I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Does anyone have a Bradshaw and can check for me?

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
-- Hanlon's Razor

Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
-- Richard Bos's corollary

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:02:15 +0000
David Cantrell wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Are you for real?

B2003

On Dec 9, 11:02*am, David Cantrell wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. *He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. *I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? *I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Does anyone have a Bradshaw and can check for me?

--
David Cantrell |http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
* * -- Hanlon's Razor

Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
* * -- Richard Bos's corollary

There is a service from Wimbledon to London Bridge, at least at
weekends.

The FCC service via the Sutton loop goes from Wimbledon to Haydons
Road, Tooting, Streatham, Tulse Hill, Herne Hill and thence to London
Bridge.

In message , at 11:02:15
on Fri, 9 Dec 2011, David Cantrell remarked:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Wimbledon to Blackfriars exists, via Tulse Hill (it used to terminate at
Holborn Viaduct). I don't see why there might not have been a similar
service going via Peckham Rye to LB. Or even a loop train via Sutton and
Croydon.
--
Roland Perry

[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Does anyone have a Bradshaw and can check for me?

On 09/12/2011 12:17, Mizter T wrote:
[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk"
by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his
homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London
Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service
existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in
Wimbledon there certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct which
called at London Bridge and Blackfriars - this was before the
'Thameslink' service was developed, of course.

Charlie

On Dec 9, 11:02*am, David Cantrell wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. *He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. *I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? *I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Does anyone have a Bradshaw and can check for me?

--
David Cantrell |http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
* * -- Hanlon's Razor

Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
* * -- Richard Bos's corollary

I don't know about 1890, but in the April 1910 Bradshaw there is a
regular service from London Bridge to Wimbledon (about one an hour) by
the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway.
The route is the current (weekend) one, via Tulse Hill and Streatham.

Some trains go on to Sutton and Epsom (via Mitcham Junction - the
current (Thameslink) line wasn't open then).

--
Peter

"David Cantrell" wrote in message
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I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

National newspaper reviews of the book have been excellent, including The
Guardian, which said "So, all of the elements are the the data, the data,
the data. Nothing of consequence overlooked. And yet can Horowitz, like
Holmes, make from these drops of water the possibilities of an Atlantic or a
Niagara? Can he astonish us? Can he thrill us? Are there "the rapid
deductions, as swift as intuitions, and yet always founded on a logical
basis" that we yearn for? Emphatically, yes."

Not sure in which publication(s) your review will appear, David, but I
share, in the context of the entire novel, the nationals' lack of concern
for the minutiae of 1890s rail travel!

Ian

"Charlie Hulme" wrote in message
...
On 09/12/2011 12:17, Mizter T wrote:
[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk"
by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his
homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London
Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service
existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in Wimbledon there
certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct which called at London Bridge
and Blackfriars - this was before the 'Thameslink' service was developed,
of course.

I doubt it. After the July 1967 SR timetable revision there certainly was a
service that connected Wimbledon with London Bridge, Blackfriars and Holborn
Viaduct, but the routing was London Bridge - Forest Hill - West Croydon -
Sutton - Wimbledon - Tooting - Tulse Hill - Herne Hill - Blackfriars -
Holborn Viaduct. This would not have been possible in 1890, as the
Wimbledon - Sutton line didn't open until 1930. Before Thameslink there were
very few passenger trains which used the spur from London Bridge to
Blackfriars, typically in the 1960s only the 0417 Orpington to Holborn
Viaduct, the 0100 Holborn Viaduct to Orpington, and at one time the 0255
Holborn Viaduct to Ramsgate Passenger and News.

However, as to the OP's question, the answer is quite possibly. In 1904
there was a 6.15 pm from London Bridge to Wimbledon via Peckham Rye, Tulse
Hill and Tooting. The lione from Streatham Junction to Wimbledon (both the
current route via Haydons Road and the abandoned route via Merton Abbey) was
the joint property of the LBSCR and LSWR.

Peter

Paul wrote on 09 December 2011 11:26:53 ...
On Dec 9, 11:02 am, David wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk" by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

Certainly there is no such service now, and while the route was
*possible* (Wimbledon to Clapham Junction then onto the inner South
London Line and thence to London Bridge via Peckham Rye) I can't see
why it would exist, given that Wimbledon to Waterloo is so much shorter
and quicker, and Waterloo is so close to London Bridge anyway.

Does anyone have a Bradshaw and can check for me?

There is a service from Wimbledon to London Bridge, at least at
weekends.

The FCC service via the Sutton loop goes from Wimbledon to Haydons
Road, Tooting, Streatham, Tulse Hill, Herne Hill and thence to London
Bridge.

There is no direct route from Herne Hill northbound to London Bridge.
You mean Wimbledon, ..., Tulse Hill and thence to London Bridge.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)