On 27/12/2011 14:58, wrote:
On Dec 26, 11:10 pm, Neil wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:43:18 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Are London buses exact fare?

No, though in London it is "buy before you board" in the central
area. But most use Oyster anyway.

So outside the central area the bus drivers will still make change in
London and other English cities?

But bus drivers will also make change in central London. Yes, I have
gotten change on the Isle of Wight and in Scotland on local busses.

In message , at 18:59:48 on Tue,
27 Dec 2011, " remarked:
Are London buses exact fare?

No, though in London it is "buy before you board" in the central
area. But most use Oyster anyway.

So outside the central area the bus drivers will still make change in
London and other English cities?

But bus drivers will also make change in central London. Yes, I have
gotten change on the Isle of Wight and in Scotland on local busses.

In Nottingham the City's own buses don't give change, but the various
privately owned competitors do.
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Roland Perry

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:57:03 +0000, wrote:

I actually just noticed a driver issuing an unpaid fare notice at White
City on Monday, though I am not sure of the reason.

In my experience, however, if the driver is not able to give change,
then that is just tough luck.

As in get off my bus?

The Big Red Book advises on page 48:

What if a passenger offers payment and you don¡¦t have
enough change

¡E You could ask if another passenger can
help with change, but you don¡¦t have to
¡E If another passenger can¡¦t help, let the
passenger travel and issue an Unpaid Fare
Notice (UFN)

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...%20version.pdf

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jhk

Do busses in Westchester County still accept dollar bills?

As in the famous play Westchester Furioso?

On 12/27/2011 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Dec 27, 12:38 pm,
wrote:

I don't know about NYC, but in Phila, initially the driver could punch
a refund slip if a passenger overpaid. The slip could be cashed in at
the local bus garages. Obviously punching up a slip took time and
passengers arguing with the driver over change took time.

Could they not have also used it as partial fare payment?

No, they could only be redeemed.

At some point after the cutover, the fare refund slips were
discontinued. Apparently people accepted exact fare by that point and
were used to it. Also, SEPTA resumed selling token-packets at a
discount; and started selling passcards, so for regular riders, exact
fare wasn't an issue.

SEPTA, unlike NYC, accepts dollar bills on its buses. I don't know
why NYC's fareboxes aren't set up to handle that.

Because it's time consuming and a pain in the ass. Dropping change in
is easy and you can use dollar coins - though I suppose the downside to
dollar coins is about the only place I can readily find them is in
transit vending machines.

But unfortunately, in NYC and in Phila, bus drivers have been
assaulted, even killed, by nutcases for oddball reasons, such as a
dispute of a transfer or just because someone was agitated and wanted
to stab another person.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:09:56 -0500, Bolwerk wrote:

On 12/27/2011 1:00 PM, wrote:

SEPTA, unlike NYC, accepts dollar bills on its buses. I don't know
why NYC's fareboxes aren't set up to handle that.

Because it's time consuming and a pain in the ass. Dropping change in
is easy and you can use dollar coins - though I suppose the downside to
dollar coins is about the only place I can readily find them is in
transit vending machines.

I'm amazed you still use one dollar bills. Why haven't they been phased
out?

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jhk

On 27/12/2011 22:20, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:09:56 -0500, Bolwerk wrote:

On 12/27/2011 1:00 PM, wrote:

SEPTA, unlike NYC, accepts dollar bills on its buses. I don't know
why NYC's fareboxes aren't set up to handle that.

Because it's time consuming and a pain in the ass. Dropping change in
is easy and you can use dollar coins - though I suppose the downside to
dollar coins is about the only place I can readily find them is in
transit vending machines.

I'm amazed you still use one dollar bills. Why haven't they been phased
out?

A number of reasons, I have read. One is the reluctance by the US public
to accept them. Another is the fact that the unions representing workers
who print dollars are very strong and they would not take so well to the
the dollar note's elimination.

Another one, so I have heard, is psychological. The symbol of the
one-dollar bill itself represents one of the world's most powerful
currencies. Take that away, and what have you got.

It might be worth mentioning that they still have a one-pound note in
Scotland, the Bailiwick of Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man, though
I can't remember if they still have one in Northern Ireland. They are
all part of the Sterling zone.

On 27/12/2011 20:00, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:57:03 +0000, wrote:

I actually just noticed a driver issuing an unpaid fare notice at White
City on Monday, though I am not sure of the reason.

In my experience, however, if the driver is not able to give change,
then that is just tough luck.

As in get off my bus?

No, it clearly wasn't for fare evasion of any sort. I believe that she
had offered payment to ride, but the driver wasn't able to accept it for
whatever reason. Thus, he wrote up the unpaid fare notice.

Might be worth mentioning that the driver was sitting in his cab and it
was also at a major hub when he did this.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:00:55 -0800 (PST), wrote:
SEPTA, unlike NYC, accepts dollar bills on its buses. I don't know
why NYC's fareboxes aren't set up to handle that.

The US could really, really do with $1, $2 and $5 coins for this sort
of purpose. I genuinely do not understand why people are so
resistant.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:00:52 +0100, Jarle H Knudsen
wrote:
As in get off my bus?

That would be a common approach outside London.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK