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ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
On Sep 30, 5:54*pm, Ian Jackson
wrote: My approach is to ask one member of railway staff and if I don't like the answer to ask another. Right. Not so easy at Finsbury Park (there's two guys who are usually there when I go and mine got the other one involved when I asked for a claim form - he said that he could be a witness that he - the first guy - hadn't been rude so I'm not entirely relaxed about either). I can go into KX though. Lots of people there to chose from. It would be nice if there were a sort of back-stop "we really understand fares" place you could call or go to or somehow contact. I wouldn't mind paying extra either. I'm happy that doing more complex things will require a bit more effort. I just need to know how to apply that effort and where to look. Francis |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
On Sep 30, 9:11*pm, The Gardener wrote:
It's not clear at which station the OP is trying to buy a ticket but I guess, from the references to FGW, that it must be an FGW ticket office. Looking at my out-of-date Avatix program, there are two fares listed: Not London (ie via CBG) and +Any Permitted. The + symbol, of course, allows cross-London transfer by Underground appropriate to the journey being made, so AFAICT travelling via Tottenham Hale and the Victoria Line is permitted. What I wasn't sure about is if + allows you to start (or end) at an underground station. Ie. for the last leg of the journey to be made by underground (at least in theory - of course I'd probably just use my oyster for this bit). How does one deduce that the Victoria Line is "permitted"? Am I right in thinking that because there's a ticket via CBG it must be "Any Permitted"? Whoever the ticket seller is, though, he comes across as being either incompetent or plain contemptuous of his customers and if I were the OP, I would write a strongly-worded letter to the individual's employer describing what happened. I may well do that if I can summon up the energy. I have their name - I forgot to get it so my wife went back and asked the other guy (to avoid further conflict). He told her "its written on his name badge" but was eventually persuaded to give the guy's name which was much shorter. My wife deals a lot with customer service employees so she was deeply unimpressed by it. Thanks for all this useful information. At some point I might brave trying to buy a ticket that does the job. I have a new part-time job that may mean I go to Shelford a few times a month by train, so this is all potentially very useful. Sometimes those journeys might have to be via a break in Cambridge, but that's just me being awkward :-). Francis |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
In message
, at 15:40:42 on Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Francis Davey remarked: What I wasn't sure about is if + allows you to start (or end) at an underground station. Ie. for the last leg of the journey to be made by underground (at least in theory - of course I'd probably just use my oyster for this bit). How does one deduce that the Victoria Line is "permitted"? This was explained in the old "Part A" of the Fares Manual, not to be confused with Section A of the Routing Guide! http://www.atoc.org/about-atoc/rail-...routeing-guide The old Part A is also not supplied with the CD-ROM "Avantix Traveller" available for a tenner from HMSO. I've not found any evidence that it's online at all at the moment, but presumably ticket sellers have access to it in some form. The friendliest ticket seller I found was the one at Meldreth station (but be quick, there are plans to turn it, and many similar, into unmanned stations). Anyway, here's an extract from Part A of Jan 2008 (NFM98 for the geeks) which was the last published in that form online, afaict. "Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via London’ and marked with the symbol + include the cost of transfer across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross-London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail journey being made. Aldgate Finsbury Park Queens Park Amersham Greenwich Richmond Baker Street Highbury & Islington Seven Sisters Balham Kensington Olympia Southwark Bank Kentish Town Stratford Barking King’s Cross/St Tottenham Hale Pancras Blackfriars Lancaster Gate Tower Hill Blackhorse Road Lewisham Upminster Cannon Street Limehouse Vauxhall Charing Cross Liverpool Street Victoria Ealing Broadway London Bridge Walthamstow Ctl Edgware Road Marylebone Waterloo Elephant & Castle Moorgate West Brompton Embankment New Cross Gate West Ham Euston Old Street West Hampstead Euston Square Paddington Wimbledon Farringdon Am I right in thinking that because there's a ticket via CBG it must be "Any Permitted"? There are two options from Finsbury Park to Cambridge: +London[1] and Not-London. Any Permitted just means you can use either/both. The "Not London" is also sold separately, of course. [1] Where the + means "including underground transfers. -- Roland Perry |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
We were about to embark at Dover, when (Roland Perry)
came up to me and whispered: There are two options from Finsbury Park to Cambridge: +London[1] and Not-London. You could always use the CLive Feather Discount, and buy a ticket from Finsbury Park to London Stations... -- Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead Wasting Bandwidth since 1981 ---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ---- |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
In message , at
11:27:00 on Sun, 2 Oct 2011, Paul Cummins remarked: There are two options from Finsbury Park to Cambridge: +London[1] and Not-London. You could always use the CLive Feather Discount, and buy a ticket from Finsbury Park to London Stations... That was an alleged bug in the v1.0 routing guide. Today's routing guide says the only map to use for such a ticket is EE (initially I suppose it may have said WA[1]), which reveals just two mapped routes (which are also direct trains, so the map isn't adding anything) to Kings Cross and Moorgate. [1] You can understand how that might have happened, WA is in other respects a much more logical map to choose than what's in effect "secondary ways to get from London to the North East". -- Roland Perry |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
