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Yet another lengthened journey home tonight thanks to problems with
"over sensitive" doors on the Victoria Line. Driver regularly announcing passengers to keep clear which when you've got delays in the peak is not always that easy. On this occasion the driver announced something trapped in doors of car 4, then later on, in car 3. I doubt for one minute many passengers in the middle of a train would know which car they are in the first place. From what I gather 1 is the front, 8 at the rear. So as they aren't numbered within the cars, what is the point of announcing a specific car number? (Thinking about it they could incorporate the car number into the display inside, Southern manage to on class 377s) -- Phil Richards http://www.flickr.com/photos/philstephenrichards |
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On Nov 23, 9:17*pm, Phil Richards
wrote: Yet another lengthened journey home tonight thanks to problems with "over sensitive" doors on the Victoria Line. [...] FWIW there was also a "person under a train incident" on the Vic line (at Euston?) this evening which obviously led to delays and disruption. |
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On 23/11/2011 23:57, Mizter T wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:17 pm, Phil wrote: Yet another lengthened journey home tonight thanks to problems with "over sensitive" doors on the Victoria Line. [...] FWIW there was also a "person under a train incident" on the Vic line (at Euston?) this evening which obviously led to delays and disruption. Thanks, I know all that - there were notices and announcements to the effect. I've still put in for a delay claim most of which was attributed to the "sensitive door" faff we endured at at least three stations. -- Phil Richards http://www.flickr.com/photos/philstephenrichards |
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I too was caught up in the Victoria Line chaos last night. My journey
was from Wimbledon to New Barnet - train to Vauxhall, VL to Highbury then train to New Barnet. Made it as far as Pimlico, when the VL train stopped interminably in the platform. I crossed over, got a s/b train to Stockwell, Northern line to Moorgate then train home, arriving about 40 minutes late. Don't know what happened, but if it was a 'person under a train' then for once I don't blame TfL. But why could the disruption not have been announced on the South Eastern train at Vauxhall? After all, lots of people make the same interchange, and staff at Vauxhall must have known what was going on. Then I could have stayed on the train to Waterloo and avoided the VL altogether. A bit of joined up thinking is all it needs - is that too much to ask of our fragmented transport system? Peter |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:56:47 -0800 (PST)
peter wrote: Don't know what happened, but if it was a 'person under a train' then for once I don't blame TfL. But why could the disruption not have been announced on the South Eastern train at Vauxhall? After all, lots You'll be lucky. Half the time they don't even announce the disruption on other tube lines and you'll still hear that moronic "There is a good service on all london underground lines" automated announcement which I can only presume they keep playing in the vain hope that'll it'll brainwash the masses into believing it. A bit of joined up thinking is all it needs - is that too much to ask of our fragmented transport system? Unfortunately yes. B2003 |
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"Phil Richards" wrote in message ... Yet another lengthened journey home tonight thanks to problems with "over sensitive" doors on the Victoria Line. Driver regularly announcing passengers to keep clear which when you've got delays in the peak is not always that easy. On this occasion the driver announced something trapped in doors of car 4, then later on, in car 3. I doubt for one minute many passengers in the middle of a train would know which car they are in the first place. From what I gather 1 is the front, 8 at the rear. The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a shambles. John |
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"peter" wrote Don't know what happened, but if it was a 'person under a train' then for once I don't blame TfL. But why could the disruption not have been announced on the South Eastern train at Vauxhall? Perhaps because Southeastern don't go to Vauxhall. ;-) Peter |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000
"John C" wrote: The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a shambles. Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front. That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right about this one. B2003 |
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On Nov 24, 10:37*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"peter" wrote Don't know what happened, but if it was a 'person under a train' then for once I don't blame TfL. *But why could the disruption not have been announced on the South Eastern train at Vauxhall? Perhaps because Southeastern don't go to Vauxhall. *;-) Peter My mistake. I meant, of course, South Western. But then I still think of it all as Southern Region. Peter |
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On Nov 24, 8:56*am, peter wrote:
