Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strian-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

In message , d
writes
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ree-pedestrian
-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

This was discussed on London local radio station LBC's phone-in at
around 9am. The traffic will be stopped every 90 seconds, regardless
whether anyone wants to cross or not.

The first caller was a rabbi from (I think) Finchley. He thought the
whole idea was nuts. He himself observed the Shabat tradition of not
using things mechanical and electrical - and this indeed did cause him
problems when using pedestrian controlled crossings. His solution was to
wait until someone else pressed the button or, if there was a gap in the
traffic, crossed anyway. His compromise solution was that the gaps
between the crossing times could be made much longer - up to four or
five minute.
--
Ian

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

wrote in message
...
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strian-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number
of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

wrote in message
...
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strian-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number
of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

This idea stinks. No-one should foist their religion on other non-believers
by expecting special treatment from the law. If they *choose* not to press
buttons to permit them to cross the road, then it's very simple: they
*choose* not to be able to cross the road safely.

Anyone who puts religion *before* day-to-day living, and chooses to let it
rule their lives is a nutter. For me, religion is a servant, not a master.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:15:25 +0100
"Mortimer" wrote:
This idea stinks. No-one should foist their religion on other non-believers
by expecting special treatment from the law. If they *choose* not to press
buttons to permit them to cross the road, then it's very simple: they
*choose* not to be able to cross the road safely.

Anyone who puts religion *before* day-to-day living, and chooses to let it
rule their lives is a nutter. For me, religion is a servant, not a master.

Yup. The way a lot of religious people talk you'd think they were being forced
to observe whatever silly rules or laws they adhere to rather than it being
a matter of choice on their part. And as you say , if they choose to stick
to these rules for whatever reason there's no reason other people should be
inconvenienced because of it. But then try telling that to whatever tree
hugging right-on liberal dreamed up this idiocy.

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

In message om, at
11:02:31 on Mon, 3 Oct 2011, GT remarked:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

It depends how strict they are about "using" (or whatever the exact
wording is) - I know of some who won't drive a car, but are happy to be
given a lift by someone else, for example.
--
Roland Perry

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Oct 3, 11:02*am, "GT" wrote:


This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Oct 3, 11:15*am, "Mortimer" wrote:


Anyone who puts religion *before* day-to-day living, and chooses to let it
rule their lives is a nutter. For me, religion is a servant, not a master..

For me religion is a delusion.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

I think they're not supposed to *cause* work to be done, but can take
advantage of things that are happening anyway.

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like
me pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it. Apparently it's OK for non-Jews to cause work to be
done that benefits Jews, but not for those same Jews to cause it.

Similarly, there was a card in the room which let you tell them if you
wanted the room light left on -- it was apparently OK for the orthodox
guests to take advantage of electric light, but not to switch it on
during the Shabbat itself. There are several other strange examples like
that in Jerusalem.

It's worth pointing out that even in Israel, only a minority of Jewish
citizens take their religion to these extreme lengths. But the
extremists are very intolerant. They block the streets in their areas to
stop anyone else driving through on the Shabbat, and I was told they are
liable to chuck stones at cars that attempt to get in. They take a
particularly dim view of other Jews breaking this rule -- they don't
care what gentiles do.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

"NM" wrote in message

On Oct 3, 11:02 am, "GT" wrote:


This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:59:29 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like
me pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it. Apparently it's OK for non-Jews to cause work to be
done that benefits Jews, but not for those same Jews to cause it.

So in other words they've come up with a get out clause to get around the
smallprint in some rule no one is forcing them to follow in the first
place. The ****wittedness of humanity knows no bounds.

It's worth pointing out that even in Israel, only a minority of Jewish
citizens take their religion to these extreme lengths. But the
extremists are very intolerant. They block the streets in their areas to

Extremists by definition are intolerant whatever group or cause they belong to.
I think most of them have borderline personality disorders TBH.

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:06:24 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strian-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

There's no such thing as an "ordinary jew". They're all irrational,
hysterical ragheads. And Transport for London is sucking their
rectums.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:09:04 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

Yup. Jehovahs witnesses are evil scum. End of.

