From eWatford Observer 10th November 2011
.....................
Decision on rail link due before Christmas

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/new...ore_Christmas/


The final decision on a rail project which will “change the face of
Watford and Croxley Green” is just four weeks away.

The Croxley Rail Link will connect the Metropolitan line in Croxley
Green to Watford Juction, bringing with it a regeneration scheme for
the west-end of the town.

Architectural plans given to the Watford Observer show how a colossal
rail bridge will run from Baldwins Lane in Croxley Green, past the
Harvester restaurant and over the dual carriageway.

The railway will run along Watford Road, the Grand Union canal, and
through west Watford, where two new stations will be built in Ascot
and Vicarage Roads.

Both MP for Watford Richard Harrington and mayor Dorothy Thornhill
have lobbied heavily for the £119.82 million project to go ahead.

Mr Harrington said: “I've been told it's now down to the last knocking
and we'll hear within four weeks.

“This is a major urban regeneration scheme for the poorest parts of
Watford and step towards the health campus, but it will also be for
the general benefit of Watford and I am behind it 100 percent.”

Roger Gagan, chief executive of Watford and West Herts Chamber of
Commerce, said he had his fingers crossed for the project to get the
green light.

He said: “It's important to the town that people can come into Watford
from the met line from prosperous areas like Moor Park and Harrow and
do some some shopping, without having to bring their car.

“It will help commuters by easing traffic, and means London is linked
to Watford so business people can get in and out much easier.

“It will also be good for attracting new businesses, and this will
make our excellent communication links much better.”

A three dimensional video shows the scale of new route, which is hoped
to be finished by 2016, as it winds its way from Croxley Green, along
the railway bridge and into Watford.

Barry Grant, from the Croxley Green Residents' Association, said:
“There are a lot of unanswered questions but you can't halt progress,
this has been going on for years now.

“From my perspective how it will be funded has not been adequately
explained, it is expected that a large proportion will come from the
private sector.

“Successive ideas have come and gone and the costs have spiralled, if
it's going to be built the residents of Croxley Green want to make
sure we get the best out of it.

“The face of Watford and Croxley Green will be changed by this railway
going through largely undeveloped land. I am concerned about the metal
construction which will mean more noise.

“It'll be a change for better or worse, it will certainly be striking,
and you want it to look as good as money will allow.”

Mr Grant also raised concerns about the Sea Scouts and school
buildings below the proposed site.

He added: “I'd be interested to know what is in mind for relocating
those, it will not be pleasant working under a railway flyover.”

Consulting company Mouchel will publish six new fact sheets, available
for download on November 14.

These will address feedback from consultation, a response to key
issues, an environmental assessment, funding update, the next steps
and a construction plan.

However, an email address intended to let residents register their
views is currently not working, with messages returned as
undeliverable.

Drop in sessions will be held in Explore Church, Fuller Way, Croxley
Green, on November 16, in Watford Museum on November 17, Laurence
Haines School on November 22 and Watford Grammar School on November
24.

See a fly through view of the proposed viaduct by clicking the link
below.

Related links

Watch the 3D video here

.................................................
.................................................
John Burke
WRUG

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:26:20 -0800 (PST), burkey
wrote:

From eWatford Observer 10th November 2011
....................
Decision on rail link due before Christmas

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/new...ore_Christmas/


The final decision on a rail project which will “change the face of
Watford and Croxley Green� is just four weeks away.

The Croxley Rail Link will connect the Metropolitan line in Croxley
Green to Watford Juction, bringing with it a regeneration scheme for
the west-end of the town.

Architectural plans given to the Watford Observer show how a colossal
rail bridge will run from Baldwins Lane in Croxley Green, past the
Harvester restaurant and over the dual carriageway.

The railway will run along Watford Road, the Grand Union canal, and
through west Watford, where two new stations will be built in Ascot
and Vicarage Roads.

Both MP for Watford Richard Harrington and mayor Dorothy Thornhill
have lobbied heavily for the £119.82 million project to go ahead.

Mr Harrington said: “I've been told it's now down to the last knocking
and we'll hear within four weeks.

“This is a major urban regeneration scheme for the poorest parts of
Watford and step towards the health campus, but it will also be for
the general benefit of Watford and I am behind it 100 percent.�

Roger Gagan, chief executive of Watford and West Herts Chamber of
Commerce, said he had his fingers crossed for the project to get the
green light.

He said: “It's important to the town that people can come into Watford
from the met line from prosperous areas like Moor Park and Harrow and
do some some shopping, without having to bring their car.

From Harrow ? There are already buses and railway services and the
car-using people from the parts of Harrow which are "prosperous" will
probably continue to drive just as the majority who don't live near
the Met. line will probably mostly continue to use the existing
services. "Fingers crossed" sounds about right if that is what he is
depending on.