I too was caught up in the Victoria Line chaos last night. My journey was from Wimbledon to New Barnet - train to Vauxhall, VL to Highbury then train to New Barnet. Made it as far as Pimlico, when the VL train stopped interminably in the platform. *I crossed over, got a s/b train to Stockwell, Northern line to Moorgate then train home, arriving about 40 minutes late. Don't know what happened, but if it was a 'person under a train' then for once I don't blame TfL. *But why could the disruption not have been announced on the South Eastern train at Vauxhall? Because South Eastern trains don't go to Vauxhall. After all, lots of people make the same interchange, and staff at Vauxhall must have known what was going on. Then I could have stayed on the train to Waterloo and avoided the VL altogether. A bit of joined up thinking is all it needs - is that too much to ask of our fragmented transport system? Peter |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:08:33 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:23:25 +0000 Walter Briscoe wrote: In message of Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:47:40 in uk.transport.london, d writes On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000 "John C" wrote: The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a shambles. Agreed. This morning about 845, I was on a Central Line train which juddered to a halt approaching Bethnal Green. "Please don't lean on the doors" soon followed from the driver. Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front. That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right When did Boltar last do Bank - Canary Wharf at 0830? 2001. Is it as rammed as the tube now? In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground drivers. Why doesn't that susprise me - get paid more for doing lessĀ. Like bosses sitting in the office while others do the sweating ? I can see why LU want to get shot of them altogether. The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium. Why? Any savings should go into reduced ticket prices for passengers, not higher wages for the lazy ****s at the front. B2003 |
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Walter Briscoe wrote:
In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground drivers. The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium. They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment? Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic? Or was the premium demanded because of the 'white collar' responsibilities of operating (basically) a big computer, in a time before mass computing? Chris |
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"Chris Read" wrote They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment? Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic? No. Peter |
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peter wrote
Perhaps because Southeastern don't go to Vauxhall. *;-) My mistake. I meant, of course, South Western. But then I still think of it all as Southern Region. Theoretically an announcement and/or display could have been made on the SWT train, on Vauxhall NR or on Vauxhall LT but since the last didn't happen or was ineffective in changing behavior (since you got as far as Pimlico) the chances of getting an effective message to those outside TfL seems small. -- Mike D |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:40:32 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: Why doesn't that susprise me - get paid more for doing lessĀ. Like bosses sitting in the office while others do the sweating ? Since when did a tube driver ever sweat? They sit on their arse all day and push a couple of buttons for 45K. Yeah, tough job! B2003 |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:45:24 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:40:32 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: Why doesn't that susprise me - get paid more for doing lessĀ. Like bosses sitting in the office while others do the sweating ? Since when did a tube driver ever sweat? They sit on their arse all day and push a couple of buttons for 45K. Yeah, tough job! You are speaking from personal experience ? |
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In message , Chris Read
writes They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment? Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic? The premium was paid because guards were done away with on the Vic. from the outset. -- Clive |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in news:01ccaafd$03acb600
$LocalHost@default: Theoretically an announcement and/or display could have been made on the SWT train, on Vauxhall NR or on Vauxhall LT but since the last didn't happen or was ineffective in changing behavior (since you got as far as Pimlico) the chances of getting an effective message to those outside TfL seems small. In my experience, if there is disruption on the Victoria Line it is very common for there to be an announcement on the platform at Vauxhall as trains arrive, and there are also sometimes announcements on the trains. It takes a good 5 minutes to get from a SWT train to the Underground at Vauxhall, and probably several minutes for the control room to assess an incident, to decide whether it merits an announcement and to pass the information to whoever makes the announcement, so I think it is inevitable that the flow of passengers can't be stopped instantly. Peter CS |
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The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a shambles. John Completely agree!!! It happens so often, I can hardly keep up with the claims Even the "drivers" are getting the hump with it all now, judging by some of the comments I've heard in announcements |
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