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100, "GT" lied:

wrote in message
...
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strian-crossin
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...every-90-secs/

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number
of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Your ignorance is showing again, liar. You don't understand the jew
sabbath laws. They are not allowed to *initiate* the use of
electricity.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:23:06 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

It's horse****. They can't stop electricity being used around them
but the jew sabbath laws prevent them from initiating it by, for
example, flicking a light switch. Entering a dark room with movement
sensors which activate lights is kosher.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Oct 3, 12:09*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"NM" wrote in message



On Oct 3, 11:02 am, "GT" wrote:

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? * * * *I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. *:-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? *Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Neill

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:15:00 -0400
The Revd wrote:
There's no such thing as an "ordinary jew". They're all irrational,

Ah, nothing like a nice bit of irony to cheer up a dull monday. :)

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:09:04 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

Yup. Jehovahs witnesses are evil scum. End of.

I'd like to see JWs charged and convicted of murder or manslaughter if the
child dies, and negligence or child abuse if it survives, in this case. Why
should doctors have to jump through hoops (using non-blood substitutes) if
parents refuse treatment? Refusing treatment for yourself is fair enough,
but
foisting that on someone that you are responsible for is very different.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
neill wrote:
I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Its all how many fairies on the head of a pin really isn't it.

B2003

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Oct 3, 10:06*am, wrote:
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-free-pedestr...
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...be-held-every-...

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

I'm having a 'senior moment', although living for years in London I
cannot place Henley's corner, tried google maps but they think it's in
Canada, I remember junction A406 and A5 as Staples Corner (there used
to be a mattress factory there) Is it the junction at Stonebridge Park
just on the other side of the tracks from the Ace Cafe? if so where
was the Henleys (I presume Garage)?

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:29:11 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:15:00 -0400
The Revd wrote:
There's no such thing as an "ordinary jew". They're all irrational,

Ah, nothing like a nice bit of irony to cheer up a dull monday. :)

Dull Monday? I thought you dickheads were having a heat wave over
there.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
NM wrote:
I'm having a 'senior moment', although living for years in London I
cannot place Henley's corner, tried google maps but they think it's in
Canada, I remember junction A406 and A5 as Staples Corner (there used
to be a mattress factory there) Is it the junction at Stonebridge Park
just on the other side of the tracks from the Ace Cafe? if so where
was the Henleys (I presume Garage)?

http://g.co/maps/4g944

No idea where the name came from.

B2003

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:59:29 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote:

wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

I think they're not supposed to *cause* work to be done, but can take
advantage of things that are happening anyway.

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like
me pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it. Apparently it's OK for non-Jews to cause work to be
done that benefits Jews, but not for those same Jews to cause it.

It's even OK to employ a "shabbos goy" to do things which they aren't
themselves allowed to do.

And, of course, the use of technology to circumvent the spirit of the
law while keeping to the letter of the law is also OK, as in the use
of ovens with 'shabbos' settings.

When all else fails, they set up an "eruv" like the one in Golders
Green where all kinds of shabbos violations are permissible within its
borders.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

In message
, NM
writes
On Oct 3, 11:15*am, "Mortimer" wrote:


Anyone who puts religion *before* day-to-day living, and chooses to let it
rule their lives is a nutter. For me, religion is a servant, not a master.

For me religion is a delusion.

And for some delusion is a religion.
--
Bill

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"The Revd" wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:59:29 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote:

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday
night, headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a
crowd of people waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button,
they were happy to join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs
an all-floors stopping service on the Shabbat, but the others work
normally. If a non-Jew like me pressed the button for one of those
lifts, they had no trouble taking advantage of it. Apparently it's
OK for non-Jews to cause work to be done that benefits Jews, but not
for those same Jews to cause it.

It's even OK to employ a "shabbos goy" to do things which they aren't
themselves allowed to do.

Yes, I gather they employ Christian Palestinians in Jerusalem for such
tasks.