“It will help commuters by easing traffic, and means London is linked
to Watford so business people can get in and out much easier.

There are no trains ATM between London and Watford ?

“It will also be good for attracting new businesses, and this will
make our excellent communication links much better.�

A three dimensional video shows the scale of new route, which is hoped
to be finished by 2016, as it winds its way from Croxley Green, along
the railway bridge and into Watford.

Barry Grant, from the Croxley Green Residents' Association, said:
“There are a lot of unanswered questions but you can't halt progress,
this has been going on for years now.

“From my perspective how it will be funded has not been adequately
explained, it is expected that a large proportion will come from the
private sector.

“Successive ideas have come and gone and the costs have spiralled, if
it's going to be built the residents of Croxley Green want to make
sure we get the best out of it.

“The face of Watford and Croxley Green will be changed by this railway
going through largely undeveloped land. I am concerned about the metal
construction which will mean more noise.

“It'll be a change for better or worse, it will certainly be striking,
and you want it to look as good as money will allow.�

Mr Grant also raised concerns about the Sea Scouts and school
buildings below the proposed site.

He added: “I'd be interested to know what is in mind for relocating
those, it will not be pleasant working under a railway flyover.�

Consulting company Mouchel will publish six new fact sheets, available
for download on November 14.

These will address feedback from consultation, a response to key
issues, an environmental assessment, funding update, the next steps
and a construction plan.

However, an email address intended to let residents register their
views is currently not working, with messages returned as
undeliverable.

Drop in sessions will be held in Explore Church, Fuller Way, Croxley
Green, on November 16, in Watford Museum on November 17, Laurence
Haines School on November 22 and Watford Grammar School on November
24.

See a fly through view of the proposed viaduct by clicking the link
below.

Related links

Watch the 3D video here

............................................... .
............................................... .
John Burke
WRUG

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:26:20 -0800 (PST), burkey
wrote:

The Croxley Rail Link will connect the Metropolitan line in Croxley
Green to Watford Juction, bringing with it a regeneration scheme for
the west-end of the town.



He said: â?oIt's important to the town that people can come into Watford
from the met line from prosperous areas like Moor Park and Harrow and
do some some shopping, without having to bring their car.

From Harrow ? There are already buses and railway services and the
car-using people from the parts of Harrow which are "prosperous" will
probably continue to drive just as the majority who don't live near
the Met. line will probably mostly continue to use the existing
services. "Fingers crossed" sounds about right if that is what he is
depending on.

It would have been useful last Saturday when the wires came down at Wembley,
stopping the job, especially while it took 3 hours to evacuate a Pendolino
to trackside and the DC was stopped as well.

Peter

On Nov 10, 5:26*pm, burkey wrote:
From eWatford Observer 10th November 2011
....................
Decision on rail link due before Christmas

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/new...on_rail_link_d...

The final decision on a rail project which will “change the face of
Watford and Croxley Green” is just four weeks away.

The Croxley Rail Link will connect the Metropolitan line in Croxley
Green to Watford Juction, bringing with it a regeneration scheme for
the west-end of the town.

Architectural plans given to the Watford Observer show how a colossal
rail bridge will run from Baldwins Lane in Croxley Green, past the
Harvester restaurant and over the dual carriageway.

The railway will run along Watford Road, the Grand Union canal, and
through west Watford, where two new stations will be built in Ascot
and Vicarage Roads.

Both MP for Watford Richard Harrington and mayor Dorothy Thornhill
have lobbied heavily for the £119.82 million project to go ahead.

Mr Harrington said: “I've been told it's now down to the last knocking
and we'll hear within four weeks.

“This is a major urban regeneration scheme for the poorest parts of
Watford and step towards the health campus, but it will also be for
the general benefit of Watford and I am behind it 100 percent.”

Roger Gagan, chief executive of Watford and West Herts Chamber of
Commerce, said he had his fingers crossed for the project to get the
green light.

He said: “It's important to the town that people can come into Watford
from the met line from prosperous areas like Moor Park and Harrow and
do some some shopping, without having to bring their car.

“It will help commuters by easing traffic, and means London is linked
to Watford so business people can get in and out much easier.

“It will also be good for attracting new businesses, and this will
make our excellent communication links much better.”

A three dimensional video shows the scale of new route, which is hoped
to be finished by 2016, as it winds its way from Croxley Green, along
the railway bridge and into Watford.

Barry Grant, from the Croxley Green Residents' Association, said:
“There are a lot of unanswered questions but you can't halt progress,
this has been going on for years now.

