: If I am mugged it is a crime. If a homosexual is mugged it is a hate crime. Er, and what if someone is "mugged" simply because one is "perceived to be Queer". No, in both cases, no matter what the reason for the assault, it's still an "assault" and should NOT be tagged one way or the other. Yes, assaulting someone because of their perceived sexuality is wrong but so is assaulting somebody because they are wearing the "wrong" hockey club sweater, or look different, or are the "wrong" religion or the "wrong ethnic group or the wrong whatever. One assault is no more serious than the other. It's still an assault and any assault, no matter the motivation, should be punished equally. Er, unfortunately, your "hetero-view" of the world doesn't quite work out so nicely and neatly. Anyone "of colour" will confirm the reality of life. And no, no, don't say we're all (Gays/Blacks/others) whingeing. It happens day in, day out. A study released in Metro Vancouver just today (Fri 26 Aug) shows Gay couples and single parents are discriminated against "simply because..." in the rental housing field. |
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Who gives a flying **** Someone who's joined the 'mile-high club', presumably! what you personally think about veiled women? Do you have the same antipathy to veiled nuns, who do at least still leave their faces exposed. Envo |
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Once upon a time, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 26/08/11 12:48, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 4:20 am, The Real wrote: Why would I want to do that? You're the one who like blasphemy. Oh silly me, Islam is politically correct, Judaism and Christianity are not. Consistent as always, you lefties. Who said I liked blasphemy? I only said it was a good thing we didn't prosecute people for it any more. Since you don't like the idea of thought crimes, I thought you'd agree. As far as Christianity, Judaism and Islam go ... well, I'm with Marcus Brigstocke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42p2SO5wQag Brilliant! Thanks for posting that. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:51:28 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote: I suspect most of the Mail and Guardian journalists could switch papers and re-slant their stories to suit the different audience with ease. Yes, I'll give you that. I was thinking more of columnists like Toynbee and Burchill rather than the day to day journos. B2003 |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:34:24 -0700
Nobody wrote: Anyone "of colour" will confirm the reality of life. And no, no, Yes , its all nasty white people against poor people "of colour" (whatever the **** that means - if I get a tan am I a person of colour?). I suppose it must have been evil whites who forced Idi Amin to expell all indians from uganda so we could give them asylum in the UK. For example. I could give you a dozen others if you're interested in reality rather than the orthodox right-on view of the world. B2003 |
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On 2011\08\26 20:51, Arthur Figgis wrote:
I suspect most of the Mail and Guardian journalists could switch papers and re-slant their stories to suit the different audience with ease. Melanie Phillips did just such a switch, although switching from left to right with increasing age is probably normal, as Churchill suggested. |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:03:47 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: On 2011\08\26 20:51, Arthur Figgis wrote: I suspect most of the Mail and Guardian journalists could switch papers and re-slant their stories to suit the different audience with ease. Melanie Phillips did just such a switch, although switching from left to right with increasing age is probably normal, as Churchill suggested. Not surprising really. The older you get the more you see how the world really works and gain a better understanding of human nature and peoples real motivations. Idealism rarely survives a long term encounter with life. B2003 |
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Once upon a time, d wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:56:50 +0100 The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 11:01, d wrote: On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:31:19 -0700 (PDT) wrote: But, why, I ask was the guys horrible death worse because he was homosexual? Would you or I not have felt the blows just as much? For some people it seems that suffering for what you are is a worse fate than suffering for what you have. Presumably because you can change the latter but not the former. Personally I think its a just a convenient soapbox for self styled activists (ie people who make a lot of noise) who get off on self righteous indignation to jump up and down and bang their drum. If Mr Shepherd had been killed by a couple of thugs who didn't like him, or his clothes, that would have been dreadful but individual. By killing him for what he was, they were also threatening other gay men, and it's that threat which merited further punishment. So if they'd killed him because they didn't like say his blue shirt then they were threatening everyone who wore blue shirts? Do me a fscking favour. Not so long ago a young woman was savagely beaten to death by a mob in a park in Lancashire, entirely because of what she was wearing - she was a Goth. The SOPHIE campaign was the result. Attacks on people for their dress sense are not unknown, and an attack on someone who identifies themselves as belonging to any given group does put others of the same group in fear. Suppose a serial killer started to kill people, and it was eventually proven that the only common link between the murders was that all the victims had been active posters on uk.railway. Wouldn't you find that a little bit alarming, assuming you'd not yet been one of the victims and the killer was still at large? I certainly would. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Charles Ellson wrote
a Union that has State Churches, to wit the Episcopalians in England and Northern Ireland, and the Presbyterians in Scotland. There is no state church in Scotland and the Church of Ireland was disestablished in 1869. What's your reasoning here ? The Church of Scotland is just as "by law established" as the Church of England if more independent inasmuch as they won't let parliament mess with their doctrine. -- Mike D |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