And, of course, the use of technology to circumvent the spirit of the
law while keeping to the letter of the law is also OK, as in the use
of ovens with 'shabbos' settings.

Yes, I was told about such devices -- eg, food warmers in hospitals
which are plugged into electrical sockets which periodically switch off
for a minute or so during the Shabbat. It's apparently OK to plug them
in when the light's off, knowing that it'll come on shortly to keep the
food warm. It seemed completely ridiculous.


When all else fails, they set up an "eruv" like the one in Golders
Green where all kinds of shabbos violations are permissible within its
borders.

I suppose it's much like playing a computer game -- one group comes up
with a set of bizarre, invented rules, that others then try to outsmart.
But they shouldn't be allowed to inflict their fantasies on others.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On Oct 3, 12:54*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:44:55 -0700 (PDT)

NM wrote:
I'm having a 'senior moment', although living for years in London I
cannot place Henley's corner, tried google maps but they think it's in
Canada, I remember junction A406 and A5 as Staples Corner (there used
to be a mattress factory there) Is it the junction at Stonebridge Park
just on the other side of the tracks from the Ace Cafe? if so where
was the Henleys (I presume Garage)?

http://g.co/maps/4g944

No idea where the name came from.

B2003

Thank you, all slipped back into place now, there was a garage on the
corner part of the Henleys chain, they may be still going, the last
one I remember was in Camden but I think that's now a supermarket.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

On 03/10/2011 12:23, neill wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:09 pm, wrote:
wrote in message



On Oct 3, 11:02 am, wrote:

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Another silly thing is these instructions are "fences around the law" -
they're there to prevent you getting close to breaking the actual rules.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

I think they're not supposed to *cause* work to be done, but can take
advantage of things that are happening anyway.

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like me
pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it.

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a floor!!
I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

Henleys corner crossing - someone tell me this is a joke
 

GT wrote:

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a
floor!! I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

LOL, stylish. ;)

--
Paul - xxx

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In message
, NM
writes

Thank you, all slipped back into place now, there was a garage on the
corner part of the Henleys chain, they may be still going

Demolished many years ago. Here's the site pictured in 2006:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/187660

--
Paul Terry

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In message
..com of Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:44:55 in uk.transport.london, NM
writes
On Oct 3, 10:06*am, wrote:
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-free-pedestr...
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...be-held-every-...

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

I'm having a 'senior moment', although living for years in London I
cannot place Henley's corner, tried google maps but they think it's in
Canada, I remember junction A406 and A5 as Staples Corner (there used
to be a mattress factory there) Is it the junction at Stonebridge Park
just on the other side of the tracks from the Ace Cafe? if so where
was the Henleys (I presume Garage)?

I believe it is more usually written as "Henlys Corner" and is a name
for the junction of the A1 (Falloden Way) and the A406 (North Circular
Road).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_road_%28London%29 has a description.

I was hoping the Jerusalem Bible would have a useful link from Luke
13:15 to the Old Testament. It only gives Ex 20:8-10 which does not make
the point developed in Luke.

While my first reaction was "cobblers", I think I am pleased that TfL is
showing commitment to London's cultural diversity. A 90 second cycle
time for the lights seems likely to be short. (Longer cycles waste
proportionately less green between different phases of the cycle.) It
probably makes sense to link signals controlling the several busy
junctions in this small, complicated, busy area. cf. http://www.scoot-
utc.com/.
--
Walter Briscoe

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In article , d ()
wrote:

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
neill wrote:
I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Its all how many fairies on the head of a pin really isn't it.

No. I think fairies are christian.

As my late father used to say to me "Thank god I'm an atheist".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:58:24 +0100, "GT" lied:

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

I think they're not supposed to *cause* work to be done, but can take
advantage of things that are happening anyway.

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like me
pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it.

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a floor!!
I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

Why, are you 'anti-semitic'®™?

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"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung
by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number
of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

While my first reaction was "cobblers", I think I am pleased that TfL is
showing commitment to London's cultural diversity.