“From my perspective how it will be funded has not been adequately
explained, it is expected that a large proportion will come from the
private sector.

“Successive ideas have come and gone and the costs have spiralled, if
it's going to be built the residents of Croxley Green want to make
sure we get the best out of it.

“The face of Watford and Croxley Green will be changed by this railway
going through largely undeveloped land. I am concerned about the metal
construction which will mean more noise.

“It'll be a change for better or worse, it will certainly be striking,
and you want it to look as good as money will allow.”

Mr Grant also raised concerns about the Sea Scouts and school
buildings below the proposed site.

He added: “I'd be interested to know what is in mind for relocating
those, it will not be pleasant working under a railway flyover.”

Consulting company Mouchel will publish six new fact sheets, available
for download on November 14.

These will address feedback from consultation, a response to key
issues, an environmental assessment, funding update, the next steps
and a construction plan.

However, an email address intended to let residents register their
views is currently not working, with messages returned as
undeliverable.

Drop in sessions will be held in Explore Church, Fuller Way, Croxley
Green, on November 16, in Watford Museum on November 17, Laurence
Haines School on November 22 and Watford Grammar School on November
24.

See a fly through view of the proposed viaduct by clicking the link
below.

Related links

Watch the 3D video here

We can only hope. This "no brainer" has run and run to no avail thus
far.

On Nov 11, 12:11*am, Charles Ellson
wrote:

There are no trains ATM between London and Watford ?

What's more, people will continue to use the existing (LM) trains
because they are faster.

The main benefit of the Croxley Link is connectivity between South
Bucks (on the Met) and the WCML and vice-versa.

Neil

The main benefit of the Croxley Link is connectivity between South
Bucks (on the Met) and the WCML and vice-versa.


To that end, perhaps Overground services from Euston could reverse and
continue in an Amersham direction.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:35:12 -0800 (PST), allantracy
wrote:


The main benefit of the Croxley Link is connectivity between South
Bucks (on the Met) and the WCML and vice-versa.


To that end, perhaps Overground services from Euston could reverse and
continue in an Amersham direction.

You can't run 3rd-rail stock on the Met.

On Nov 11, 4:35*pm, allantracy wrote:
The main benefit of the Croxley Link is connectivity between South
Bucks (on the Met) and the WCML and vice-versa.

To that end, perhaps Overground services from Euston could reverse and
continue in an Amersham direction.

....now that's an interesting notion I'd never considered.

My "pet" proposal has always been an orbital route, the easiest bit of
which is Rickmansworth to St Albans (primarily requiring a dive under
at Watford and the Croxley Link), but given the dive under isn't on
the cards for an amount somewhere between never and not likely, the
concept behind splitting off the Met's Watford branch still holds a
conceptual interest.

Given that TPTB seem to want to turn the Met into a normal tube line
line with just two all-stations branches from HotH to Uxbridge/Moor
Park, then slicing off the Rickmansworth-Chesham /Amersham services
and handing them over to a service operating from Watford Junction
seems reasonable (and the LO stock already has the required ability
for operating over the 4 rail electrification), and the LO service
seems to be about the right service level for that area, with the
ability to have additional services running between Watford and
Amersham/Chesham if required. Rickmansworth would need a *lot* of work
to enable it to handle the interchanging passengers though, and
Chiltern would need to beef up their services dramatically to handle
the loads heading into London. Probably would enable them to take over
the fast lines though, leading to potential speed improvements (and
maybe OHLE).

....another great reason to have the Chiltern line to Princes
Riseborough as the 2nd western branch of Crossrail to free capacity
into Marylebone for more Birmingham and Aylesbury via Amersham
services I say

"Jamie Thompson" wrote

...another great reason to have the Chiltern line to Princes
Riseborough as the 2nd western branch of Crossrail to free capacity
into Marylebone for more Birmingham and Aylesbury via Amersham
services I say

An early Crossrail proposal involved Crossrauil taking over the Chiltern Met
Line and the Met's Amersham and Chesham services, leaving the Met with
Uxbridge and Watford, and leaving Marylebone with the Chiltern Joint Line.

IMHO there is a case for the Croxley Link to include a half-hourly service
from Watford Junction via Rickmansworth to Chesham or Amersham.

Peter

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:54:41 +0000, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:35:12 -0800 (PST), allantracy
wrote:


The main benefit of the Croxley Link is connectivity between South
Bucks (on the Met) and the WCML and vice-versa.


To that end, perhaps Overground services from Euston could reverse and
continue in an Amersham direction.

You can't run 3rd-rail stock on the Met.

Charles:

I defer to your knowledge of the infrastructure, but what would have
to be done, and how much would it cost to make this possible?

Educate me.

Regards
JonH