On Oct 2, 8:33Â*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:40:42 on Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Francis Davey remarked: What I wasn't sure about is if + allows you to start (or end) at an underground station. Ie. for the last leg of the journey to be made by underground (at least in theory - of course I'd probably just use my oyster for this bit). How does one deduce that the Victoria Line is "permitted"? This was explained in the old "Part A" of the Fares Manual, not to be confused with Section A of the Routing Guide! http://www.atoc.org/about-atoc/rail-...routeing-guide The old Part A is also not supplied with the CD-ROM "Avantix Traveller" available for a tenner from HMSO. I've not found any evidence that it's online at all at the moment, but presumably ticket sellers have access to it in some form. The friendliest ticket seller I found was the one at Meldreth station (but be quick, there are plans to turn it, and many similar, into unmanned stations). Going OT, FCC have been quoted in the local rag that they do not intend to follow McNulty's recommendation regarding destaffing stations. Four stations on the GN line had been proposed for destaffing, namely Arlesey, Sandy, Ashwell and Morden and Meldreth. Anyway, here's an extract from Part A of Jan 2008 (NFM98 for the geeks) which was the last published in that form online, afaict. "Ticket prices in Section C, for journeys routed for travel ’via London’ and marked with the symbol + include the cost of transfer across London by London Underground, DLR or First Capital Connect train services on the Thameslink route. Tickets displaying the ’cross-London’ marker â€*, are valid for travel between any two of the following stations appropriate to the route of the through rail journey being made. Â*Aldgate Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Finsbury Park Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Queens Park Â*Amersham Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Greenwich Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Richmond Â*Baker Street Â* Â* Â* Â* Highbury & Islington Â* Â* Â*Seven Sisters Â*Balham Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Kensington Olympia Â* Â* Â* Â*Southwark Â*Bank Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Kentish Town Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Stratford Â*Barking Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*King’s Cross/St Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Tottenham Hale Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Pancras Â*Blackfriars Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Lancaster Gate Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Tower Hill Â*Blackhorse Road Â* Â* Â*Lewisham Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Upminster Â*Cannon Street Â* Â* Â* Â*Limehouse Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Vauxhall Â*Charing Cross Â* Â* Â* Â*Liverpool Street Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Victoria Â*Ealing Broadway Â* Â* Â*London Bridge Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Walthamstow Ctl Â*Edgware Road Â* Â* Â* Â* Marylebone Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Waterloo Â*Elephant & Castle Â* Â*Moorgate Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*West Brompton Â*Embankment Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* New Cross Gate Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*West Ham Â*Euston Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Old Street Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*West Hampstead Â*Euston Square Â* Â* Â* Â*Paddington Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Wimbledon Â*Farringdon Am I right in thinking that because there's a ticket via CBG it must be "Any Permitted"? There are two options from Finsbury Park to Cambridge: +London[1] and Not-London. Any Permitted just means you can use either/both. The "Not London" is also sold separately, of course. [1] Where the + means "including underground transfers. -- Roland Perry Thanks for finding the reference. I have an old paper NFM which I have kept for historical interest, which was my original source of info. |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
On Oct 2, 8:33*am, Roland Perry wrote:
Anyway, here's an extract from Part A of Jan 2008 (NFM98 for the geeks) which was the last published in that form online, afaict. It seems the current version of this information is at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
In message
, at 07:59:23 on Sun, 2 Oct 2011, "John @ home" remarked: Anyway, here's an extract from Part A of Jan 2008 (NFM98 for the geeks) which was the last published in that form online, afaict. It seems the current version of this information is at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect Hurrah! Thanks for finding that. And it's written in a reasonably accessible style as well. The later part about "London Terminals" is even better. -- Roland Perry |
ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
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ticket from Shelford to Finsbury Park
In message , at
16:43:00 on Sun, 2 Oct 2011, Paul Cummins remarked: Today's routing guide says the only map to use for such a ticket is EE (initially I suppose it may have said WA[1]), which reveals just two mapped routes (which are also direct trains, so the map isn't adding anything) to Kings Cross and Moorgate. So how does one get to Liverpool Street? On a Finsbury Park to London Terminals ticket? Not at all, I presume. (Other than "Moorgate and walk a hundred yards") See the quite good wording signposted earlier: "Tickets issued for travel to/from London usually show 'London Terminals' as the destination/origin rather than naming a specific station. This is because the ticket is valid to more than one London Terminal station provided it’s on any reasonable line of route. Tickets can only be used on National Rail services. For example, a ticket from Brighton to London Terminals is valid to Victoria, Waterloo (changing at Clapham Junction), London Bridge, Blackfriars and City Thameslink or Charing Cross Waterloo East or Cannon Street (changing at London Bridge). It would not be valid to, for example, London Euston or Paddington as this would not be on the line of route and would involve crossing London using another mode of transport." -- Roland Perry |
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