I think differently: we shouldn't pander to *any* religious group's
oddities, whether the religion be Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Jedi or
whatever. No-one deserves special treatment to make allowances for their own
self-imposed rules.

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:24:19 +0100, Walter Briscoe
wrote:

In message
.com of Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:44:55 in uk.transport.london, NM
writes
On Oct 3, 10:06*am, wrote:
Though I heard about this on LBC this morning too so I suspect it isn't.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-free-pedestr...
g-devout-Jews-cross-road.html

http://percyweller.wordpress.com/201...be-held-every-...

I would suggest that if these religious nutters really are so hamstrung by
their interpretation of their religion they just stay inside instead of
everyone else being inconvenienced - including probably the large number of
ordinary jews that live in that area.

B2003

I'm having a 'senior moment', although living for years in London I
cannot place Henley's corner, tried google maps but they think it's in
Canada, I remember junction A406 and A5 as Staples Corner (there used
to be a mattress factory there) Is it the junction at Stonebridge Park
just on the other side of the tracks from the Ace Cafe? if so where
was the Henleys (I presume Garage)?

I believe it is more usually written as "Henlys Corner" and is a name
for the junction of the A1 (Falloden Way) and the A406 (North Circular
Road).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_road_%28London%29 has a description.

I was hoping the Jerusalem Bible would have a useful link from Luke
13:15 to the Old Testament. It only gives Ex 20:8-10 which does not make
the point developed in Luke.

While my first reaction was "cobblers", I think I am pleased that TfL is
showing commitment to London's cultural diversity.

That's just another way of saying "sucking jew rectum".

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:24:19 +0100
Walter Briscoe wrote:
While my first reaction was "cobblers", I think I am pleased that TfL is
showing commitment to London's cultural diversity.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you really believe that liberal left
garbage you just wrote. Please clarify.

A 90 second cycle time for the lights seems likely to be short.

A 90 second cycle will be 90 seconds. Which is not short for an extremely
busy junction like that.

B2003

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In message , Paul - xxx
writes
GT wrote:

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a
floor!! I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

LOL, stylish. ;)

In one Tel Aviv hotel I stayed at, there were three lifts, and on Friday
evening, some guy stuck a "Shabat Lift" notice (in Hebrew) on one of
them. It was then set on automatic, and would then go up and down,
stopping at every floor (somewhat annoying if you want to go to the
20th!). Not immediately recognising the Hebrew words, I once made the
mistake of getting into it. I also recall that breakfast on Saturday
morning left a lot to be desired.
--
Ian

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 16:06:37 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Paul - xxx
writes
GT wrote:

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a
floor!! I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

LOL, stylish. ;)

In one Tel Aviv hotel I stayed at, there were three lifts, and on Friday
evening, some guy stuck a "Shabat Lift" notice (in Hebrew) on one of
them. It was then set on automatic, and would then go up and down,
stopping at every floor (somewhat annoying if you want to go to the
20th!). Not immediately recognising the Hebrew words, I once made the
mistake of getting into it. I also recall that breakfast on Saturday
morning left a lot to be desired.

No bacon?

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"The Revd" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:58:24 +0100, "GT" lied:

"Recliner" wrote in message
.. .
wrote in message

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:02:31 +0100
"GT" wrote:
This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Good point, I hadn't thought of that!

I think they're not supposed to *cause* work to be done, but can take
advantage of things that are happening anyway.

For example, I was once in a hotel in Jerusalem and on a Friday night,
headed for the lift to go down to the lobby. I noticed a crowd of people
waiting by another lift, but once I hit the button, they were happy to
join me in 'my' lift. Apparently, one lift runs an all-floors stopping
service on the Shabbat, but the others work normally. If a non-Jew like
me
pressed the button for one of those lifts, they had no trouble taking
advantage of it.

Of course, once in the lift, none of them would be able to select a
floor!!
I'd just take the lift to the top floor and get out.

Why

To point out how rediculous superstition (religion) can be!

are you 'anti-semitic'®T?

No.