Moreover terrorism is an act of war which demands a swift, firm, military response. Describing it as a crime and involving the courts is a big mistake. IMHO we have spent the past ten years being far too soft in this regard. How on earth do you take decisive military action against a terrorist group? By their very nature they are covert, hidden in ordinary populations. If decisive action was easy then the US wouldn't have spent most of the last 10 years hunting Osama Bin Laden, they'd just have bombed his headquarters. The problem was they didn't know where he was, and bombing other countries at random tend to make the people doing it unpopular. Do you really think the correct British response to the terrorist atrocities of the IRA would have been to start carpet-bombing Dublin? Or killing every living thing in Northern Ireland with nuclear weapons, just to be sure we got the terrorists? What about ones who lived in the Republic, or should we have annihilated everyone there too? "Retire to the mothership and nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" doesn't really work unless you actually want to commit genocide. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 26, 5:03*am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. You think only gay people are bothered about gay rights? In that case you're mistaken, a great many heterosexual and asexual people also care deeply about freedom, equality, and justice for all. You don't have to be black to know that apartheid was evil, you don't have to be Christian to know that having people thrown to lions or set on fire because they worship a different god from you is evil, you don't have to be Jewish to know that the Holocaust was evil[1], and you don't have to be gay to realise that discriminating against people on the basis of their sexuality is also evil. People are people, and come in many different flavours. As long as no-one is forcing themselves on others against their will, what does it matter who they fall in love with, or marry, or set up home with? [1] Note this is a legitimate point in this particular debate, therefore Goodwin's law does not apply. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 26, 5:26*am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 13:15, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 5:03 am, The Real *wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. Ah, you think that only gay people would care about gay people being tortured to death. Well, that certainly fits with the rest of your contributions to this thread. Who is torturing bright and cheerful people to death? Language changes. We've had to learn to put up with abominations like burglarize and 'train station', so I'm afraid you'll have to accept that "gay" stopped having "bright and cheerful" as its primary meaning almost half a century ago. Check any major dictionary and you'll find the homosexual (esp male homosexual) is now the main usage of the word in the English language. Good manners also behoves us to refer to people and groups of people as they prefer to be addressed, and most gay people seem to prefer the word gay to the word homosexual, possibly because gay is seen as encompassing the whole lifestyle, culture, and romantic side of the gay experience, whereas homosexual is really a technical definition of a particular set of sexual behaviour. A gay couple can walk hand in hand without it meaning anything more than saying "I love you" to each other. Doesn't have to be about sex. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), 1506 wrote in misc.transport.urban-transit: On Aug 26, 5:26*am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 13:15, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 5:03 am, The Real *wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. Ah, you think that only gay people would care about gay people being tortured to death. Well, that certainly fits with the rest of your contributions to this thread. Who is torturing bright and cheerful people to death? Europop singers? Isn't that impossibly bright and cheerful people attempting to torture the rest of us to death (or possibly insanity) through music? :) -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:28*am, MB wrote: On 26/08/2011 12:28, 1506 wrote: Moreover terrorism is an act of war which demands a swift, firm, military response. *Describing it as a crime and involving the courts is a big mistake. *IMHO we have spent the past ten years being far too soft in this regard. So instead of trying and imprisoning IRA terrorists we should have bombed Dublin and Boston? You may have read up thread where I said Ireland is not the Middle East. It would have been better for the UK had she withdrawn from Ireland in 1921. Better yet, she could have avoided interfering in her neighbors affairs the the past 750 years. I think you'll find a great many people in Central America, Cuba, Iraq, and the Far East might well say exactly the same thing about the USA in the last 60 years. Or indeed Native North Americans who might wish that certain settlers hadn't invaded and conquered their land 500 years ago. Or Anglo-Saxons who would rather not have been invaded and their lands seized by new Norman lords in 1066. These things happen. Terrorism is never the answer. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, d wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:56:06 +0100 The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 10:13, d wrote: So whats your solution then? Swing the pendulum so far the other way that it alienates white heterosexuals? You got any evidence that white heterosexuals as a group feel alienated by tolerance of others? When that tolerance swings to positive discrimination then yes. And also when that tolerance goes against the public good - ie I have zero tolerance of the muslim women who cover their faces (france had the right idea there) No, France has the wrong idea there. Or at least would be wrong if done here. Banning things, making people carry ID papers, etc, are all European things. One of the things that has always made Britain great is that we practice tolerance and do not randomly ban stuff. "Land of Hope and Glory, mother of the free", and all that. The way to defeat the kind of primitive, middle-eastern culture that wants to keep women veiled and in medieval-style servitude is through thorough and compulsory education of women and girls. It's not that long ago since western women were able to throw off religious and cultural discrimination and demand full equality. Muslim women will follow suit as long as we make sure that they receive a full education. Not far from me is an area which 100 years ago was full of poor Irish immigrants. They built numerous churches, most of which are now little used and some stand abandoned, awaiting redevelopment or ruin. The area is now heavily populated with Muslim immigrants, and they've built themselves a large and spectacular mosque at the top of the hill, complete with minarets and a rather beautiful green dome. 100 years from now, that will also be a largely disused relic, as advancing culture steadily leaves mass religion behind as superstition. or rastas who say that smoking canabis is part of their "religion" (what religion would that be - the one where you laze around and do bugger all 24/7?). I've no problem with those who can afford it lounging around doing nothing 24/7, after all it's in the hope of being able to do it myself that I play the lottery! :-) Cannabis should be legal anyway. It costs more to police than it would to allow (plus the tax revenue we'd make), and TBH I'd rather streets full of cannabis smokers than drunks, weed doesn't generally seem to make people aggressive the way booze does. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
In my professional life I have observed less qualified women promoted, rather than better qualified men. That particular form of "affirmative action" has been fashionable for a while. Not in the UK it wasn't, ISTR the equality acts ban any form of discrimination, negative or positive. I know things were different in the US, one of the Dirty Harry films partly based on that premise, where a female cop with no beat experience is promoted to detective in order to fulfil a mayor's quota. Agree that's a bad way to do it - better to make discrimination illegal, and then make sure the rule is enforced by hammering any company that flouts it with large fines. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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Once upon a time, 1506 wrote:
Until now, in civilized countries, we have tried people for actions not thoughts and speech. Incorrect. Motive and effect has always been a factor, hence why terrorist murders are regarded as worse than general murders. Big Brother has arrived. He arrived with CCTV and his powers are expanding as face recognition is developed. But he has little to do with hate crimes. -- - The Iron Jelloid |
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On 27/08/2011 20:02, The Iron Jelloid wrote:
Once upon a time, wrote: On Aug 26, 5:26 am, The Real wrote: On 26/08/11 13:15, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 5:03 am, The Real wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. Ah, you think that only gay people would care about gay people being tortured to death. Well, that certainly fits with the rest of your contributions to this thread. Who is torturing bright and cheerful people to death? Language changes. We've had to learn to put up with abominations like burglarize and 'train station', Do we put up with "train station"....? so I'm afraid you'll have to accept that "gay" stopped having "bright and cheerful" as its primary meaning almost half a century ago. Check any major dictionary and you'll find the homosexual (esp male homosexual) is now the main usage of the word in the English language. I thought it meant something like "not very good", innit. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 27/08/2011 19:21, The Iron Jelloid wrote:
Suppose a serial killer started to kill people, and it was eventually proven that the only common link between the murders was that all the victims had been active posters on uk.railway. Wouldn't you find that a little bit alarming, assuming you'd not yet been one of the victims and the killer was still at large? I certainly would. You've not noticed the absence of some previously regular posters, then? Mwahahaha. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:03:00 +0100, The Iron Jelloid
wrote in misc.transport.urban-transit: Once upon a time, Free Lunch wrote: On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), 1506 wrote in misc.transport.urban-transit: On Aug 26, 5:26*am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 26/08/11 13:15, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 5:03 am, The Real *wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. Ah, you think that only gay people would care about gay people being tortured to death. Well, that certainly fits with the rest of your contributions to this thread. Who is torturing bright and cheerful people to death? Europop singers? Isn't that impossibly bright and cheerful people attempting to torture the rest of us to death (or possibly insanity) through music? :) Music? |
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On 27 Aug 2011 18:39:49 GMT, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: Charles Ellson wrote a Union that has State Churches, to wit the Episcopalians in England and Northern Ireland, and the Presbyterians in Scotland. There is no state church in Scotland and the Church of Ireland was disestablished in 1869. What's your reasoning here ? The Church of Scotland is just as "by law established" as the Church of England if more independent inasmuch as they won't let parliament mess with their doctrine. The Church of Scotland was not created or "approved" by the law of any government of Scotland or the UK. The Church of Scotland always disclaimed a state connection and this was acknowledged by the government in the Church of Scotland Act 1921, see :- http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/11-12/29 The independence from the state is declared in Articles V and VI in the Schedule to that Act and acknowledged in s.1. "This Church has the inherent right, free from interference by civil authority, but under the safeguards for deliberate action and legislation provided by the Church itself, to frame or adopt its subordinate standards, .........." [beginning of Article V.] Not only will the Kirk not tolerate state interference, the state itself acknowledges it has no business in its government. |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:45:22 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote: On 27/08/2011 20:02, The Iron Jelloid wrote: Once upon a time, wrote: On Aug 26, 5:26 am, The Real wrote: On 26/08/11 13:15, 1506 wrote: On Aug 26, 5:03 am, The Real wrote: On 26/08/11 12:44, 1506 wrote: Before I do killfile you, Are you, or have you ever been a homosexual? Why would that matter? It would go some way to explaining the axe you are grinding. Ah, you think that only gay people would care about gay people being tortured to death. Well, that certainly fits with the rest of your contributions to this thread. Who is torturing bright and cheerful people to death? Language changes. We've had to learn to put up with abominations like burglarize and 'train station', Do we put up with "train station"....? It is something up with which I do not put. so I'm afraid you'll have to accept that "gay" stopped having "bright and cheerful" as its primary meaning almost half a century ago. Check any major dictionary and you'll find the homosexual (esp male homosexual) is now the main usage of the word in the English language. I thought it meant something like "not very good", innit. |
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